Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1581 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:48 am

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Washington needs an athletic PF or a young stretch PF. The Lakers need a C who is much more mobile than Roy Hibbert.

How about this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pfcgxra

Dejuan Blair, Garrett Temple, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kelly and Larry Nance Jr?

Do we have to give up a 1st round pick? How about just Blair for Kelly and be done with it?

It's not going to end well for Blair in DC.

Yes, I'd trade Blair for Kelly. Sure, why not?

TGW · Post #1582 » by **TGW** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:15 am

I'd trade Blair for a future 2nd rounder in 2050 just so I don't have to read non-stop posts about him not playing in the game threads.

AFM · Post #1583 » by **AFM** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:55 am

shots fired

J-Ves · Post #1584 » by **J-Ves** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 11:08 am

I'll be amazed if Markief Morris isn't on this team by the deadline. We have a huge hole at starting PF, Suns will be looking to rebuild soon, Morris wants out, EG is desperate to win now to better the pitch towards KD. It all adds up to something like Oubre, Webster for Morris.

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thricethefun · Post #1585 » by **thricethefun** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:45 pm

J-Ves wrote:I'll be amazed if Markief Morris isn't on this team by the deadline. We have a huge hole at starting PF, Suns will be looking to rebuild soon, Morris wants out, EG is desperate to win now to better the pitch towards KD. It all adds up to something like Oubre, Webster for Morris.

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A trade like that would eat into our cap space for next summer which I don't think our front office wants to do. I think if we do make a move at the trade deadline it will be for an expiring guy like Ryan Anderson.

J-Ves · Post #1586 » by **J-Ves** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 8:37 pm

thricethefun wrote:
J-Ves wrote:I'll be amazed if Markief Morris isn't on this team by the deadline. We have a huge hole at starting PF, Suns will be looking to rebuild soon, Morris wants out, EG is desperate to win now to better the pitch towards KD. It all adds up to something like Oubre, Webster for Morris.

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A trade like that would eat into our cap space for next summer which I don't think our front office wants to do. I think if we do make a move at the trade deadline it will be for an expiring guy like Ryan Anderson.

Maybe, but Morris is unique in that even with him on the roster the Wiz still have enough to fit in Beal and KD (it's close, they would have to decline humps and blairs final year).

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Post #1587 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 10:59 pm

J-Ves wrote:
thricethefun wrote:
J-Ves wrote:I'll be amazed if Markief Morris isn't on this team by the deadline. We have a huge hole at starting PF, Suns will be looking to rebuild soon, Morris wants out, EG is desperate to win now to better the pitch towards KD. It all adds up to something like Oubre, Webster for Morris.

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A trade like that would eat into our cap space for next summer which I don't think our front office wants to do. I think if we do make a move at the trade deadline it will be for an expiring guy like Ryan Anderson.

Maybe, but Morris is unique in that even with him on the roster the Wiz still have enough to fit in Beal and KD (it's close, they would have to decline humps and blairs final year).

Or include them in the deal. Hump+Blair+first for Morris, then we sign another FA big with the Webster injury exception (assuming that's still happening).

fishercob · Post #1588 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 6:12 am

I want Cody Zeller on this team.

Induveca · Post #1589 » by **Induveca** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:52 am

fishercob wrote:I want Cody Zeller on this team.

Oh god no, he *still* looks completely overmatched 95% of the time..

3 years in, that's a bad sign obviously.

fishercob · Post #1590 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 1:35 pm

Induveca wrote:
fishercob wrote:I want Cody Zeller on this team.

Oh god no, he *still* looks completely overmatched 95% of the time..

3 years in, that's a bad sign obviously.

He's not a franchise changer, but he's a perfect stylistic fit. He's 23, 7 feet tall, and uber athletic. He's great running the floor and gets up high to finish. Offensively efficient with a good shooting stroke that can be developed to a good distance if he works at it.

Was a great prospect coming out of college (I think NIvek's model rated him as a legit top-5 pick) and he has been mired in a bad situation in Charlotte.

BIggest weakness would appear to be his defensive rebounding.

He's a big upgrade over Drew Gooden. I think at his age he still has significant upside and he's already pretty good. It's all about the acquisition cost.

lastemp3ror · Post #1591 » by **lastemp3ror** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 1:52 pm

Let's trade Oubre for Portis. I know that would mean EG is admitting that he made the wrong selection in the draft, but he has to know by now that Portis would not only help this team now, but he would fill in our biggest hole....the PF position. I think Chicago would do it as well since they have too many PF's and Portis isn't going to see the light of day. If they are going to have a rookie ride the pine for the foreseeable future, it might as well be Oubre since he has a higher upside than Portis and would fill a weaker position at SF.

With all that said, I know it ain't going to happen.

Sluggerface · Post #1592 » by **Sluggerface** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:07 pm

lastemp3ror wrote:Let's trade Oubre for Portis. I know that would mean EG is admitting that he made the wrong selection in the draft, but he has to know by now that Portis would not only help this team now, but he would fill in our biggest hole....the PF position. I think Chicago would do it as well since they have too many PF's and Portis isn't going to see the light of day. If they are going to have a rookie ride the pine for the foreseeable future, it might as well be Oubre since he has a higher upside than Portis and would fill a weaker position at SF.

With all that said, I know it ain't going to happen.

Except Portis doesn't help you now, which is what the team needs.

