Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins

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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#41 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:03 pm

Also, Jabari Parker has nothing to do with this thread...
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#42 » by Zeitgeister » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:13 pm

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Anteteokounmpo has taken a early lead in this comparison by quite a large margin.

He has 21/7.4/2/1/1 on 66 TS% . He's played some legitimate lockdown defense on Carmelo Anthony too.

Wiggins atm has about 14/4/1 on 40 TS% with pretty bad defense.


:roll:

Why don't you do a comparison between your boy Jabari and Wiggins too?

Jabari
4.0 ppg (.333 TS%), 2.5 rpg
3.3 PER

Wiggins
13.8 ppg(.399 TS%), 3.8 rpg
6.9 PER

Looks like Wiggins is off to an early lead.


You're legitimately one of the worst posters on these boards

You're also making "your boy" look bad, considering that his statline doesn't even look good when compared to Jabari Parker who is averaging 17 minutes on a 2 game sample.



Giannis has an all-star statline, even if Wiggins didn't have a slow start, it's unlikely he'd be averaging 20 points on 60 TS%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Giannis deserves praise, I know it bothers you that Wiggins might not be as good as people told you he was when he was traded to your team.

Give big ups to Giannis, and face it, the whole "Wiggins>Giannis" thing isn't based on anything factual.

Since I know the type of poster you are, that'll be the last response you hear from me since I'm sure you won't say anything of quality.


Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. You're being blatantly dishonest by bumping this thread because Wiggins is clearly not himself right now and frankly, Giannis probably isn't either as he is probably playing over his head. You were also blatantly dishonest on the draft board when you said that Wiggins hadn't been ranked ahead of Jabari since he was 15 and I proved you wrong and you didn't come back to the thread to say anything.


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HeartBreakKid wrote:Insert T-Wolve fan who probably didn't know anything about Wiggins before the draft.

Wiggins was mocked lower than Embiid, the only reason why Embiid fell down the draft rankings is because of injuries.

Wiggins wasn't mocked to go #1 since he was 15...Jabari Parker was a higher rated prospect at that time.

By the time the 2014 draft came around, Parker and Wiggins were pretty much neck to neck in who would go #1 overall.

Karl Towns is a better prospect than Wiggins is.


Pretty sure he's not a Timberwolves fan. BTW, I am a Timberwolves fan and I think Embiid was the better prospect.

https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2013-final

2013 RSCI prospect rankings

Andrew Wiggins
VC 1 ESPN 1 Scout 1 Rivals 1 PrepStars 1 247Sports 1
Jabari Parker
VC 2 ESPN 2 Scout 3 Rivals 4 PrepStars 2 247Sports 6

So according to the major prospect ranking sites Andrew Wiggins was thought superior to Jabari Parker across the board his senior year in high school.


I don't really care if Giannis ends up the better player and I'd certainly admit it if that happens. Giannis is a third year player, Wiggins is second year and you know there is a difference between the two. Not to mention that Giannis is probably playing at least a bit above his head and Wiggins is playing well below expectations.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#43 » by Zeitgeister » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:16 pm

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Milbuck wrote:Yeah, it's not like he's a half-rookie in just his 2nd game coming off an ACL injury, on a 15 mpg minutes restriction or anything. He should be leading the league in scoring.


The point of the comparison went over your head.

My bad, hard not to take you seriously when you go in-depth into the stats and stuff. Figured it was some pre existing beef between you and the other poster.


I was aware that the comparison wasn't particularly fair. I was just pointing out that bumping this thread now isn't honest and I used a player that I know he loves to show that.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#44 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:22 pm

I am def taking Giannis here
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#45 » by H2tObes » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:30 pm

The thing is Giannis isnt playing above his head at all. He is hardly getting fed the ball and is easily getting 20 points with that is given to him.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#46 » by Prez » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:39 pm

H2tObes wrote:The thing is Giannis isnt playing above his head at all. He is hardly getting fed the ball and is easily getting 20 points with that is given to him.

Yeah, nothing he's doing is unsustainable. He's posting up, slashing much more decisively, doing his usual thing in transition, drawing contact and hitting his FTs, hitting jumpers but again not on volume or efficiency that is at all unsustainable, etc. Physically he's quicker and stronger this year, making all of his moves more effective.

He honestly could be scoring more if our moron guards didn't ignore him half the time.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#47 » by Zeitgeister » Sat Nov 7, 2015 8:45 pm

H2tObes wrote:The thing is Giannis isnt playing above his head at all. He is hardly getting fed the ball and is easily getting 20 points with that is given to him.


