Re: Russell, Randle, Clarkson

iamworthy · Post #1 » by **iamworthy** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 2:12 am

We currently have a various threads talking about Russ, Jordan, and Randle. Hopefully we can just have an on going discussion here so we dont have to search mulitple threads to see who's saying what about one of our young guys. With that being said.....

I deleted my post because after watching Byrons Scott press conference it came accross differently then when I received the tweet. Everything might be ok. If you didnt read my first post dont worry about it. Anyhow I still think we need a random place to post about the young guns.

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Mamba Mentality · Post #2 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 2:14 am

very misleading thread title...atleast it was for me

As far as your theory goes, I haven't watched enough games this season to make a fair assessment. From the bits and pieces that I've watched (roughly two games), I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary from Russ' body language. I'm going to take a wait and see approach before I go the animosity route. As of right now all I know is Russ is playing like crap...Byron has every right to make him earn his minutes.

iamworthy · Post #3 » by **iamworthy** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 2:38 am

My bad on the title. They use the term Kobe's Kids on ESPN radio a lot. I changed the title to reflect the topic.

Also, please dont make this a Byron Scott bashing thread.

gts1 · Post #4 » by **gts1** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 3:17 am

I have no problem with Scott telling anybody they have to earn their time on the floor... nobody should be given the keys to the car if they can't earn it in game and on the practice floor and the fact is Russell for whatever reason has been tentative... he needs to push harder (not play harder) but be more assertive, he needs to try and leave his mark on the game...

along the same lines and what i take as a message to the kids on the team Byron also said today that "Winning comes first, development of young players second" (which some will will construe as an and or situation with Byron) but in fact it's true... you can't develop young players properly if winning is not a main goal... development and building a winning mentality are not exclusive of each other

dipstick · Post #5 » by **dipstick** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 3:22 am

The one thing I agree with in Byron's presser was that D'Angelo not playing in the end should not be an issue. He will get a lot of chances. A lot of us here want us to play the kids 35 minutes everyday, and that's not really necessary. Just look at Clarkson and even Randle. Just being around the team helped Randle and shuttling between the Lakers and the D-Fenders obviously helped Clarkson out last year.

Except for his shot, which will eventually fall, I like how Russell played yesterday. He was finding the open man. Given his limited minutes, played well enough.

gts1 · Post #6 » by **gts1** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:23 am

dipstick wrote:The one thing I agree with in Byron's presser was that D'Angelo not playing in the end should not be an issue. He will get a lot of chances. A lot of us here want us to play the kids 35 minutes everyday, and that's not really necessary. Just look at Clarkson and even Randle. Just being around the team helped Randle and shuttling between the Lakers and the D-Fenders obviously helped Clarkson out last year.

Except for his shot, which will eventually fall, I like how Russell played yesterday. He was finding the open man. Given his limited minutes, played well enough.

yep... He'll get it, takes time. When you're a pass first PG like he is it takes a certain amount of time to learn your teammates, where they are what they accel at etc etc etc... pretty steep learning curve made even harder when your teammates for the most part are learning their place too...

Post #7 » by **Goudelock** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:33 am

gts1 wrote:I have no problem with Scott telling anybody they have to earn their time on the floor... nobody should be given the keys to the car if they can't earn it in game and on the practice floor and the fact is Russell for whatever reason has been tentative... he needs to push harder (not play harder) but be more assertive, he needs to try and leave his mark on the game...

along the same lines and what i take as a message to the kids on the team Byron also said today that "Winning comes first, development of young players second" (which some will will construe as an and or situation with Byron) but in fact it's true... you can't develop young players properly if winning is not a main goal... development and building a winning mentality are not exclusive of each other

You seem to be a pretty good poster, but this part makes no sense. By this logic, Bass, Kelly, Kobe, and Nick Young don't deserve to be on the floor either.

gts1 · Post #8 » by **gts1** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:57 am

PockyCandy wrote:
gts1 wrote:I have no problem with Scott telling anybody they have to earn their time on the floor... nobody should be given the keys to the car if they can't earn it in game and on the practice floor and the fact is Russell for whatever reason has been tentative... he needs to push harder (not play harder) but be more assertive, he needs to try and leave his mark on the game...

along the same lines and what i take as a message to the kids on the team Byron also said today that "Winning comes first, development of young players second" (which some will will construe as an and or situation with Byron) but in fact it's true... you can't develop young players properly if winning is not a main goal... development and building a winning mentality are not exclusive of each other

You seem to be a pretty good poster, but this part makes no sense. By this logic, Bass, Kelly, Kobe, and Nick Young don't deserve to be on the floor either.

you can make that argument for Bass, Kelly and young and won't get too much argument from me...lol

Kobe, he's earned his place, even if he's playing poorly now you have to give him the benefit of the doubt early on and hope he can sort it out (which i have faith he'll find a happy middle ground) even his comments last couple days are telling he realizes he's not capable of carrying the load any longer...

john248 · Post #9 » by **john248** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 5:18 am

They're inexperienced players. That's all there is to it. I do think the development would go a lot quicker with a better head coach, but getting some court time will help too.

iamworthy · Post #10 » by **iamworthy** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 12:22 pm

I agree with what you guys are saying, I just wasn't aware that Russ wasn't playing hard in practice.

