Miami Heat vs Atlanta Hawks Tuesday 7:30PM

[QUIZ]

Your right. I just think it's weird so many heat fans are turning on Dragic so quick when he's the best PG this franchise has had in a long time.

I guess some heat fans want to go back to the Carlos Arroyo days maybe...

They're just scared. Dragic hasn't built up the same trust that guys like Wade and Bosh have. We don't know Dragic well enough. People were freaking out about Whiteside too after his awful first game but he shut them up real quick after having two huge nights in a row.

Dragic just needs to string together a good game or two and people will come around.

Last year Dragic had 11pts in his debut game and people were both worried and underwhelmed but then he went on to drop 23pts 10asts in the next one and he started winning people over. I think Dragic will be fine it'll just take some time.

[DayofMourning]

Your right. I just think it's weird so many heat fans are turning on Dragic so quick when he's the best PG this franchise has had in a long time.

I guess some heat fans want to go back to the Carlos Arroyo days maybe...

It's nothing against Dragic. It's "the sky is falling" plague, and every board has it's fair share of chicken littles.

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

This board right now is like 35% panic, 25% calm down it's just game 4, 20% fire spo, 15% **** chalmers, and 5% others

I love you guys

[Heat_Fan_87]

Everyone banging on Dragic but the truth of the matter is the coaching staff does not know how to utilize him. Nobody wants to run in that starting lineup and he is surrounded by no shooters. Dragic works well at the top of the key in space. We saw it in glimpses last year with all the injuries.

It's not the coaching staff. We dont have a young starting lineup that can run. wade bosh and deng are all over 30. This one is going to be on riley way overspending(i dont care about the money, the 2 firsts piss me off) for a guy that is not a good fit.

[quinninin]

My take aways

Bosh - looks rusty second game in a row he came out shooting cold.

Rotations- Spo should take a page out of the spurs/hawks playbook and sub starters out earlier, vs go with a 4 bench player lineup and one starter.

The game got away when we had a TJ, Mario, Justise, McRoberts and Bosh lineup. Since Bosh wasnt hitting his shots this lineup was super ineffective on the offensive end. Maybe would like to see Gerald Green in this lineup for Mario if Bosh isnt hitting his shots, as we need to get offense from somewhere else.

Positives-
Loved Whiteside's game.

Thought Dwade attacked Korver, which you have to do vs the hawks.

Also the fight was good to see, and as this team gels understands it pieces I think we have positive things ahead.

Also 2-2 both losses to the top 2 teams in the east last year, def not the end of the world.

[caliban]

Not too upset about this loss. Hawks is a very good and well coached team that's been together for awhile. Thought we lacked some energy but other then that we had enough looks to win without the offense working smoothly. Spo is still working out a rotation while the franchise is showcasing Chalmers. The situation makes us stumble a bit more then necessary but it will work it self out.

The question from the start was always if we're the 40 win team everyone projected or closer to the 50 win team we hope? After losses to Cavs and Hawks who in all likelihood is better then us, who's to say? but for a intriguing seasonal outcome, I think the positives by far has outweigh the negatives 4 games in. Answers we've got: Hassan was no fluke and is fantastic while still having things to correct, Wade looks better then in 3 years, Bosh, outside of missing some shots, looks energized and even rebounds/blocks the ball! Winslow looks promising and the first thing for a rookie on a team trying to win games is to stay on the court aka be a net positive player and grasp the defensive principles, check.

While the outside basketball world is starting to realize who Hassan is we're just staring to get to know Tyler Johnson who we also found on the back alleys. A two way guard that should play 20 min a game on this team. Just need to free up some minutes, see Chalmers. Green is not the best all around player but we need shooting and he compliments Winslow and Tyler well of the bench and it would surprise me if this doesn't get sorted out for the better.

Trouble ahead? Big-man rotation, it looks awfully thin after our two main guys and right now Spo prefers to play Hassan/Bosh as the C's and have Winslow/Deng as PF's. I don't blame him. It's been a little ugly on this front to start off the season and we'll need options here for the long haul.

Statue should never ever play on this team. Hassan, Bosh, McR, Bird, Winslow, Deng are all better at both the PF and C, Bird still works fine with Bosh in a pinch but not with Hassan, best as a 4th option, that leaves McRoberts. I think he's been pretty good defensively actually put offensively it been a disaster and it's hard to say why. Ball sticks and he seems to lack confidence right now. My guess is that he will find his footing when the rotation is worked out and he feels more comfortable. He's not this bad and the track record points to that. Still, it's a bit concerning.

on to the next one.

[TMIMITW]

Here is my take,
We could have easily won the game......

WADE missed most the 4th quarter
Spo was hesitant to put Whiteside in because of the bench energy
If Green was in the game it would have been a complete different outcome.

Yes our starters need work and chemistry they have only played 4 regular season games together. The Hawks and Cavs were the two best teams in the East... The Rockets were the 2nd.

