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Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1601 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri Nov 6, 2015 4:45 pm

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stevemcqueen1 wrote: Wall paired with Beal and Gortat >>> Wall paired with Drummond.


This year, I agree with you. And I clearly agreed with the sentence I quoted, even last year. The thought was that Durant would essentially replace/upgrade Beal as a shooter and that we could possibly get a young defender/rebounder in the front court. Last year, Beals production, but not potential, looked fairly easily replaceable. This year, he just looks so valuable. He is driving to the hoop twice as often, per the Washington Post, and obviously is scoring in much greater volume with much better efficiency.TS% is at .580 this year compared to .521 last year. If he can keep that up, a 25ppg scorer with that TS% is just incredibly valuable.


Yeah. He creates a big chunk of his offense now. Someone who scores in high volume with efficiency by creating his own offense is the most valuable type of player in the NBA. Those are usually the guys that successful teams get built around, They make building a good offense easy. And if that guy is also a two way player and can pass and rebound well for his position, then he's not taking anything off the table. That's what Beal is becoming.

Beal's scoring ability gives us such a margin for error now. All three of our wins would have been losses if not for his ability to create offense in winning time and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1602 » by AFM » Fri Nov 6, 2015 8:04 pm

Woah woah woah woah woah! Shut this thread down guys! We don't need to trade ever again! We winning the championship this year and every year until Wall dies of old age!
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1603 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 7, 2015 12:30 am

I think we have to proverbially bite the "bullet" and do this trade: Satoransky and 2016 1st rounder for Bobby Portis. Sato could very well be a stud, and I hate trading a 1st rounder, but we need someone like Portis, and there's not likely going to be many opportunities to get someone like him. There just aren't a whole lot of young inexpensive (for 4 years) players who are that big who shoot like him, rebound like him, and play as hard as he does. He's played all of 1 game for Chicago - so they don't need him. They're not going to get more than Sato and a first. Just do it. Both teams win.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1604 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 3:32 am

Ruzious wrote:I think we have to proverbially bite the "bullet" and do this trade: Satoransky and 2016 1st rounder for Bobby Portis. Sato could very well be a stud, and I hate trading a 1st rounder, but we need someone like Portis, and there's not likely going to be many opportunities to get someone like him. There just aren't a whole lot of young inexpensive (for 4 years) players who are that big who shoot like him, rebound like him, and play as hard as he does. He's played all of 1 game for Chicago - so they don't need him. They're not going to get more than Sato and a first. Just do it. Both teams win.


I'd pull the trigger on that.

But first I'd call up Boston and Charlotte to see if they're interested in dealing any of their young bigs. Theirs are a bit more established than Portis, and could presumably help us right now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1605 » by nuposse04 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 3:38 am

I think waiting until we void webster for the season and trying our luck at a D-Leaguer would be more prudent then dumping assets right now. Losing to younger bigs suck, but not ever team has a roster chuck full of stretch bigs. BOS is a questionable matchup and got hot. I'd wait to see how more things play out before trading Sato and a 1st.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1606 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 7, 2015 4:05 am

nuposse04 wrote:I think waiting until we void webster for the season and trying our luck at a D-Leaguer would be more prudent then dumping assets right now. Losing to younger bigs suck, but not ever team has a roster chuck full of stretch bigs. BOS is a questionable matchup and got hot. I'd wait to see how more things play out before trading Sato and a 1st.

Fwiw, I posted that Portis trade right before the Boston game, so I wasn't coming from the over-reaction angle.

Steve, I'd rather have Portis than the alternatives. He's a better fit at the stretch 4 position than anyone else that might be available. That non-stop motor of his makes a difference.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1607 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 4:07 am

We need Terrence Jones. He's had random injuries here and there, and Houston doesn't have patience for him with Motiejunas, Harrell, Capela in tow. His value is plummeting mainly due to team situation.


Athletic PF who can make plays in space, and is young enough (23yo) to grow with our core


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I'm calling it now before it happens.. TJones should be our target by the deadline, offer Houston a 1st + Satoransky. Or better yet just pursue him outright in RFA this summer, because I don't think the Rockets would be inclined to match.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1608 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 7, 2015 4:31 am

Heck, trade for Portis now AND sign Jones in the offseason. Since Portis' salary is so low and we don't have to pay a 2016 ist round pick or Sato, we can probably afford both Portis and Jones - once we turn down Hump's option. Portis is long and big enough to play center behind Gortat.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1609 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 4:45 am

Ruzious wrote:Heck, trade for Portis now AND sign Jones in the offseason. Since Portis' salary is so low and we don't have to pay a 2016 ist round pick or Sato, we can probably afford both Portis and Jones - once we turn down Hump's option. Portis is long and big enough to play center behind Gortat.

