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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#201 » by milesfides » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:08 pm

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I'm trying to have a civil basketball debate so I don't see the need for the adversarial tone in your post.

Win shares are dependent on team performance. That is true. Would you care to share the team independent stats that show he is not a good player?


The adversarial tone isn't directed towards you, it's directed towards the Lakers for getting Lou.

I'm not dismissing win shares as a useful stat, I just think that using one stat to rationalize the signing is nonsense in general and misapplied in this specific case.

Eye test and an overall look at both advanced stats and simple stats show what he is. He's a scorer but not a particularly good shooter (again, inflated by high usage and gets to the line, both which will decline on the Lakers).

But he's not a versatile player because he ranks at the bottom in terms of passing and rebounding. He's a tiny shooting guard, without point guard skills. He's also not a great defender. There are just too many gaps in his game.

There is a certain precedence of successful role playing small guards like Derek Fisher, a lights-out shooting guard in a point guard's body and a tenacious defender at his prime. But Lou isn't that kind of player. He's not a 3 and D role player. He's also not a playmaker. He's got a specialized skill that doesn't really fit well with a team concept, at least not in one that we've seen yet. The penchant for hero ball is also particularly disheartening, because we know firsthand that it's not a formula for consistent success (and Lou is particularly terrible at it).

I guess a poor man's Allen Iverson is apt, except the history of the game has shown how difficult it is to win with a player like that, even an Allen Iverson. Hard to build around that guy, and perhaps even harder to incorporate that guy as a role player on a contending team.
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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#202 » by Edrees » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:01 am

lmao looks like boozer could be the next laker leftovers for the clippers
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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#203 » by ALL HAIL » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:54 pm

The front office is to blame.

I'm in no way making excuses, but moreso than Scott's ineptitude or Russell's lack of aggressiveness, this signing by the front office is the primary reason for this team's lack of chemistry.

When you factor in that Lou's money could've gone to fill another need (defensive swingman), this mistake is even more damning.

If given a mulligan, would you sign Lou Will again?What was our front office thinking? And why is noone singling out Kupchak who, according to Lucky Sperm, is the man in the room in charge of putting the pieces together?
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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#204 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:14 pm

The Devil's in the Details

It amazes me that people think players are easily tradeable.

Just like Nick Young, if you put Lou Williams on the block tomorrow, some of you all'd be shocked, how few takers there'd be.

You have to be smart about every guy you sign.

Nick Young makes peanuts in the broader scope of NBA salaries, Lou Williams too.

But if you HAD TO dump them quickly, it's not simple at all. I think we learned that this summer as they, allegedly, were trying to jettison Young -- to no avail.

Kupchak's not a dummy. He knows it's not easy to trade undesirable players on deals longer than one year, he knows this.

He knows this, yet he signed Williams anyway, understanding there was a very high chance of Young still being here.

Isn't that problematic? Isn't it details like this that separate good GMs from mediocre ones?

How much do Young and Williams make combined again?

Is it fair to say now that the initial Nick Young signing was stupid. I mean they did try to trade him a year later. Doesn't trying to get a divorce mean the marriage was/is unsuccessful?

Likewise, isn't it fair to say that the initial Lou Williams signing was even stupider.

I wonder if they'll be trying to trade him this summer too?

Meanwhile, I'm just hoping that at least one person in the war room will ask the questions:

Are you sure we should really sign this guy Mitch? I mean, does he really fit what this team needs?

The Lakers are tripping over shoes they tied themselves -- and it ain't Jim Buss.

Buss is subservient (as he should be).

