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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#41 » by Kings2013 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:30 am

Karl is aging, and there might still be animosity from this summer with Cousins

Problem is with the coaching carousel they might be roasted if they make another switch as PaKwAn said.

Not only that but this isn't a tremendously wealthy team, and there might be a cost to these coaching changes..
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#42 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:46 am

jeffjtk1234 wrote:This sounds to me like a coaching issue. Rudy mentioned offensive and defensive schemes also. I doubt there's locker room drama. Sounds like frustration with Karl to me.

DMC said it isn't on the court, which tells me it's fundamental problems with Karl's style. We will see.


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For the knocks on Rudy if you watch him on defense he's usually the one making the intended moves. On one play he had to show Belinelli where to go on a switch after he missed it. Which BTW was a stupid move for him to make a switch around Gay all the way to a different matchup about 15 feet away.

I'm telling you, I've been playing close attention to the defensive end of the floor and many of the bad things we are seeing a combo of no communication and pure crap strategy. The coaching staff is way over gimmicking the defense. I still think they need to dumb it down and switch everything but the center match up like the Warriors do. If someone gets beat the man behind him shows in front. The person beat moves onto the closest match up. On screens, you switch. Done.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#43 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:35 pm

I had a dream the Kings traded Gay/McLemore to the suns for Bledsoe... Then I woke up .....

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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#44 » by bleeds_purple » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:06 pm

City of Trees wrote:I had a dream the Kings traded Gay/McLemore to the suns for Bledsoe... Then I woke up .....

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How about Rondo/Gay/McLemore for Bledsoe/Tucker/Morris. A man can dream.
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Post#45 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:08 pm

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City of Trees wrote:I had a dream the Kings traded Gay/McLemore to the suns for Bledsoe... Then I woke up .....

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How about Rondo/Gay/McLemore for Bledsoe/Tucker/Morris. A man can dream.


Tucker is about done and Morris is a hot head. I like my dream better.

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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#46 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:14 pm

Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#47 » by codydaze » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:38 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.


He's playing more like the trash Poodini right now. He just needs to move the ball, cut out the ISOs and let the offense come to him. I looked up some advanced stats and he's shooting 55% on catch and shoot baskets and only 27.3% on pull up field goals. That's all that needs to be said right there.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#48 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:29 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.


He's playing more like the trash Poodini right now. He just needs to move the ball, cut out the ISOs and let the offense come to him. I looked up some advanced stats and he's shooting 55% on catch and shoot baskets and only 27.3% on pull up field goals. That's all that needs to be said right there.



You do realize that the iso's is a part of the plan right? I mean, that's not Rudy breaking from the system here. Usually he's much better because of the easy baskets he will typically get. The rhythm is not at all there. Right now is where his coach has to help him out a little.
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Post#49 » by City of Trees » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:09 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.


I've never been a huge Rudy fan but agree he's much better than how he's playing.

When was the last time you saw Rudy consistently cut or move without the ball? I'll wait ....

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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#50 » by codydaze » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:20 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.


He's playing more like the trash Poodini right now. He just needs to move the ball, cut out the ISOs and let the offense come to him. I looked up some advanced stats and he's shooting 55% on catch and shoot baskets and only 27.3% on pull up field goals. That's all that needs to be said right there.



You do realize that the iso's is a part of the plan right? I mean, that's not Rudy breaking from the system here. Usually he's much better because of the easy baskets he will typically get. The rhythm is not at all there. Right now is where his coach has to help him out a little.


Coach needs to help him by eliminating ISOs. Whether it's the coach calling the plays are Rudy taking control, it has to stop. I don't if I can take watching him try to drive and lose his handle anymore. He's most effective running off these screens and popping mid range jumpers from the elbow. He's money there, that's his game. I'd also rather him get the ball in the post then on the outside for him to make a dribble move because the defense anticipates his move immediately like 80% of the time. Running off screens, catch and shoot and post play is where Rudy needs to be. Not ISO ball.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#51 » by Kings2013 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:44 am

Still can't account for Rondo playing 48 minutes in a blow out, some serious non coaching there.

I was at the game, he needs to stay fresh it directly affected his play
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Re: RE: Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#52 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:48 am

City of Trees wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Don't give up on Rudy yet. He can Cuz can be the perfect duo when used properly. If they cut the **** and play more of a motion based system rather than a penetration based system and allow Rudy to get come easy hoops off of movement he will mysteriously re-appear. Then he can go back to being the great Rudini.


I've never been a huge Rudy fan but agree he's much better than how he's playing.

When was the last time you saw Rudy consistently cut or move without the ball? I'll wait ....

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Last year under Karl himself. Also, he was making quite a nice pass or two a game for his teammates.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#53 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:50 am

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He's playing more like the trash Poodini right now. He just needs to move the ball, cut out the ISOs and let the offense come to him. I looked up some advanced stats and he's shooting 55% on catch and shoot baskets and only 27.3% on pull up field goals. That's all that needs to be said right there.



You do realize that the iso's is a part of the plan right? I mean, that's not Rudy breaking from the system here. Usually he's much better because of the easy baskets he will typically get. The rhythm is not at all there. Right now is where his coach has to help him out a little.


Coach needs to help him by eliminating ISOs. Whether it's the coach calling the plays are Rudy taking control, it has to stop. I don't if I can take watching him try to drive and lose his handle anymore. He's most effective running off these screens and popping mid range jumpers from the elbow. He's money there, that's his game. I'd also rather him get the ball in the post then on the outside for him to make a dribble move because the defense anticipates his move immediately like 80% of the time. Running off screens, catch and shoot and post play is where Rudy needs to be. Not ISO ball.


He can isolate pretty well and he's made at least half of his career off of it, but I tend to agree. He needs to do both, but a few easy buckets a game will do wonders for his ability to score on iso attempts.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#54 » by Wolfay » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:48 pm

I was at this game, and you know who consistently wasn't running back in transition to defend right when the Spurs were making their run to win the game? Freaking DeMarcus Cousins. When Doug Christie preaches effort on defense on literally every preg,me. halftime and postgame show, that's exactly what he's talking about. It's funny because the timeout before the run he was clapping on his teammates with "Let's go!". Dude looked like a phony, and the crowd in Sleep Train knew it.

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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#55 » by Kings2013 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:53 pm

Wolfay wrote:I was at this game, and you know who consistently wasn't running back in transition to defend right when the Spurs were making their run to win the game? Freaking DeMarcus Cousins. When Doug Christie preaches effort on defense on literally every preg,me. halftime and postgame show, that's exactly what he's talking about. It's funny because the timeout before the run he was clapping on his teammates with "Let's go!". Dude looked like a phony, and the crowd in Sleep Train knew it.

You see a lot of what goes on when you're at the games that you don't see on TV.


Not to make excuses for him but he may not have his rhythm back from being out and or has had some lingering feelings in that Achilles (possibly). Of course maybe one of the things discussed in that meeting is the pace isn't favorable to him, but that is just guessing. Hopefully the play improves
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#56 » by Wolfay » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:00 am

Rhythm has nothing to do with effort, and if the pace is too much for him, then he probably shouldn't have caused the turnover that led to the fastbreak for the Spurs.
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Re: Kings vs Spurs Nov 9, 2015 

Post#57 » by Wolfay » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:10 am

And y'all wanna know why Ben's confidence is completely ruined? Routinely he's left WIDE open in the corner, only to be ignored as if he didn't exist. He's not open just to take the shot in the corner, but also to walk into the paint for a dunk. I'm not exaggerating. The Spurs' strategy was just to guard Cousins, and it worked.
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