Game 7: Pistons (5-1) @ Warriors (7-0) - Nov. 9, 10:30 PM ET

[hoophabit]

I also wanted to comment on the matter of losing Reggie in the 4th. Some are asserting it wasn't much of a loss given his game to that point. 20 pts and 5 dimes in not nothing, even if he had 6 turns. Further, RJ's pattern is he gets better when it comes to winning time, and this has been evident in more than the Portland game. However, this was going to be a tough game for the Pistons to win in any case, and I'm more concerned about Reggie going forward. Some folks here need to give this whole team a little more time to get acquainted and adjust before flipping out. We didn't return 12 players to our roster. Reggie being okay and SJ starting to figure it out is what this team needs to see going forward.

[DetroitSho]

Was REALLY impressed watching you guys last night. You are one veteran away from really doing damage in this league.....someone who can calm the team down and get them back on track when they veer off a little bit, maybe a PF?? Looks like S Johnson will be the starting SF pretty soon
Good luck the rest of the year

Very astute observation and it's why I think the Pistons need to seriously pursue Al Horford in free agency. I think he'd fit great and could be a vet leader. Whether he'd come? Who knows. In the meantime I want Taj Gibson because Ilyasova is on that ole BULLs**t right now.

[Arp590]

The Pistons need a Shaun Livingston more than a Brandon Jennings, just a more effective game manager that plays solid defense. Reggie needs the ball in his hands, I just don't see Jennings being all that helpful for us. He is a streaky scorer and I don't think the minutes will be there to get his hotter streaks because Reggie commands so many himself. I think Meeks is a bigger loss to the team right now.
I hope I'm 100% wrong though and Jennings balls out.

What exactly is Shaun Livingston going to do? We need someone that can come in and create their own shot, and create for others.
Even if Jennings shoots 40% doing it, our current backup PG is shooting 26% and doesn't create for anyone.

RipCity stated in his post what a Shaun Livingston could (should) do:

Play solid D and manage the game (& offense) better than what we currently have.

People generally under-rate the value of veteran leadership, how important poise is during a game, how important managing an offense is.

Quick example:

RJ comes down and takes a quick jumper with 18 seconds left on the shot clock

KCP comes down and does the same thing on the next possession.

Morris jacks it up on the next one.

RJ does it again on the one after that.

Poor play by all and SVG would be livid...but who is to blame? One of those 4 (in my scenario I'd go Morris) should have stopped the crap but it depends...

No vets means we see a lot of poor possessions - for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean we forget them and no one takes the blame. It means we need better management from all our guys.

Except we have a veteran on our bench, his name is Steve Blake. It doesn't come down to that, it comes down to talent. Outside of Stanley, our bench is extremely lacking in talent.
Shaun Livingston can come in and "manage the game" but that isn't going to change the fact that nobody on our bench can score unless they are spoon-fed a basket...
This teams glaring weakness above all else is a bench scorer that can also create for others.

We're talking about strictly fixing the bench unit here.

[Neptune]

We played hard for 3 quarters then we gave up in the 4th. 80 million dollar man was playing like a 2-guard not a PG again too.

Man, we need a starting caliber 4 in the worst way possible if we plan on competing throughout this season. Illysova is ttuu urrriibbbllleeeee!

Man how were you a fan of Josh Smith and moose but hate on Drummond(posts in the pat) and Reggie..? Reggie is our go to guy and has been playing phenomenal at the 1. If you watch any of the games he is clearly not a "2-Guard"


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Rasheed, your one of my guys. But remember this. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hate on Drummond.

I said Reggie's playing like a 2-guard. He had like 4ast and 5 turnovers last game. Also, look how many assists he's averaging this season. That's not PG'ish, that very combo-guard/2-guard'ish.

[DetroitSho]

We played hard for 3 quarters then we gave up in the 4th. 80 million dollar man was playing like a 2-guard not a PG again too.

Man, we need a starting caliber 4 in the worst way possible if we plan on competing throughout this season. Illysova is ttuu urrriibbbllleeeee!

