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Post#101 » by lin is ok » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:11 pm

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lin is ok wrote: But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.


In general, I feel Batum on the floor with Lin is the best combination as those two could work together beautifully, play off each other, and they could be really synergistic. That was most obvious in the first three games.

However, in the past two games, Batum and Lin has less of that togetherness but more like take turns, and also Batum kind of take more on himself, and Lin defer a lot. Not sure that's coach's decision or somehow it turns out that way, it wasn't working nice, and getting close to antagonise each other.

I think for two dominant ball handlers, the best way for them to work together is to really share the ball and play off each other, that way it becomes multidimensional and way less predictable. But if they only share the ball by taking turns, it will be way less dangerous, and very limited.


whatever but the results show that it is not work
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#102 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:04 pm

ils411 wrote:My 2 cents

Lin is not a single player star.

Lin is a team player.

I've noticed that unlike other scrubs who still scrubs away even when playing with better talent ie the starters, Lin also elevates his play along side better talent when used to his strengths.

Lin can make others better by feeding them and at the same time, he can make himself better by feeding from others. Now pair him with a bunch of scrubs who can't do shyet, and he too wont be able to perform simply because he is team oriented and his type of ball is team ball and when the team sucks, he sucks. Notice how he sucks in ISO and 1-on-1 situations.

Just look at the Kemba-Batum-Lin line up. They play really well and when they have it, they really have it. Its like they are all stars. Now, look at Lin's play with the not so talented 2nd unit and he also sucks like them.

That's the problem with lin, his play is too team oriented. that's how he developed his play style. If he opted to concentrate on a me first type, he would be better. But he didnt' and I think its a little to late to change play styles given his age.

That is why he is the most effective as a ball dominant PG. He will find you open plays and open looks and give you good shots as long as the other players know what they are doing which isn't the case with other scrubs who have zero idea on what to do.

Agreed. Lin isn't that suitable to be a combo guard unfortunately. He's best to be the facilitator with good scorers and scores when he sees openings.

Didn't he work quite well with Roberts tho? It's too bad he's not playing much.
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Post#103 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:18 pm

Lin
Ginobili (can shoot, takes some pressure off handling the ball, would be some spectacular passing between him and Lin)
Carroll (3&D)
AD (PnR, can shoot)
Towns (defense, can shoot/finish)

Coach: Pat Ewing (nice face 8-) )
(J Sloan actually, PnR/D)
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#104 » by bws94 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:47 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:Lin
Ginobili (can shoot, takes some pressure off handling the ball, would be some spectacular passing between him and Lin)
Carroll (3&D)
AD (PnR, can shoot)
Towns (defense, can shoot/finish)

Coach: Pat Ewing (nice face 8-) )
(J Sloan actually, PnR/D)


Pat Ewing? I think Pat might be a guy that favors feeding the post (even though he was a jump shooting center)

No one things that Blake Griffin would be a fantastic player with Lin? Has solid mid-range shot, can run, can receive lobs, can pass. Looks like a great guy with Lin.

I think any coach that features PnR and a good amount of PG involvement is good for Lin. Also one that will tell him to look for his shot. When his shot is falling, he plays best. When he tries to set others up and doesn't shoot much, he's easier to defend and more predictable.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#105 » by fatlever » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:17 pm

Lin
Danny Green
D Carroll
Griffin
Whiteside

Coach: Quin Synder - It is rumored he is a pick and roll genius. Not sure if he would play at a faster pace if he had different players.
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Post#106 » by 13th Man » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:25 pm

On many of these teams, Lin would be the 4th of 5th option. I had to throw in Ed Davis and 50 yr old Tim Duncan to satisfy the criteria just saying.... :)
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Post#107 » by bws94 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:50 pm

fatlever wrote:Lin
Danny Green
D Carroll
Griffin
Whiteside

Coach: Quin Synder - It is rumored he is a pick and roll genius. Not sure if he would play at a faster pace if he had different players.



Tough squad. now get a solid 2nd unit and it goes far in the playoffs.
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Post#108 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:33 pm

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ChokeFasncists wrote:Lin
Ginobili (can shoot, takes some pressure off handling the ball, would be some spectacular passing between him and Lin)
Carroll (3&D)
AD (PnR, can shoot)
Towns (defense, can shoot/finish)

Coach: Pat Ewing (nice face 8-) )
(J Sloan actually, PnR/D)


Pat Ewing? I think Pat might be a guy that favors feeding the post (even though he was a jump shooting center)

It's a joke referring to another thread someone saying Ewing would make a good coach based on him having a nice face. ~lol~ My choice is actually to be Sloan as the coach, who is both great at PnR and D.
No one things that Blake Griffin would be a fantastic player with Lin? Has solid mid-range shot, can run, can receive lobs, can pass. Looks like a great guy with Lin.

