Dwight Powell, the Community Assist man

Lord Cuban · Post #1 » by **Lord Cuban** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 11:00 am

Who could have possibly imagined that a filler player thrown into the Rondo trade would exceed the value of the player we originally traded for.

Dwight Powell’s ranks among Mavs after six games: third in scoring (11.3), second in rebounding (8.0), first in blocks (0.7). He played sparingly as a rookie Rondo deal throw-in last season. “There are no big shocks for me,” coach Rick Carlisle said. “He is a hard-playing guy and he is getting experience and getting better.”

If he keep playing like this how much should Cuban give to him in the Next contract?

The "Rajon Rondo trade" has officially been renamed to "Dwight Powell trade"! Rondo was just a throw in. Just like the Howard/Butler-Haywood-Stevenson trade, the "weakest" player in the deal became the most important.

Lord Cuban · Post #2 » by **Lord Cuban** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 11:09 am

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dirkules_41 · Post #3 » by **dirkules_41** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 12:49 pm

Been saying it all year last year, the kid has great potential and needs minutes.

2011Champs · Post #4 » by **2011Champs** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 1:09 pm

Dallas wanted Powell as a throw in as part of the Rondo trade. Someone in the Mavs organization knew about his potential and appears to actually be correct. I really hope once defenses start planning game plans around guarding Powell that he can keep up his current production. I would personally like to keep Powell here long term however I figure Mavs will trade him for an old guy or let him go in a failed pursuit of a big name free agent.

What kind of player does everyone see him being for his career?
10pt 7reb reserve?
20pt 10reb starter?
Eventual RC doghouse victim?
25pt 12reb all star?
Other?

Post #5 » by **Dirk** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 1:41 pm

Still a short sample, but he has been extremely consistent. He no longer has to look over his shoulder. If anything, his minutes will be increased as he continues to blossom and show he is not a liability on the floor. This guy gets it. Put in the work. Showed up stronger. He has been an animal attacking the boards - he has been snatching those balls with reckless abandon. He turned from looking like a finesse big last year, to someone who is not afraid to bruise people now.

At the moment, I just take him 'for granted', as a high energy guy. But he definitely has a high ceiling. We know his shot looks nice(even though his %'s were bad at summer league). Rolls, pops he can do both. We've seen several plays where he shows high iq and nice hands - he had a great undearneath the basket pass to Pachulia. He has a polished all around game, except post ups that I haven't seen. If he was a 20 year old I'd be drooling hah. He is 24.

The only holes that have been noticeable is how he still needs to control his body better on defense, hold his position better, be smarter and on offense he has missed some bad shots at the rim, with and without contact. Considering the trade that brought him here, it'd be really sweet if he established himself. Way too early to think of contract values, but a 11 ppg 8 rpg guy will make 10 million nowadays.

Post #6 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 2:37 pm

2011Champs wrote:Dallas wanted Powell as a throw in as part of the Rondo trade.

Not exactly. Boston was going to have to waive someone anyway to clear a roster spot and it was going to be Powell. Dallas wanted to get a big back since Wright was going out. It was a much a marriage on convenience as anything.

I mean credit to the kid for working his tail off this summer and earning these minutes, but I think we lucked into this one a fair bit quite honestly.

And yeah if I'm wrong on that Donnie or whomever else identified him deserves kudos.

Post #7 » by **Dirk** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 2:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
2011Champs wrote:Dallas wanted Powell as a throw in as part of the Rondo trade.

Not exactly. Boston was going to have to waive someone anyway to clear a roster spot and it was going to be Powell. Dallas wanted to get a big back since Wright was going out. It was a much a marriage on convenience as anything.

I mean credit to the kid for working his tail off this summer and earning these minutes, but I think we lucked into this one a fair bit quite honestly.

And yeah if I'm wrong on that Donnie or whomever else identified him deserves kudos.