Man how were you a fan of Josh Smith and moose but hate on Drummond(posts in the pat) and Reggie..? Reggie is our go to guy and has been playing phenomenal at the 1. If you watch any of the games he is clearly not a "2-Guard"


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Rasheed, your one of my guys. But remember this. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hate on Drummond.

I said Reggie's playing like a 2-guard. He had like 4ast and 5 turnovers last game. Also, look how many assists he's averaging this season. That's not PG'ish, that very combo-guard/2-guard'ish.

If APG is your determination of a good PG or not then you know even less about the game than I thought. You also must didn't like Chauncey very much either.

[Blkbrd671]

RipCity stated in his post what a Shaun Livingston could (should) do:

Play solid D and manage the game (& offense) better than what we currently have.

People generally under-rate the value of veteran leadership, how important poise is during a game, how important managing an offense is.

Quick example:

RJ comes down and takes a quick jumper with 18 seconds left on the shot clock

KCP comes down and does the same thing on the next possession.

Morris jacks it up on the next one.

RJ does it again on the one after that.

Poor play by all and SVG would be livid...but who is to blame? One of those 4 (in my scenario I'd go Morris) should have stopped the crap but it depends...

No vets means we see a lot of poor possessions - for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean we forget them and no one takes the blame. It means we need better management from all our guys.

isn't jennings considered a veteran?

[Blkbrd671]

I think Baynes should take more jumpshots. It would add more dynamic to the bench. I'm happy about watching Stanley today. That was a pleasure because he was due a good game. People are asleep on him. He'll out of the blue soon enough. If not now then in a month when Jennings gets back. He's got it. Just needs some momentum and I think tonight's game gave him just that.

i hope your right , loved that 3 at the end

That floater tells me he's got a soft touch. I've seen it over and over again. He's got a soft touch on the ball the way a playmaker has. I think he can really score but I also think he can pass which I haven't seen yet. I saw it in Summer League. He can pass! I'm very excited to watch him play against Sacto, a much easier opponent when we'll have energy to take on an early lead. I want to see Stanley handle the ball.

One thing to consider is that SJ is adjusting to the NBA which is new to any rookie. He uncharacteristically hasn't been as aggressive til this game. I am hoping he can have another good game off the pnr that it forces SVG to give him more looks

[kurtis48239]

We played hard for 3 quarters then we gave up in the 4th. 80 million dollar man was playing like a 2-guard not a PG again too.

Man, we need a starting caliber 4 in the worst way possible if we plan on competing throughout this season. Illysova is ttuu urrriibbbllleeeee!

Man how were you a fan of Josh Smith and moose but hate on Drummond(posts in the pat) and Reggie..? Reggie is our go to guy and has been playing phenomenal at the 1. If you watch any of the games he is clearly not a "2-Guard"


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Rasheed, your one of my guys. But remember this. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hate on Drummond.

I said Reggie's playing like a 2-guard. He had like 4ast and 5 turnovers last game. Also, look how many assists he's averaging this season. That's not PG'ish, that very combo-guard/2-guard'ish.

Imean jackson does take over games from time to time,but its for good reason,the kid is usually in god mode finishing at the rim or hitting shots,but you cant blame jackson if guys arent hitting shots,it also is the ball movement.But jackson is a fine pg,who has good vision and passing.Jackson bread and butter is dre,who was being doubled and trippled teamed last night.

[Pharaoh]

What exactly is Shaun Livingston going to do? We need someone that can come in and create their own shot, and create for others.
Even if Jennings shoots 40% doing it, our current backup PG is shooting 26% and doesn't create for anyone.

RipCity stated in his post what a Shaun Livingston could (should) do:

Play solid D and manage the game (& offense) better than what we currently have.

People generally under-rate the value of veteran leadership, how important poise is during a game, how important managing an offense is.

Quick example:

RJ comes down and takes a quick jumper with 18 seconds left on the shot clock

KCP comes down and does the same thing on the next possession.

Morris jacks it up on the next one.

