A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

Jersey Generals · Post #261 » by **Jersey Generals** » Sun Nov 8, 2015 10:09 pm

lol Is this still a thing?

Post #262 » by **NyCeEvO** » Sun Nov 8, 2015 10:50 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:lol Is this still a thing?

Until he's gone it will always be a thing lol.

Jersey Generals · Post #263 » by **Jersey Generals** » Sun Nov 8, 2015 11:28 pm

He'll be gone after this season, he's giving away a top 10 pick in all likelihood.

Post #264 » by **NyCeEvO** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 1:27 am

Jersey Generals wrote:He'll be gone after this season, he's giving away a top 10 pick in all likelihood.

Sadly, we haven't heard any indication that ownership is even upset with him.

The blog said that there were/are rumors of an extension.

Unbelievable....

MrDollarBills · Post #265 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 2:04 am

Bob Windrem said that ownership pushed to have Garnett in the trade, it was originally Hump/2016 1st for PP

So The Russians are probably not going to make this moron fall on his sword because he did their bidding. They are basketball DUMB. Dave D called this YEARS ago and here we are. Cant blame the players, hell I can't blame the coach (even though he has been a jackass as of late) either.

Net Sentence · Post #266 » by **Net Sentence** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 3:07 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Bob Windrem said that ownership pushed to have Garnett in the trade, it was originally Hump/2016 1st for PP

So The Russians are probably not going to make this moron fall on his sword because he did their bidding. They are basketball DUMB. Dave D called this YEARS ago and here we are. Cant blame the players, hell I can't blame the coach (even though he has been a jackass as of late) either.

BINGO

Why fire the guy who was given marching orders?

King didnt want Kidd, it was forced upon him.

King didnt push for the Celtics trade, the ownership group did.

IF you want to critic King it is because of the Wallace trade. That is only one bad move though. No GM shoots 100%.

Everyone wants a scapegoat but when you realize it's the guy who cuts the checks you cant really complain. The most you are getting from the owner is that he made mistakes and he did that already. I would love nothing more then to have a better owner. As the saying goes, "The baby is ugly but it is ours". If you dont like it then their is only 2 options: Stop watching basketball or pick a new team to follow.

King has already started the rebuild. He got something for KG. He swapped Plumlee for a much younger RHJ. He went with McCullough, a young prospect who isnt likely to contirbute this year, over college seniors which has been his track record when he thought we were a win now team. He didnt extend Karasev despite it being highly likely that the front office wants a Russian player on the team.

There isnt a magic wand that is going to fix this team over night and a new GM isnt going to change that fact.

MrDollarBills · Post #267 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:02 am

King still could have acted like the adult in the room, insisting protections on ALL 1st rd picks sent out. He did not because he did not value them. The GM at the end of the day is supposed to be of sound mind and needs to make moves considering present and future.

Wallace trade? Pick should have never been included. Read up on the deal, Portland was shocked that they were being offered a lottery pick for a player who was glued to their benched. Let that sink in. King got pissed on.

Joe Johnson trade....why was the Nets pick even involved? No one was trading for that contract. NO ONE. The trade could have been a straight salary dump. King got pissed on.

Pierce/KG trade...the Wallace trade compounded the situation added with the Russians pushing for KG to be included. Celtics had to take on extended salary (which they pawned off on Philly) to get the deal done so now swaps and extra picks were included. Maybe King should have had the balls to say 'we need to protect some of these picks'

It wasn't like Boston was losing anything since they were set to rebuild anyway

King is an enabler who devalues assets. The Russians have no idea what they are doing. That's a bad mix.

Net Sentence · Post #268 » by **Net Sentence** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 5:01 am

MrDollarBills wrote:King still could have acted like the adult in the room, insisting protections on ALL 1st rd picks sent out. He did not because he did not value them. The GM at the end of the day is supposed to be of sound mind and needs to make moves considering present and future.

Wallace trade? Pick should have never been included. Read up on the deal, Portland was shocked that they were being offered a lottery pick for a player who was glued to their benched. Let that sink in. King got pissed on.

Joe Johnson trade....why was the Nets pick even involved? No one was trading for that contract. NO ONE. The trade could have been a straight salary dump. King got pissed on.

Pierce/KG trade...the Wallace trade compounded the situation added with the Russians pushing for KG to be included. Celtics had to take on extended salary (which they pawned off on Philly) to get the deal done so now swaps and extra picks were included. Maybe King should have had the balls to say 'we need to protect some of these picks'

It wasn't like Boston was losing anything since they were set to rebuild anyway

King is an enabler who devalues assets. The Russians have no idea what they are doing. That's a bad mix.

Being an adult and being the boss are two very different things. Prokorov is a young billionaire with a very big ego who got where he is by taking chances on the level you and I will never know. The guy is good at just about everything he does. He makes John Travolta character in Swordfish look like a chump for gods sake. He wasnt trying to hear the slow and steady approach. He was already spending a ton in luxury tax so what were another couple of draft picks if he thought this move would make us a legit contender. He was all in.

Ive said it before, getting Johnson wasnt about 2015, it was about 2012-13 and 2013-14. Of course we needed to give them a draft pick. People act like he was playing as poorly as he is now. His final year in Atlanta was great. No one might have traded for that contract but no one on Joe's level were available either. Joe was the same age Horford will be this off season yet I see his name floated often as a free agent target. A first round pick is not a lot to pay for Joe's level of production if that is all that was available and money wasnt an issue.

MrDollarBills · Post #269 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 2:15 pm

The first rd pick was a lot to pay when you consider we needed a PG badly in the draft and that pick ended up being Jerian Grant, who looks like will be starting sooner than later.