I don't think a Portis trade is on the table.

It sounds nice in theory, but let's look at the big picture from all angles - Taj Gibson on the Bulls has been in trade rumors for about 3 years now. He's on a cap-friendly 8m/yr deal, two years left, and Chicago has a clear frontcourt logjam, with lack of depth at the wings and PG spot. They're doing this pace-and-space thing, and Gibson has no shooting range unlike BP

I think the writing is on the wall, the Bulls will be looking to move Gibson by the deadline for a guard/wing and Portis will take his place in the rotation. There's no way they move Portis, Gibson is the guy they'll look to move (and I don't want him).
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1610 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 4:47 am

I'm putting it in my sig though, we need to target Terrence Jones after this season ! I know some Wiz employees read this board
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1611 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:49 am

Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I think waiting until we void webster for the season and trying our luck at a D-Leaguer would be more prudent then dumping assets right now. Losing to younger bigs suck, but not ever team has a roster chuck full of stretch bigs. BOS is a questionable matchup and got hot. I'd wait to see how more things play out before trading Sato and a 1st.

Fwiw, I posted that Portis trade right before the Boston game, so I wasn't coming from the over-reaction angle.

Steve, I'd rather have Portis than the alternatives. He's a better fit at the stretch 4 position than anyone else that might be available. That non-stop motor of his makes a difference.


What if the alternative is Sully or Cody Zeller or Olynyk?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1612 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:51 am

I'm also for Terrence Jones.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1613 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 7, 2015 9:38 am

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Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I think waiting until we void webster for the season and trying our luck at a D-Leaguer would be more prudent then dumping assets right now. Losing to younger bigs suck, but not ever team has a roster chuck full of stretch bigs. BOS is a questionable matchup and got hot. I'd wait to see how more things play out before trading Sato and a 1st.

Fwiw, I posted that Portis trade right before the Boston game, so I wasn't coming from the over-reaction angle.

Steve, I'd rather have Portis than the alternatives. He's a better fit at the stretch 4 position than anyone else that might be available. That non-stop motor of his makes a difference.


What if the alternative is Sully or Cody Zeller or Olynyk?

Like I said before, none of them really fit as a stretch 4. Sullinger and Olynyk don't move well enough to play the 4, and Zeller doesn't have 3 point range at this point.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1614 » by gtn130 » Sat Nov 7, 2015 6:32 pm

Rim protecting power forwards who can shoot the 3 barely exist, which is why guys like Ibaka and Bosh are so valuable. Our best option for an in-season trade would be to target a better backup center.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1615 » by fishercob » Sun Nov 8, 2015 4:15 am

Go get Ryan Anderson. Pels are winless and should be tanking. We can save them an assload of money by sending Webster and $3M.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1616 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Nov 8, 2015 4:37 am

fishercob wrote:Go get Ryan Anderson. Pels are winless and should be tanking. We can save them an assload of money by sending Webster and $3M.


What's Anderson's contract situation?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1617 » by 80sballboy » Sun Nov 8, 2015 4:42 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1618 » by Dark Faze » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:03 pm

Garrett Temple for Jeff Withey straight up--Utah needs guard help and Garrett fits in well with their system--he's improved his long ball and would be a huge upgrade for them defensively at PG.

Kelly Oubre Jr and our 1st for Nerlens Noel. Not sure if Hinkie would take it, but its worth a shot. If they are confident about Embiid's health, then getting another pick and a young prospect like Oubre might be enticing to them.

I'm "eh" on Ryno. I think your stretch 4 needs to be a strong defender in todays NBA, not just someone who can shoot and has size. Defensively you need someone who's good enough to make it worth stretching the floor, otherwise you're just giving those points right back. We're seeing that now with Hump at the 4.

But yea, I'd make a move for front court players as soon as possible.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1619 » by fishercob » Mon Nov 9, 2015 12:47 am

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fishercob wrote:Go get Ryan Anderson. Pels are winless and should be tanking. We can save them an assload of money by sending Webster and $3M.


What's Anderson's contract situation?


I thought he had one more year on his deal after this one, but he's actually expiring. This makes me less enthused about going after him unless we can get him for minimal future assets -- which I doubt in a competitive marketplace.

Webster + $3M for Anderson saves New Orleans a nice chunk of change, but we'd have to include a pick to make it worthwhile for New Orleans and I just don't think that makes sense. Anderson is a good player, but he's more band-aid than cure.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX 

Post#1620 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Nov 9, 2015 5:26 am

Philly considers Noel a core player. They'd probably move Embiid before Noel at this point, but Embiid is basically untradeable.

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