Lump me in as another guy interested in exploring a Morris trade. The guy has all but killed his trade value. Phoenix sucks, Morris is sucking and clearly doesnt want to be there. We can offer expirings and get a deal done without giving up a first IMHO. He's young and on a great contract with the new cap, which means he's easily tradeable for the duration of his contract. I'm not sure exactly how much it impacts the KD sweepstakes though.

Post #1593 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:15 pm

fishercob wrote:
Induveca wrote:
fishercob wrote:I want Cody Zeller on this team.

Oh god no, he *still* looks completely overmatched 95% of the time..

3 years in, that's a bad sign obviously.

He's not a franchise changer, but he's a perfect stylistic fit. He's 23, 7 feet tall, and uber athletic. He's great running the floor and gets up high to finish. Offensively efficient with a good shooting stroke that can be developed to a good distance if he works at it.

Was a great prospect coming out of college (I think NIvek's model rated him as a legit top-5 pick) and he has been mired in a bad situation in Charlotte.

BIggest weakness would appear to be his defensive rebounding.

He's a big upgrade over Drew Gooden. I think at his age he still has significant upside and he's already pretty good. It's all about the acquisition cost.

Also "looking" over-matched isn't the same as BEING over-matched. He got better last season, and is off to a solid start this year. And he just turned 23.

AFM · Post #1594 » by **AFM** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:16 pm

He's white though.

lastemp3ror · Post #1595 » by **lastemp3ror** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 8:12 pm

Sluggerface wrote:
lastemp3ror wrote:Let's trade Oubre for Portis. I know that would mean EG is admitting that he made the wrong selection in the draft, but he has to know by now that Portis would not only help this team now, but he would fill in our biggest hole....the PF position. I think Chicago would do it as well since they have too many PF's and Portis isn't going to see the light of day. If they are going to have a rookie ride the pine for the foreseeable future, it might as well be Oubre since he has a higher upside than Portis and would fill a weaker position at SF.

With all that said, I know it ain't going to happen.

Except Portis doesn't help you now, which is what the team needs.

I guess I should say Portis helps you this year, and hopefully in time for the playoffs. He arguably had the best SL league play combined with a phenomal pre-season. I know that it isn't regular season play, however I am pretty confident he would be an upgrade to Humphries. Humphries has no business starting on any team. So in my opinion, if you can start over Hump, which should be likely by mid-season, Portis does help this team.

fishercob · Post #1596 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 9:50 pm

lastemp3ror wrote:Let's trade Oubre for Portis. I know that would mean EG is admitting that he made the wrong selection in the draft, but he has to know by now that Portis would not only help this team now, but he would fill in our biggest hole....the PF position. I think Chicago would do it as well since they have too many PF's and Portis isn't going to see the light of day. If they are going to have a rookie ride the pine for the foreseeable future, it might as well be Oubre since he has a higher upside than Portis and would fill a weaker position at SF.

With all that said, I know it ain't going to happen.

As I was watching Dubs-Clips last night, I was thinking about Oubre. The Warriors just won an NBA title and are the league's best team on the strength of several interchangeable wings that allow them to switch everything on defense and spread the floor on offense. They have no "post scoring" to speak of. Rather, they get layups and dunks of of cuts and pick and rolls created by all of the space.

Oubre has shown elite defensive potential. What if on balance he grows into as good a player as Harrison Barnes or Igoudala?

How on earth do you defend Wall, Beal, Oubre, Porter and Durant as a unit in 2-3 years? Defensively, they have crazy length and athleticism that can cause the same swarming and switching nightmares that fuel Golden State's defensive dominance. Mix on Satoransky and Gortat for some nice versatility.

J-Ves · Post #1597 » by **J-Ves** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 9:56 pm

Maybe we should call Boston up and swap Kelly Os.

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theboomking · Post #1598 » by **theboomking** » Fri Nov 6, 2015 12:47 pm

Beal looks like a star this year. Drummond is looking awesome. Last year I frequently considered Beal for Drummond, only if we signed Durant.

So, which team is better, Wall and Beal and Durant and Porter, or Wall and Drummond and Durant and Porter? Honestly, with the modern importance of wing play, I'd now be inclined to say that we would be better off with Beal than Drummond. Historically, teams have found functional centers to pair with their wings, Mozgov, Gortat, etc. Beal, Porter and Wall are also such complementary players. With so many high volume scorers that are also 3 point shooters, the team would be extremely difficult to defend.

Thoughts?

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1599 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Fri Nov 6, 2015 1:42 pm

I'd rather have Beal than Drummond regardless of Durant.

It's also Beal + Gortat vs Drummond really.

If you have Drummond, you have to build around him to get the most out of your roster because he is offensively limited. We're built around Wall. Wall needs a center with good offensive skills. Someone that can shoot and play away from the rim. Drummond needs to play with four shooters. Wall paired with Beal and Gortat >>> Wall paired with Drummond.

theboomking · Post #1600 » by **theboomking** » Fri Nov 6, 2015 2:08 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote: Wall paired with Beal and Gortat >>> Wall paired with Drummond.

This year, I agree with you. And I clearly agreed with the sentence I quoted, even last year. The thought was that Durant would essentially replace/upgrade Beal as a shooter and that we could possibly get a young defender/rebounder in the front court. Last year, Beals production, but not potential, looked fairly easily replaceable. This year, he just looks so valuable. He is driving to the hoop twice as often, per the Washington Post, and obviously is scoring in much greater volume with much better efficiency.TS% is at .580 this year compared to .521 last year. If he can keep that up, a 25ppg scorer with that TS% is just incredibly valuable.