Should We Give Jon Leuer a Chance Before Hanging?

[jcsunsfan]

I wrote this horrible pun-riddled fantasy piece on Leuer when he went through this hot streak in 2013, dude was getting minutes and producing - no denying it.

I think he's a good citizen who is a legit 6-9 - 6'10 who can make a 3 and crash the boards for 15-20 mins each night, basically what we wanted Tolliver for last year? Plus he's only just turned 26 so he could be a relatively young vet as this will be his fifth season and he's experienced the playoffs three straight years with Memphis.

http://thefantasyfix.com/fantasy-basketball/fantasy-basketball-2013-value-buy-candidates-2/

6-10 w/o shoes. 6-11.5 in shoes. 7-0 wingspan. 8-10 standing reach (long neck, big head?)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon-Leuer-5854/

[King4Day]

We gave up nothing for him and he's cheap. Why would anyone in their right mind be upset over getting him

[WeekapaugGroove]

I grew up in Wisconsin so still root for the badgers and am familiar leuers game. He's pretty much what most badger fans expected him to be, a decent borderline rotation guy who will probably have a 10-12 year career. He doesn't really excel at anything but also does most things well enough. Smart player who coaches like because he won't bitch if he's out of the rotation and won't kill you if he's playing 15-20 mins a game.

I would have preferred they took dakari Johnson and found a guy like leuer for a couple mil in free agency. But if this prevents them from giving some backup big 6+ mil a year I'm happy they made the trade.

[LukasBMW]

We needed a cheap backup center. We weren't going to get one in the second round. So we traded our 2nd round pick for him.

Why not?

Can't be much worse then Plumlee.

[nevetsov]

McD's plan? To acquire every scrub that goes off against us, so it won't happen in the future!

Really though, Leuer will cost about the same as a 2nd rounder, is much more experienced, and adequately fills out a deep roster spot as a bench big. The likelihood of a second rounder ever becoming what Leuer is, I would estimate is around 10-15%. Most don't even make the opening day roster.

And if we indeed got a future second out of it, then even better. Mustn't have been anyone at 44 that we liked that we wouldn't have been able to get on our summer league team anyway.

[nevetsov]

McD's plan? To acquire every scrub that goes off against us, so there won't be anyone in the league to surprise us anymore!

Really though, Leuer will cost about the same as a 2nd rounder, is much more experienced, and adequately fills out a deep roster spot as a bench big. The likelihood of a second rounder ever becoming what Leuer is, I would estimate is around 10-15%. Most don't even make the opening day roster.

And if we indeed got a future second out of it, then even better. Mustn't have been anyone at 44 that we liked that we wouldn't have been able to get on our summer league team anyway.

[Chuck Newhouse]

I have seen year by year improvement and maybe more last year than any other. Thrilled with this move.

[Saberestar]

I think that Leuer is a decent player to have at the end of the bench like your fith big man.

What I don't like is to lose an oportunity to grab a decent prospect who can be on your team on a cheap contract for the next three years at least. I would like to have Harrell or Rakeem Christmas, because we don't have that type of energy guy on our team yet and they are not freshman or anything like that...they can contribute since the first year.

Well, we will see how Leuer plays and hopefully he is a great surprise.

[bwgood77]

I like him. A nice positive offseason addition along with Booker. Jury still out on the others. I won't jump to conclusions on the others after 6 games, and their minutes got squeezed pretty quickly anyway so that's good.

[Matt1979]

I like him. A nice positive offseason addition along with Booker. Jury still out on the others. I won't jump to conclusions on the others after 6 games, and their minutes got squeezed pretty quickly anyway so that's good.

I like him and sometimes look forward to him coming on. He's a better rebounder than Keef and certainly seems to shoot the 3 better. It'd be good to see their comparative stats spread out over 36 minutes.

[rsavaj]

Dude's been the best PF on the roster so far, which kind of blows my mind

[bwgood77]

I like him. A nice positive offseason addition along with Booker. Jury still out on the others. I won't jump to conclusions on the others after 6 games, and their minutes got squeezed pretty quickly anyway so that's good.

I like him and sometimes look forward to him coming on. He's a better rebounder than Keef and certainly seems to shoot the 3 better. It'd be good to see their comparative stats spread out over 36 minutes.

Here are their stats for the season side by side...you can see per 36 and also advanced. Leuer is pretty much killing him.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Ug6HR

[Revived]

Yea I wouldn't mind him starting.

Something to keep in mind is that Kieff had maybe his best season when he came off the bench in '13-'14 season....just saying.

[Matt1979]

I like him. A nice positive offseason addition along with Booker. Jury still out on the others. I won't jump to conclusions on the others after 6 games, and their minutes got squeezed pretty quickly anyway so that's good.

I like him and sometimes look forward to him coming on. He's a better rebounder than Keef and certainly seems to shoot the 3 better. It'd be good to see their comparative stats spread out over 36 minutes.

Here are their stats for the season side by side...you can see per 36 and also advanced. Leuer is pretty much killing him.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Ug6HR

So the only area Keef is better in is over 36 mins is PPG where he has a 4 point advantage. However who knows know many points Leuers 5 extra rebounds per game is worth.

Plus Keef shooting WAY below 30% from 3 whilst Leuer is above 50%.

The numbers don't lie.

[RaisingArizona]

So far, this was a good trade for McD. +2 but -1 for the Weems pickup.

[bwgood77]

So far, this was a good trade for McD. +2 but -1 for the Weems pickup.

Maybe we should give Weems a little more of a chance before hanging but yes, he's played like ass so far.

[8on]

So far, this was a good trade for McD. +2 but -1 for the Weems pickup.

Maybe we should give Weems a little more of a chance before hanging but yes, he's played like ass so far.

Even if he bombs, it doesn't matter that much, but we're only 6 games in. I'm sure he'll have a breakout game or two in the next month.

[8on]

Interesting stat: Leuer's Box Plus/Minus is 3.2, good for 56th in the league. A couple of days ago his Offensive Box Plus/Minus was 9th or 10th in the league. 6 pts 6 reb is pretty respectable, and knowing we only gave up Andrew Harrison to get him means it's a no-risk move. It certainly helped us more than it's helped the Grizz. kinda wonder what I'm thinking if I'm Brandan Wright...

[sunskerr]

John Leur is a big reason why I think we should trade Markieff. He has been the better player so far and his skill set is more complimentary to the rest of the team, namely Bledsoe & Knight. Markieff doesn't provide spacing and gets in a mid range isolation game more than our guards do. To his credit he has been at least a decent defender.

[bwgood77]

So far, this was a good trade for McD. +2 but -1 for the Weems pickup.

Maybe we should give Weems a little more of a chance before hanging but yes, he's played like ass so far.

Even if he bombs, it doesn't matter that much, but we're only 6 games in. I'm sure he'll have a breakout game or two in the next month.

And it's not like we gave him a lot of money or a long term deal.