We are doing fine. How many blow outs and or 10 pt games did we win last year....Hell even with LeBron it seemed like every game was close

[Heat_team02]

Wade as the Point Guard did Ok last season + posting up.

[Sign5]

Here is my take,
We could have easily won the game......

WADE missed most the 4th quarter
Spo was hesitant to put Whiteside in because of the bench energy
If Green was in the game it would have been a complete different outcome.

Yes our starters need work and chemistry they have only played 4 regular season games together. The Hawks and Cavs were the two best teams in the East... The Rockets were the 2nd.

We are doing fine. How many blow outs and or 10 pt games did we win last year....Hell even with LeBron it seemed like every game was close

And that's why Spo's an idiot, you don't keep the guy who only missed one shot and blocked 4 shots prior on the bench.

[TroubleS0me]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4N5sI27PAs[/youtube]

[cyclix]

Whiteside could've had a 30-20 game yesterday if it wasn't for Spo's *****-***. If Whiteside stays in Miami, it's going to be because of Wade and/or Riley. He knows his value, and I don't think he has any genuine respect for any player or team personnel on the Heat except for Riley and Wade because both are ATG level types. I'll probably throw Zo in there also.

Just make this team more Whiteside-centric. Drummond is averaging 39 minutes per game and taking 16 shots. Why can't Whiteside, who is a similarly talented player do the same? This team would be better off. We all love to clown Whiteside for his passing but you don't think if you give him plenty of touches he will pass more? Dude is shooting 76.3% he should be having the ball on every possession! Crazy how Whiteside's USG is even lower than last seasons. Thank God for Wade. When he goes out Whiteside is going to be the most frustrated player in the world.

[xStanton27]

Whiteside should get the most minutes every night

[goodboy]

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Spoiler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4N5sI27PAs[/youtube]

Phew. I thought it was some physical injury, migraines can be coped with them shades.

[RexBoyWonder]

so much overreaction..come on guys.

We hit like 5-26 from 3. If he hit 8-26 we win the game.

3 point shooting is a huge key for us in every game, in games we're really cold, we'll struggle. We all knew that. WE should heart coming back late but didn't have enough left in the tank.

Dragic is getting more comfterable and played well, that's good.

We need to trade Rio and hope J-Rich can really hit the 3's or get another shooter, that's the only real issue we had last night. With a better shooting night from 3 we easily win this game.

[ifrosty13]

Think we could have won that game had Wade been healthy. That 4th Quarter turnaround was around the time that Wade would usually come back, and he was playing well last night for the most part.

[DWadeno3]

Whiteside could've had a 30-20 game yesterday if it wasn't for Spo's *****-***. If Whiteside stays in Miami, it's going to be because of Wade and/or Riley. He knows his value, and I don't think he has any genuine respect for any player or team personnel on the Heat except for Riley and Wade because both are ATG level types. I'll probably throw Zo in there also.

Just make this team more Whiteside-centric. Drummond is averaging 39 minutes per game and taking 16 shots. Why can't Whiteside, who is a similarly talented player do the same? This team would be better off. We all love to clown Whiteside for his passing but you don't think if you give him plenty of touches he will pass more? Dude is shooting 76.3% he should be having the ball on every possession! Crazy how Whiteside's USG is even lower than last seasons. Thank God for Wade. When he goes out Whiteside is going to be the most frustrated player in the world.

Whiteside struggled mightily when trying to pass the ball out of the double-team. He kept bringing it down and kept getting stripped or at least bothered enough to throw a poor pass. Atlanta did a good job of taking him out of the game just like they did a good job of killing any kind of penetration by us. The bottom line is, we have to threes to open up the game against this type of defense, we didn't, so they stuck with their gameplan. You best believe if we had hit our shots from the outside at a better clip, Whiteside would've had opportunities and the game would've been different.

[QUIZ]

Whiteside could've had a 30-20 game yesterday if it wasn't for Spo's *****-***. If Whiteside stays in Miami, it's going to be because of Wade and/or Riley. He knows his value, and I don't think he has any genuine respect for any player or team personnel on the Heat except for Riley and Wade because both are ATG level types. I'll probably throw Zo in there also.

Just make this team more Whiteside-centric. Drummond is averaging 39 minutes per game and taking 16 shots. Why can't Whiteside, who is a similarly talented player do the same? This team would be better off. We all love to clown Whiteside for his passing but you don't think if you give him plenty of touches he will pass more? Dude is shooting 76.3% he should be having the ball on every possession! Crazy how Whiteside's USG is even lower than last seasons. Thank God for Wade. When he goes out Whiteside is going to be the most frustrated player in the world.

Whiteside struggled mightily when trying to pass the ball out of the double-team. He kept bringing it down and kept getting stripped or at least bothered enough to throw a poor pass. Atlanta did a good job of taking him out of the game just like they did a good job of killing any kind of penetration by us. The bottom line is, we have to threes to open up the game against this type of defense, we didn't, so they stuck with their gameplan. You best believe if we had hit our shots from the outside at a better clip, Whiteside would've had opportunities and the game would've been different.