Mirjalovic · Post #11 » by **Mirjalovic** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 1:02 pm

what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

WVlakerfan · Post #12 » by **WVlakerfan** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 2:50 pm

Mirjalovic wrote:what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

I don't know if you can correctly answer this until the end of the season. People neglect the fact that Clarkson didn't play organized basketball until he was in highschool. Most kids in the NBA have been playing since they could walk so the typical he is 23 so he doesn't have high potential is kind of null in void. As long as he keeps improving i can see all-star based on the fact that he will get Phillipines votes and Lakers votes. kobe was voted in all start last year shooting 37%. As of right now he is bordering on dwane wade style efficiency who i think he is closer to that westbrook. Both similar age similar style of play clarkson is a hair better from 3pt range. I see wade as his ceiling.

PKABOOICU · Post #13 » by **PKABOOICU** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:14 pm

what i like about clarkson at age 23 is that he's composed. he reads the defense very well and he doesn't rush his shots too much. athleticism and defense wise, he's on par with other PG/SG's...the one real knock i have against him is that he needs to improve his court vision and be able to set up his Center or Shooter when he drives in. He's always looking to attack, but he needs to expand his game to make players around him better. He has that capability.

Randle is playing surprisingly well but he needs to up his defense and he's looking like a ball hog out there. Once he gets the ball, he's looking to score whether its 1 on 1 or 1 on 3. He doesn't look to pass at all, and he really needs to work on his FT shooting and that jumper from the top of the key and free throw line extended. I think he should study Blake Griffin and Chris Webber. Both guys developed a nice Jumper and are exceptional passers for a PF.

as far as russell goes, this kid simply needs the ball in his hands, and he needs effective playing time. its really not his fault that he's playing with 3 other SG's, all who happen to be score first players. He's too young still and his learning process is steep. His main benefit is that he has the basics down and his IQ is well above his age suggests.

ALL HAIL · Post #14 » by **ALL HAIL** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:14 pm

Mirjalovic wrote:what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

Reggie Jackson? Tyreke Evans? Robert Pack? Jeremy Lin? Rodney Stuckey? Bobby Sura? James Robinson? dumbed down Iverson? maybe Tony Parker?

Sorry, that's the best I got.

To me, he's a fourth or fifth option (probably off the bench) on a championship team.

It is what it is.

ALL HAIL · Post #15 » by **ALL HAIL** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:27 pm

WVlakerfan wrote:
Mirjalovic wrote:what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

I don't know if you can correctly answer this until the end of the season. People neglect the fact that Clarkson didn't play organized basketball until he was in highschool. Most kids in the NBA have been playing since they could walk so the typical he is 23 so he doesn't have high potential is kind of null in void. As long as he keeps improving i can see all-star based on the fact that he will get Phillipines votes and Lakers votes. kobe was voted in all start last year shooting 37%. As of right now he is bordering on dwane wade style efficiency who i think he is closer to that westbrook. Both similar age similar style of play clarkson is a hair better from 3pt range. I see wade as his ceiling.

Wade is actually not a bad comparison, but I think we ALL know in our hearts that he'll NEVER be that good, not in a million years.

Many, if not everyone, will say I'm jumping the gun, but with Russell in tow, I'd try my best to cash him in -- he's not a good fit with Russell ... and Russell will be better in two years.

They both need the ball in their hands (reference Marbury/Francis and Kidd/Hardaway) -- not a good mix when they're both developing.

It is what it is.

WVlakerfan · Post #16 » by **WVlakerfan** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:32 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
Mirjalovic wrote:what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

Reggie Jackson? Tyreke Evans? Robert Pack? Jeremy Lin? Rodney Stuckey? Bobby Sura? James Robinson? dumbed down Iverson? maybe Tony Parker?

Sorry, that's the best I got.

To me, he's a fourth or fifth option (probably off the bench) on a championship team.

It is what it is.

Not attacking you but i think he has already surpassed everybody you named besides Reggie and Tony Parker. Obviously Iverson is better as well but since dumbed down iverson is not a real person it is a useless comparison.

Post #17 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:37 pm

I think Russell should go to the D League and win some games. He needs to get his priorities realigned, and I think a successful stint in the DLeague could do that.

WVlakerfan · Post #18 » by **WVlakerfan** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:45 pm

Kilroy wrote:I think Russell should go to the D League and win some games. He needs to get his priorities realigned, and I think a successful stint in the DLeague could do that.

My only drawback to this is if he were to sustain a season ending Injury in a Defenders jersey it would look like the stupidest Idea in the history of player management.

ALL HAIL · Post #19 » by **ALL HAIL** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:47 pm

WVlakerfan wrote:
ALL HAIL wrote:
Mirjalovic wrote:what is Clarkson ceilling ?

been wondering since forever

Reggie Jackson? Tyreke Evans? Robert Pack? Jeremy Lin? Rodney Stuckey? Bobby Sura? James Robinson? dumbed down Iverson? maybe Tony Parker?

Sorry, that's the best I got.

To me, he's a fourth or fifth option (probably off the bench) on a championship team.

It is what it is.

Not attacking you but i think he has already surpassed everybody you named besides Reggie and Tony Parker. Obviously Iverson is better as well but since dumbed down iverson is not a real person it is a useless comparison.

Reggie Jackson was the first to pop up in my head, but all of those guys, at their highest moments, whether fleeting or otherwise, were damn good. Matter of fact, all of those guys were in the exact same position that Clarkson is in now -- a young upstart who's shown potential.

My gut tells me to cash in -- "Strike while the iron is hot."

I'd rather have Taj Gibson right now, and in the future, than Clarkson, especially if I'm completely invested in Russell's development.

ALL HAIL · Post #20 » by **ALL HAIL** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:48 pm

Kilroy wrote:I think Russell should go to the D League and win some games. He needs to get his priorities realigned, and I think a successful stint in the DLeague could do that.

Yeah, I said that last week. I also said it'll never happen. Maybe in baseball, but not in basketball ... unfortunately.