Net Sentence · Post #270 » by **Net Sentence** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 3:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The first rd pick was a lot to pay when you consider we needed a PG badly in the draft and that pick ended up being Jerian Grant, who looks like will be starting sooner than later.

Just because we need a PG doesnt mean we should have taken one in the draft. Grant and Wright werent worth drafting. They are both close to their ceilings as players. Grant probably will be starting soon but that speaks more to Calderon being a scrub then Grant being a difference maker.

We did the right thing by drafting the highest upside player left in the draft. RHJ is 3 years younger then both Grant or Wright. By the time he is their age he will be a much better prospect. It's the same thing with McCullough and a reason why we never should have cut Cliff Alexander. If we are going to suck, we might as well have 20 and 21 year old guys who will grow instead of guys like Markel (23 soon to be 24) and Willie Reed (25) who are the equivalent of the mid 20s guy in baseball who is a good minor league player.

pasfru · Post #271 » by **pasfru** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:18 pm

This is a stupid petition.

Yours sincerely,
Celtics fanbase.

MrDollarBills · Post #272 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:19 pm

I have no issue in drafting Chris McC and RJ. I just would have liked to replace Deron with something other than the slop platoon we have.

MrDollarBills · Post #273 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:20 pm

Fruit Pastilles wrote:This is a stupid petition.

Yours sincerely,
Celtics fanbase.

And you're a troll. Reported.

truth18 · Post #274 » by **truth18** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:20 pm

Fruit Pastilles wrote:This is a stupid petition.

Yours sincerely,
Celtics fanbase.

Stop making us look bad, man.

MrDollarBills · Post #275 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:24 pm

truth18 wrote:
Fruit Pastilles wrote:This is a stupid petition.

Yours sincerely,
Celtics fanbase.

Stop making us look bad, man.

You guys are getting seriously annoying. We know you have our pick and the fanbase here is getting beaten down by the ineptitude of our team's management and the suckiness of our players, the last thing we need is to have ass holes from the Celtics board throw it in our faces.

You guys might as well not even post here if you have a Celtics logo in your profile, your post will be flagged for trolling.

But i won't flag you since you didn't do anything wrong, and your signature is from Cowboy Bebop

BNelley24 · Post #276 » by **BNelley24** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:32 pm

I feel terrible for you guys. I've been there with Billy King since I'm a 6ers fan. I saw him back out on a deal that would have sent Larry Hughes to Toronto for McGrady.

We could of had IVERSON & MCGRADY on the same team in their prime god damnit.

I saw him sign mediocre players to monster contracts which scewed us for the long term, I saw him trade away draft picks and never once trading for meaningful draft picks.

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So my question, what exactly can the Nets do going forward to get them out of this situation? Is it simply a waiting game?

kerry kittles · Post #277 » by **kerry kittles** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 5:47 pm

BNelley24 wrote:I feel terrible for you guys. I've been there with Billy King since I'm a 6ers fan. I saw him back out on a deal that would have sent Larry Hughes to Toronto for McGrady.

We could of had IVERSON & MCGRADY on the same team in their prime god damnit.

I saw him sign mediocre players to monster contracts which scewed us for the long term, I saw him trade away draft picks and never once trading for meaningful draft picks.

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So my question, what exactly can the Nets do going forward to get them out of this situation? Is it simply a waiting game?

Didn't know about the possible deal for McGrady. Failing to do that trade and picking Larry Hughes over the next two guys selected, Dirk and Pierce. That must be frustrating as a fan.

I think there's only two real options:
1. overpay young talent that we hope grows into their contract. Example would be Harrison Barnes. He's young, a great shooter, a good athlete. The Warriors might not be willing to match a huge offer for him. He cannot effectively create his own shots, some have questioned his drive - can he really reach that next level. It would be a gamble hoping he can take that next step.

2. Short-term contracts until we can hit reset in 2019. The model would be some of the contracts the Knicks handed out this summer like the Afflalo deal. We could target Eric Gordon on a 1-2 year deal over market value. Keeps cap flexibility going forward and raises the floor so we're not giving away top picks to the C's.

MrDollarBills · Post #278 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 6:07 pm

Pierce should have never dropped that far because he was a beast during his last year at Kansas, the only other wing player I would have taken over him was Vince Carter.

You can definitely fault King for taking Hughes over PP, i think PP's main knock was his lack of athleticism but you could tell the guy was a legit shooter and scorer with good size, Hughes was drafted strictly based off of potential.

lilswift01 · Post #279 » by **lilswift01** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 7:16 pm

I think at this point, the only course of action is to clear some cap space and sign some good players over the next couple of offseasons. Being in Brooklyn should help recruit some talent.

Its crazy how a couple of moves can directly affect the next 4+ years.

Prokorov · Post #280 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 8:51 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Pierce should have never dropped that far because he was a beast during his last year at Kansas, the only other wing player I would have taken over him was Vince Carter.

You can definitely fault King for taking Hughes over PP, i think PP's main knock was his lack of athleticism but you could tell the guy was a legit shooter and scorer with good size, Hughes was drafted strictly based off of potential.

Pierce was a 3 year player and 22 coming out of the draft. he was also said to be a tweener and there were questions on if he could gaurd wings in the NBA.

Larry hughes was just a 1 year player in college... and he was an absolute phenom his 1 year at st. louis. crazy athleticism, ball handling and had a huge ceiling.

i dont think it was a bad pick with hughes over pierce. hindsight makes it look alot worse but its always tough going with an older college guy who isnt super athletic over a freshman college player with unreal athleticism and an a high ceiling.

you could say its a mistake not to take pierce over hughes, but that same logic could be applied to say taking kerry kittles over kobe bryant