I think you have that wrong Chuck. Here's proof:

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Devassa · Post #8 » by **Devassa** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 4:10 pm

Powell has balled all year, but I don't think he is worth much more than the full MLE so far.. Ask yourself if there is anything he does that makes him worth more than Al-Farouq Aminu?

Regardless, I think he is definitely due for some starts if Zaza needs to sit for some reason this season.. Lets hope he keeps continuing to surprise us.

The Sparest · Post #9 » by **The Sparest** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 7:35 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
2011Champs wrote:Dallas wanted Powell as a throw in as part of the Rondo trade.

Not exactly. Boston was going to have to waive someone anyway to clear a roster spot and it was going to be Powell. Dallas wanted to get a big back since Wright was going out. It was a much a marriage on convenience as anything.

I mean credit to the kid for working his tail off this summer and earning these minutes, but I think we lucked into this one a fair bit quite honestly.

And yeah if I'm wrong on that Donnie or whomever else identified him deserves kudos.

If memory serves, Dwight was one of the players Dallas brought in for workouts before the draft that year.

2011Champs · Post #10 » by **2011Champs** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 10:46 pm

Devassa wrote:Powell has balled all year, but I don't think he is worth much more than the full MLE so far.. Ask yourself if there is anything he does that makes him worth more than Al-Farouq Aminu?
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We should have kept Aminu. I was surprised Dallas didn't make a strong effort to keep him. I would consider his worth to be somewhere in the ballpark of Aminu. Powell has more offensive upside and potential than Aminu. Powell actually might be able to be #1 option on offense in a couple of seasons if he continues to improve the way he has been.
I'm 99% sure Aminu will never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense....that being said i would probably trade Parsons straight up for Aminu if given the option. He would have been our new and younger Matrix.

Deus · Post #11 » by **Deus** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:23 pm

6'10 forward averaging 15/8 who is young is going to get some serious offers. GM's see his pontential. Mark will be offering him more than the MLE. Plus, the salaries these days are skyrocketing. Did you see what the Warriors offered Harrison Barnes? 15 million a year. That's what Powell will be getting or at least close to it.

Teffer10 · Post #12 » by **Teffer10** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:11 pm

Powell should be groomed to become Dirk's eventual replacement.
If he continues to develop that is one position we will not need to address in the off season.
Center will be the one position we will need to address in the off season.
If Powell wouldn't have developed this much or doesn't continue to develop throughout the season we will be shopping for a PF and C in the off season which will be tough to do.
IMO, Powell could be a huge piece in making us a true contender next season provided he continues to develop and Center is addressed properly. Hoping McGee can fill that void but definitely not holding my breath.

Devassa · Post #13 » by **Devassa** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:33 pm

Deus wrote:6'10 forward averaging 15/8 who is young is going to get some serious offers. GM's see his pontential. Mark will be offering him more than the MLE. Plus, the salaries these days are skyrocketing. Did you see what the Warriors offered Harrison Barnes? 15 million a year. That's what Powell will be getting or at least close to it.

He averages 10 and 8, not 15 and 8.

If someone offers him anywhere in the 10 million dollar range, he needs to take it and run.. The absolute most I can see him being offered anywhere (including Dallas) is 8 million a year, and even then it is a gamble.

No need to worry though.. Dwight has leverage this offseason in the sense that we need a Dirk successor, RC likes him enough to give him significant PT (rare for any young player in Dallas), and he can actually ball... He isn't going anywhere.

Teffer10 · Post #14 » by **Teffer10** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:45 pm

It is really too early to discuss Powell's value by the end of the season.
A lot of things can happen before now and then...injuries, trades, lack of development, performance, etc....
The discussion about contract/salary should happen with 5 games remaining in the season, not 5 games into the season.