I actually thought Whiteside did a good job at reading and reacting to the double teams yesterday. He still isn't perfect but he's definitely made progress in that regard.

[TMIMITW]

Whiteside could've had a 30-20 game yesterday if it wasn't for Spo's *****-***. If Whiteside stays in Miami, it's going to be because of Wade and/or Riley. He knows his value, and I don't think he has any genuine respect for any player or team personnel on the Heat except for Riley and Wade because both are ATG level types. I'll probably throw Zo in there also.

Just make this team more Whiteside-centric. Drummond is averaging 39 minutes per game and taking 16 shots. Why can't Whiteside, who is a similarly talented player do the same? This team would be better off. We all love to clown Whiteside for his passing but you don't think if you give him plenty of touches he will pass more? Dude is shooting 76.3% he should be having the ball on every possession! Crazy how Whiteside's USG is even lower than last seasons. Thank God for Wade. When he goes out Whiteside is going to be the most frustrated player in the world.

Whiteside struggled mightily when trying to pass the ball out of the double-team. He kept bringing it down and kept getting stripped or at least bothered enough to throw a poor pass. Atlanta did a good job of taking him out of the game just like they did a good job of killing any kind of penetration by us. The bottom line is, we have to threes to open up the game against this type of defense, we didn't, so they stuck with their gameplan. You best believe if we had hit our shots from the outside at a better clip, Whiteside would've had opportunities and the game would've been different.

Whiteside need to make a call to shaq,

Shaq ability to pass out the double team was very underrated

[DWadeno3]

Whiteside could've had a 30-20 game yesterday if it wasn't for Spo's *****-***. If Whiteside stays in Miami, it's going to be because of Wade and/or Riley. He knows his value, and I don't think he has any genuine respect for any player or team personnel on the Heat except for Riley and Wade because both are ATG level types. I'll probably throw Zo in there also.

Just make this team more Whiteside-centric. Drummond is averaging 39 minutes per game and taking 16 shots. Why can't Whiteside, who is a similarly talented player do the same? This team would be better off. We all love to clown Whiteside for his passing but you don't think if you give him plenty of touches he will pass more? Dude is shooting 76.3% he should be having the ball on every possession! Crazy how Whiteside's USG is even lower than last seasons. Thank God for Wade. When he goes out Whiteside is going to be the most frustrated player in the world.

Whiteside struggled mightily when trying to pass the ball out of the double-team. He kept bringing it down and kept getting stripped or at least bothered enough to throw a poor pass. Atlanta did a good job of taking him out of the game just like they did a good job of killing any kind of penetration by us. The bottom line is, we have to threes to open up the game against this type of defense, we didn't, so they stuck with their gameplan. You best believe if we had hit our shots from the outside at a better clip, Whiteside would've had opportunities and the game would've been different.

Whiteside need to make a call to shaq,

Shaq ability to pass out the double team was very underrated

Shaq is one of the best centers of all time. Passing out of double-teams as a big man is not so easy and something that takes time to develop.

I will defend Spoelstra with his choice of rolling with Birdman for a while for on reason: When the Hawks put Hassan in a pick-and-roll, he has to fall back deep because his lateral quickness doesn't allow him to step up. That, on the other hand, gives Teague a free ride into the paint.
Birdman on the other hand can cover Teague high up in the pick and roll, thus not making us so vulnerable for their penetration. The Hawks did a good job of turning our strengths into a weakness.

Great coaching job by Budenholzer.

[TMIMITW]

Whiteside struggled mightily when trying to pass the ball out of the double-team. He kept bringing it down and kept getting stripped or at least bothered enough to throw a poor pass. Atlanta did a good job of taking him out of the game just like they did a good job of killing any kind of penetration by us. The bottom line is, we have to threes to open up the game against this type of defense, we didn't, so they stuck with their gameplan. You best believe if we had hit our shots from the outside at a better clip, Whiteside would've had opportunities and the game would've been different.

Whiteside need to make a call to shaq,

Shaq ability to pass out the double team was very underrated

Shaq is one of the best centers of all time. Passing out of double-teams as a big man is not so easy and something that takes time to develop.

I will defend Spoelstra with his choice of rolling with Birdman for a while for on reason: When the Hawks put Hassan in a pick-and-roll, he has to fall back deep because his lateral quickness doesn't allow him to step up. That, on the other hand, gives Teague a free ride into the paint.
Birdman on the other hand can cover Teague high up in the pick and roll, thus not making us so vulnerable for their penetration. The Hawks did a good job of turning our strengths into a weakness.

Great coaching job by Budenholzer.

I definitely agree, bird was cool, he brought Hassan in at the right time... the refs killed our momentum with that false goaltending call