That may be the case but 21 ppg on .67 TS% is extremely unlikely to be sustainable. He's shooting nearly 70% from 3-10 feet and a high volume of his shots are coming from there. He's also shooting 50% or above from everywhere on the floor. I seriously doubt that is sustainable.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#48 » by H2tObes » Sat Nov 7, 2015 9:28 pm

Well it's funny though because Giannis blows Wiggins out of the water in every other aspect of the game besides scoring at the moment as well, and now that scoring gap is closing greatly. I'm struggling to find much Wiggins has going for him in the comparison
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#49 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:04 am

Wiggins looks more fluid and is roasting Jimmy Butler right now. Must be a fluke, he isn't any good :lol:
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#50 » by Jaivl » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:13 am

Illmatic12 wrote:Wiggins looks more fluid and is roasting Jimmy Butler right now. Must be a fluke, he isn't any good :lol:

That would make Wiggins > LeBron then? :o
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#51 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Nov 8, 2015 12:27 am

Jaivl wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Wiggins looks more fluid and is roasting Jimmy Butler right now. Must be a fluke, he isn't any good :lol:

That would make Wiggins > LeBron then? :o

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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#52 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:28 am

It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#53 » by Johnny Firpo » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:38 am

Right now Giannis is a clearly better player, I mean I don't even think many Wolves fans would deny this. With that said, I think I would gamble on Wiggins' potential, as I think his ceiling on offense is somewhat higher. Both are excellent choices and on an unrelated note, thanks again, Mark (Donnie Nelson was ready to pick him but Cuban talked him out of it...).
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#54 » by Dcebucks11 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:06 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:Right now Giannis is a clearly better player, I mean I don't even think many Wolves fans would deny this. With that said, I think I would gamble on Wiggins' potential, as I think his ceiling on offense is somewhat higher. Both are excellent choices and on an unrelated note, thanks again, Mark (Donnie Nelson was ready to pick him but Cuban talked him out of it...).


I'd take Wiggins too, he's probably going to be an efficient 25+ points per game scorer. I think Giannis will max at 16 - 18 ppg with a decent all around game and decent efficiency, we just have way too many offensive options for Giannis to be taking enough shots. But 25+ ppg is what makes you a superstar. Don't see that in Giannis. He's only taking 12.5 shots per game at insane efficiency that's bound to come down.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#55 » by skones » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:09 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back


Go ahead and bump it, Wiggins is shooting a red hot 40% from the field on the season. Consistency is key.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#56 » by Ambrose » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:44 pm

skones wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back


Go ahead and bump it, Wiggins is shooting a red hot 40% from the field on the season. Consistency is key.


He's been hurt the entire year. Both games he's looked semi-healthy he's dropped 30 and is shooting 26/49 in those two games. I think it's fair to label you as someone who dislikes Wiggins.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#57 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:48 pm

skones wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back


Go ahead and bump it, Wiggins is shooting a red hot 40% from the field on the season. Consistency is key.


This isn't an especially astute post.


With the back injury, he shot under 40% over four straight games. Then he had a better night, then a super-hot night. Of course his seasonal average is going to look skewed low after that... SSS, man; what are you, new? You're better than this, come on, don't troll the thread.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#58 » by skones » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:31 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back


Go ahead and bump it, Wiggins is shooting a red hot 40% from the field on the season. Consistency is key.


This isn't an especially astute post.


With the back injury, he shot under 40% over four straight games. Then he had a better night, then a super-hot night. Of course his seasonal average is going to look skewed low after that... SSS, man; what are you, new? You're better than this, come on, don't troll the thread.


What isn't especially astute? It's factual is it not? After a monster shooting performance in his last game, on high volume, he still is only shooting 40% from the field, which says that the rest of his start to the season has been entirely lackluster and largely based on volume. Consistency, is the backbone of NBA success, so one big performance isn't going to mean Wiggins has suddenly turned the corner. He had one great game and one good half vs. Chicago. Again, consistency is key. None of that is trolling, it's the reality in this league. If anything, asking me if "I'm new," is the only thing that could be considered baiting here, with all due respect.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#59 » by skones » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:35 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:It's only fair that this thread gets bumped.. so many people dumping on Wiggins early this season, while the kid was playing with a bad back


Go ahead and bump it, Wiggins is shooting a red hot 40% from the field on the season. Consistency is key.


He's been hurt the entire year. Both games he's looked semi-healthy he's dropped 30 and is shooting 26/49 in those two games. I think it's fair to label you as someone who dislikes Wiggins.


Or 15 of 22 in his last game, and a pretty bleh 11/27 in the game prior. It's fair to label me as someone who dislikes Wiggins, and the reasons why are well documented on these boards. Lack of handle, lack of jumpshot, questionable feel for the game. To his credit, he was able to get to the line at a far better clip last season than I suspected he would, but he's done nothing to alleviate the other concerns I had with regards to his play. I don't think he'll ever make guys around him better, and his desire to be "the guy," remains in question.
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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo vs Andrew Wiggins 

Post#60 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:32 am

skones wrote:What isn't especially astute? It's factual is it not? After a monster shooting performance in his last game, on high volume, he still is only shooting 40% from the field, which says that the rest of his start to the season has been entirely lackluster and largely based on volume.


Right, but this is either ignorant or disingenuous. Since I'm familiar with you as a poster, I know you aren't sloppy and you're certainly not a fool. So you've got to be intentionally overlooking the contextual factors or coming fresh to this subject, and that's why I'm trying to assess whether you are intentionally trolling this thread or whether you simply screwed up.

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