RJ does it again on the one after that.

Poor play by all and SVG would be livid...but who is to blame? One of those 4 (in my scenario I'd go Morris) should have stopped the crap but it depends...

No vets means we see a lot of poor possessions - for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean we forget them and no one takes the blame. It means we need better management from all our guys.

Except we have a veteran on our bench, his name is Steve Blake. It doesn't come down to that, it comes down to talent. Outside of Stanley, our bench is extremely lacking in talent.
Shaun Livingston can come in and "manage the game" but that isn't going to change the fact that nobody on our bench can score unless they are spoon-fed a basket...
This teams glaring weakness above all else is a bench scorer that can also create for others.

We're talking about strictly fixing the bench unit here.

Blake is not the kind of player you want managing the game off the bench!

IF Jennings comes back and looks to be more of a set up man then that would go a long way to solving the problem.

I've repeatedly stated we need more dudes that can create - time will tell if SVG can fill out the bench to "fix" all our weaknesses

[Han Solo]

929 posts for a 10:30 game hahaha.. wow

[Shady_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns-ZqpqGIuE

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[Neptune]

Man how were you a fan of Josh Smith and moose but hate on Drummond(posts in the pat) and Reggie..? Reggie is our go to guy and has been playing phenomenal at the 1. If you watch any of the games he is clearly not a "2-Guard"


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Rasheed, your one of my guys. But remember this. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hate on Drummond.

I said Reggie's playing like a 2-guard. He had like 4ast and 5 turnovers last game. Also, look how many assists he's averaging this season. That's not PG'ish, that very combo-guard/2-guard'ish.

If APG is your determination of a good PG or not then you know even less about the game than I thought. You also must didn't like Chauncey very much either.

No, APG doesn't determine a good PG. But there's a difference in PG's man. Let me put you on game young'n.

You have your playmaking 1's like Paul, Wall, Jennings, Westbrook and Lawson who have high APG's. Then you have combo-guard/scoring guards like Curry, Knight, Bledsoe, Billups and Reggie. You can win with either.

Imean jackson does take over games from time to time,but its for good reason,the kid is usually in god mode finishing at the rim or hitting shots,but you cant blame jackson if guys arent hitting shots,it also is the ball movement.But jackson is a fine pg,who has good vision and passing.Jackson bread and butter is dre,who was being doubled and trippled teamed last night.

Yeah, Jackson has been hot offensively, I agree 100%. Jackson should be having a fiesta of assists to Marcus Morris as well. Shoot, that guy is hungry and he's ready to prove his worth!

[mercury]

NE1 catch this?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14095219

[Eoghan]

Not a bad effort. A little disappointed in the PnR game from RJ and Dre and I thought they gambled too much instead of getting back on D but overall they gave the Warriors a formidable opponent.

[Blkbrd671]

Not a bad effort. A little disappointed in the PnR game from RJ and Dre and I thought they gambled too much instead of getting back on D but overall they gave the Warriors a formidable opponent.

i think there fine in that department. in the first half warriors intial inbound pass was to the half court numerous times. They were purposely trying to run the pistons knowing they coming off back to backs

[Prius]

Where the hell did all this posting activity come from?

[Pharaoh]

Where the hell did all this posting activity come from?

Comes from the fact we're actually a SVG team and people are surprised that we're getting the results we are.

A lot of people seem to think there is some magic bullet coaches or executives can shoot that magically turns a disaster into a legit contender - it takes years to do that!

SVG and his staff have turned a **** of epic proportions into a team that fits in less than 18 months! That's phenomenal! I don't think people appreciate what he actually walked into and therefore don't appreciate the monumental job he's already completed!

Next step is obvious: upgrade the bench with key vets that can hold it down - and a lot of people want that done ASAP without realizing its a process.

You don't throw Bullock out there for 20 minutes in 1 game and if he fails that's all she wrote - TIME is on our side and we seem to have a plan and are working accordingly - it ain't sexy but I believe it's reality

[bballnmike]

Where the hell did all this posting activity come from?

People like you?