The OG in the room clearly isnt crossing his "t's" and dotting his "i's".
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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#205 » by jeroka » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:21 pm

I think Lou Williams should start. Russell seems a bit in awe of Kobe right... maybe coming off the bench will settle Russell's game, at the same time give Lou a chance to play with the starters (he finishes the games anyways)
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Re: Lou Williams signs with Lakers 

Post#206 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:32 pm

jeroka wrote:I think Lou Williams should start. Russell seems a bit in awe of Kobe right... maybe coming off the bench will settle Russell's game, at the same time give Lou a chance to play with the starters (he finishes the games anyways)

I've been saying for months now, the best lineup for chemistry is:

G - Bryant(24) - Russell(24)
G - Williams(24) - Clarkson(24)
C - Hibbert - Black
F - Randle - Bass
F - W.Peace(15) - Nance(20) - Young(15)
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#207 » by Slava » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:36 pm

New Orleans is so battered in the backcourt now, unless their health improves by December, they'd offer something in return for Lou Williams if we put him on the block. I wouldn't be concerned, Lou is a professional unlike Nick Young and $6 mil per season for another 3 is a very movable contract.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#208 » by LApwnd » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:59 pm

Slava wrote:New Orleans is so battered in the backcourt now, unless their health improves by December, they'd offer something in return for Lou Williams if we put him on the block. I wouldn't be concerned, Lou is a professional unlike Nick Young and $6 mil per season for another 3 is a very movable contract.

Think they would give us Evans? Would you want evans?
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#209 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Slava wrote:New Orleans is so battered in the backcourt now, unless their health improves by December, they'd offer something in return for Lou Williams if we put him on the block. I wouldn't be concerned, Lou is a professional unlike Nick Young and $6 mil per season for another 3 is a very movable contract.

That sounds like a trade proposal. I know how often those come to fruition.

Just don't call Atlanta,
or Phila,
or Toronto,
or any team that wants a SG to be taller than 6'2,
or any team with a starting PG under 6'4,
or any team that happens to need some defense,
or any team not willing to make the same phone calls you're making, next year.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#210 » by Slava » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:14 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
Slava wrote:New Orleans is so battered in the backcourt now, unless their health improves by December, they'd offer something in return for Lou Williams if we put him on the block. I wouldn't be concerned, Lou is a professional unlike Nick Young and $6 mil per season for another 3 is a very movable contract.

That sounds like a trade proposal. I know how often those come to fruition.

Just don't call Atlanta,
or Phila,
or Toronto,
or any team that wants a SG to be taller than 6'2,
or any team with a starting PG under 6'4,
or any team that happens to need some defense,
or any team not willing to make the same phone calls you're making, next year.


Please list me all these teams in the NBA that have a back up SG with Lou's skill level and 6'5+.

There's a reason he is in the league. The SG position right now is the weakest its been in modern NBA and not every team has the luxury of having a 2 way player there.

Even Atlanta that you use as an example uses line ups where either Teague or Schroeder plays SG.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#211 » by TyCobb » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:14 pm

Williams is a good asset to have. He'll be the reason we snatch up Derozan this offseason.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#212 » by Slava » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:17 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Slava wrote:New Orleans is so battered in the backcourt now, unless their health improves by December, they'd offer something in return for Lou Williams if we put him on the block. I wouldn't be concerned, Lou is a professional unlike Nick Young and $6 mil per season for another 3 is a very movable contract.

Think they would give us Evans? Would you want evans?


They won't trade any rotation player while they are trying to contend. The best you can hope for is Alexis Ajinca and Alonzo Gee if we throw in someone like Black.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#213 » by Slava » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:38 pm

TyCobb wrote:Williams is a good asset to have. He'll be the reason we snatch up Derozan this offseason.


If I have to suffer a season of Nick Young, Lou Williams and Derozan in one team, that's the season I turn my back on the Lakers for good.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#214 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:44 pm

Slava wrote:Please list me all these teams in the NBA that ...


... would want Lou Williams.
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Re: Lou Williams Discussion 

Post#215 » by Slava » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:46 pm

That's as good a cue as any to lock the thread. I'm the farthest thing from a Lou Williams fan and there's many ways to make a case against him but you do not have the capability to construct a coherent one.

In the future, please avoid bumping old threads.
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