However I do think the subject of his development thus far and role going forward merits discussion.

fuller4379 · Post #15 » by **fuller4379** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:24 pm

2011Champs wrote:
Devassa wrote:Powell has balled all year, but I don't think he is worth much more than the full MLE so far.. Ask yourself if there is anything he does that makes him worth more than Al-Farouq Aminu?
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We should have kept Aminu. I was surprised Dallas didn't make a strong effort to keep him. I would consider his worth to be somewhere in the ballpark of Aminu. Powell has more offensive upside and potential than Aminu. Powell actually might be able to be #1 option on offense in a couple of seasons if he continues to improve the way he has been.
I'm 99% sure Aminu will never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense....that being said i would probably trade Parsons straight up for Aminu if given the option. He would have been our new and younger Matrix.

When Aminu agreed to go to Portland, it appeared as though we had no salary cap space. Jordan and Matthews were supposed to use it all up. The big mistake was not tying him down to 2 years in the original contract.

bobsquad · Post #16 » by **bobsquad** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:26 am

2011Champs wrote:
Devassa wrote:Powell has balled all year, but I don't think he is worth much more than the full MLE so far.. Ask yourself if there is anything he does that makes him worth more than Al-Farouq Aminu?
.

We should have kept Aminu. I was surprised Dallas didn't make a strong effort to keep him. I would consider his worth to be somewhere in the ballpark of Aminu. Powell has more offensive upside and potential than Aminu. Powell actually might be able to be #1 option on offense in a couple of seasons if he continues to improve the way he has been.
I'm 99% sure Aminu will never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense....that being said i would probably trade Parsons straight up for Aminu if given the option. He would have been our new and younger Matrix.

Disagree that Powell's value is in the same ballpark as Aminu's. Aminu looks like he's made strides this season in Portland, arguably the second best player on that 4-4 team.

Then again, Powell has looked like the second best player on our team as well...

Pachulia · Post #17 » by **Pachulia** » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:24 pm

bobsquad wrote:
2011Champs wrote:
Devassa wrote:Powell has balled all year, but I don't think he is worth much more than the full MLE so far.. Ask yourself if there is anything he does that makes him worth more than Al-Farouq Aminu?
.

We should have kept Aminu. I was surprised Dallas didn't make a strong effort to keep him. I would consider his worth to be somewhere in the ballpark of Aminu. Powell has more offensive upside and potential than Aminu. Powell actually might be able to be #1 option on offense in a couple of seasons if he continues to improve the way he has been.
I'm 99% sure Aminu will never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense....that being said i would probably trade Parsons straight up for Aminu if given the option. He would have been our new and younger Matrix.

Disagree that Powell's value is in the same ballpark as Aminu's. Aminu looks like he's made strides this season in Portland, arguably the second best player on that 4-4 team.

Then again, Powell has looked like the second best player on our team as well...

While I will say that Aminu has continued to make strides, I think it becoming clear that CJ MCCollum is the 2nd best player on that team currently-- even if it is only because he is an offensive wizard.

Mr B · Post #18 » by **Mr B** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:03 am

I didn't see anyone mention this but this entire off season Powell has been working with Holger. Obviously I don't think he'll ever be as good as Dirk but if he continues to work with Holger he'll be a very efficient offensive player. If the Mavs can get him resigned I could see him adding some weight and developing a low post game (similar to the way Dirk did). If he continues to improve his shot, and develops a post game he could easily be a 20/10 player within the next 5 years. Especially with the minutes he'll get with Dirk getting older and needing more rest.

When exactly is his contract up? The Mavs should have his Bird rights by the time he's a free agent right?

Lord Cuban · Post #19 » by **Lord Cuban** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:43 am

Good chance he signs with his hometown Raptors if mavs don't extend him soon. I could see the Raptors offering him like 3 years 30 million. Good thing he's restricted so mavs can match but hopefully it doesn't take all our cap space. The NBA is noticing him and even Jeff Van Gundy talked about him during the Clippers-Mavs game.

Lord Cuban · Post #20 » by **Lord Cuban** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:50 am

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