I thought about him but so many picked DJ, it'd be like the Clippers.
I think any coach that features PnR and a good amount of PG involvement is good for Lin. Also one that will tell him to look for his shot. When his shot is falling, he plays best. When he tries to set others up and doesn't shoot much, he's easier to defend and more predictable.

Well, it's a balancing act, he's gotta do both to be really unpredictable.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Post#109 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:01 pm

13th Man wrote:On many of these teams, Lin would be the 4th of 5th option. I had to throw in Ed Davis and 50 yr old Tim Duncan to satisfy the criteria just saying.... :)

Hey, Manu ain't spring chicken either, only a year younger than Duncan!

OTOH Towns is still only averaging 15, so you could say I'm cheating a bit there.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#110 » by lin is ok » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:39 am

lin is ok wrote:
TTNN wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.


In general, I feel Batum on the floor with Lin is the best combination as those two could work together beautifully, play off each other, and they could be really synergistic. That was most obvious in the first three games.

However, in the past two games, Batum and Lin has less of that togetherness but more like take turns, and also Batum kind of take more on himself, and Lin defer a lot. Not sure that's coach's decision or somehow it turns out that way, it wasn't working nice, and getting close to antagonise each other.

I think for two dominant ball handlers, the best way for them to work together is to really share the ball and play off each other, that way it becomes multidimensional and way less predictable. But if they only share the ball by taking turns, it will be way less dangerous, and very limited.


whatever but the results show that it is not work


see? Clifford wisen up and although Batum's minutes extended to the 2nd unit . This time he wasn't bring the ball up pretending to be a PG. much better performance by the 2nd unit today. even enough to challenge the wolves 'depleted' starting unit which was wiping our starters.
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Post#111 » by 13th Man » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:58 am

Good to see Lin bounce back today he played with a bit of a chip on his shoulder which was nice to see. His long range was off but he was aggressive and made some clutch baskets down the stretch.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#112 » by Teddyb » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:34 am

If he was hitting from deep he would have scored 30
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Post#113 » by TinmanZBoy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:39 am

Lin played well, scored well... but so far he is far from that dynamic lin we used to see in NY and at times in Houston... He is more like the Lin in Lakers of last season... tentative, freeze offense sometimes...
it's a long season, I hope at some point in this season we will see that dynamic lin again, I am not very optimistic though.., :(
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Post#114 » by leeramundo » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:59 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:Lin played well, scored well... but so far he is far from that dynamic lin we used to see in NY and at times in Houston... He is more like the Lin in Lakers of last season... tentative, freeze offense sometimes...
it's a long season, I hope at some point in this season we will see that dynamic lin again, I am not very optimistic though.., :(


Yeah, even in his good games so far, he hasn't been the same. It's really the aggression that's missing I think, but part of that is the lack of a good roller on the picknroll. He really can't be that aggressive when he's got Hawes screening for him half the time and he hasn't had much PnR's run with Zeller.
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Post#115 » by TinmanZBoy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:20 am

i like the lin running fastbreaks... in this team, you basically see none
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Post#116 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:37 am

Lin/Patty Mills
Danny Green/Lamb
Kawhi/Carroll
Draymond Green/AD/Diaw
Duncan/Ed Davis

Worth mention: Tyson Chandler

FIRST TEAM/SECOND TEAM

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Post#117 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:45 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:i like the lin running fastbreaks... in this team, you basically see none



Solution: juz forget abt Linsanity...

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Post#118 » by phillycheese » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:51 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:i like the lin running fastbreaks... in this team, you basically see none
That's because Clif wants all his guys back for the defensive rebound. Hornets are numbr 1 defensive rebounding team. No one leaks out, therefore, no fast break opportunities unless there was a steal.
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Post#119 » by phillycheese » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:53 am

At least Lin was missing shots but overshooting rather than hitting the front of the rim. Although that airball here was rather embarrassing.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#120 » by JDR720 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:08 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:i like the lin running fastbreaks... in this team, you basically see none

MKG is really the only player we have that does fastbreaks often, he routinely got the defensive rebound and went full court for a layup or dunk.

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