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HornetJail · Post #201 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 9:33 pm

because Frank hasn't even got a chance to play.

I'm one of the last people to say that the pick was a good one, but he does have a chance to be a good player in his own right, that should eventually be a starting caliber player. But outside of hilarious Twitter conversations, Frank is essentially invisible because he barely gets off the bench.

We are really going to regret passing on Winslow/Boston's offer (especially if a Brooklyn pick was involved). No two ways about that one. Frank may even end up as a mid-tier starting PF someday, but Winslow or a Brooklyn pick is an elite level prospect. If the 16th pick was one of the picks that Boston would've given us, we probably could have snagged Kaminsky there honestly. I don't see a single team that would've drafted him in that range but us.

Post #202 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 9:49 pm

I'd give more than 6 games into his rookie season before judging Frank's player value.

amcoolio · Post #203 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 10:07 pm

True, but we said this about Vonleh last year. when was the last time we had a breakout player after a start like this. Never. Our track record is 0.0 percent.

Hell Frank was the most NBA ready player in the draft! Porzingis was supposed to be raw. Do I believe Frank can put up Porzingis numbers? Yes, but this is Clifford and the front office. Frank will play very little this season and we'll be laughed at again for failing terribly at the draft.

I'm more mad at the coaching staff and front office than Frank. If we just started Frank instead of Hairston, and put him in the Marvin Williams role of rebounding that MKG had, then Frank would have very decent stats. The man is already elite at 3PT shooting and has been moving around well on D. Now Marvin being able to play SF and guard like Hairston has, we don't know how that would work. But why not give it a shot.

amcoolio · Post #204 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Nov 9, 2015 10:31 pm

**Semi Sarcastic Rant***

This is all because of Bismack Biyombo. Had we just taken Lenoard which we liked until Biz had that good game in that stupid nike hoop summit, we would have had a great defensive SF right off the bat. The next year, we didn't take Drummond who Higgins reportedly really liked because Cho thought Biz and Andre couldn't work together. Instead we took MKG because we had a gaping hole at SF. Next year comes along and have to take Zeller because Biz, now going into his 3rd year, was still just as hopeless offensively as when he came into the league, so we figure Zeller should pair nicely with Biz (this is actually ok, because I'm sure we would have taken McLemore who is a massive bust.)

So Cho's eventual downfall in Charlotte will be because Biyombo showed up for a stupid exhibition game in 2011. Thanks Biz

Post #205 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:41 am

MIN up 16 on ATL on the road midway through the second quarter. Wow.

Liver_Pooty · Post #206 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:58 am

yosemiteben wrote:MIN up 16 on ATL on the road midway through the second quarter. Wow.

That team has the tools to be special.

Eoghan · Post #207 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:12 am

fatlever wrote:Fair to say the Blazers did an awful job defending the Jackson/Drummond pick and roll?

There isn't a way to defend their PnR if the other guys are shooting okay. Drummond looks like he can get his hook shot off against virtually everyone (his post game seriously looks more advanced than Orlando Dwight) and Reggie has been December Kemba, super saiyan version during the 4th quarters. Detroit was decent offensively all game, mostly riding Drummond in the post but Portland looked like ATL until the 4th quarter when Detroit ratcheted up the defensive intensity big time and Portland crumbled/got key passes anticipated.

Detroit is a well-rounded team but they lack some depth. Their best backup PG is a rusty Steve Blake and that's problematic offensively. Jackson seems to be coasting until crunch time just to keep Blake or Dinwiddie off the floor which makes Jackson look hesitant/lazy. Jennings coming back can be huge for Detroit if it means RJ doesn't have to hold back.

KCP and Marcus Morris are solid wings, though a bit inconsistent. On his best night, KCP looks like an all-world 3&D player. Morris looks like Glenn Robinson at times and provides a nice iso-mismatch option in the half-court. At worst they're solid defensively and not too turnover prone but susceptible to off shooting nights. Stanley Johnson subs in either spot, usually SG. Mostly focuses on defense and gets his offense in transition, struggling a bit with scoring on guys he can't overpower or out quick but learning.

Ilyasova has been fairly meh but he doesn't make mistakes much and hits the occasional three to help space the floor for Drummond. Usually gets a charge a game, does a bit of dirty work and little things like Zeller. Tolliver tends to replace him down the stretch to combat small-ball lineups and he's basically been Marvin WIlliams (maybe not quite as good). Baynes has been a solid get for Detroit and does a good job of reducing the drop-off when Drummond goes out with foul trouble. Very physical, works in the flow of the offense and hits the occasional jumpshot. The 2nd unit isn't good offensively but can be very stout defensively and Baynes is a big part of that.

Post #208 » by **fatlever** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:30 am

Certainly some of that run had to do with Lillard being of the worst defenders in the league, right? The only answer we had for the Pistons p/r last year was sticking MKG on Jackson. No clue how we defend them this year.

Braggins · Post #209 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:38 am

Defenses are terrified of lobs to Drummond when they run the pick and roll. He sucks all the defenders to him when he rolls to the basket.

My favorite non-Hornets teams right now are Detroit, Orlando, and Minnesota.

Braggins · Post #210 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:41 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:...

That avatar though lol

Do you happen to watch The Eric Andre Show?

HornetJail · Post #211 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:47 am

^ Nah, Sachmo made the sig because we bet on whether Hawes and Al would both be on the roster on opening night lol

Post #212 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:57 am

If you guys think Hawes has been bad, go look up how McRoberts has been playing for MIA. Anyone know what's going on there?

Braggins · Post #213 » by **Braggins** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:04 am

yosemiteben wrote:If you guys think Hawes has been bad, go look up how McRoberts has been playing for MIA. Anyone know what's going on there?

Man-bun curse?

Eoghan · Post #214 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:04 am

fatlever wrote:Certainly some of that run had to do with Lillard being of the worst defenders in the league, right? The only answer we had for the Pistons p/r last year was sticking MKG on Jackson. No clue how we defend them this year.

More to do with Drummond outweighing Leonard and Plumlee and looking like a man amongst boys. Lillard and their guards would play token defense for the most part but Dre just beats everyone for rebounds. He's a handful.

Snidely FC · Post #215 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:42 pm

Seems this time every year I am feeling jealous of a handful of other teams that have an exciting young core. If you could switch rosters with one young team which would you rather have as the Hornets roster and why?

Utah Jazz
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Orlando Magic
Milwaukee Bucks
Philadelphia 76ers
Denver Nuggets
Detroit Pistons
Other?

for me its Utah. I totally envy a few teams and their amazing draft picks this year, Emmanual Mudiay, Kristaps Porzingis, Justice Winslow. And Andre Drummond is off the hook. But for a core roster, I think I'd be most excited to root for Utah. I love the balanced group of Dante Exum, Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Derrick Favors & Rudy Gobert.

Which team's young roster would you choose?

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #216 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:12 pm

Minnesota without a doubt, though a number of those teams have cores that I really like.

Post #217 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:17 pm

Balanced rosters are overrated if you tank IMO - you can build a nice balanced roster without tanking. If I'm going through a prolonged tank I damn well better be getting a star out of it. From that perspective, I think MIN wins.

HornetJail · Post #218 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:26 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Seems this time every year I am feeling jealous of a handful of other teams that have an exciting young core. If you could switch rosters with one young team which would you rather have as the Hornets roster and why?

Utah Jazz
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Orlando Magic
Milwaukee Bucks
Philadelphia 76ers
Denver Nuggets
Detroit Pistons
Other?

for me its Utah. I totally envy a few teams and their amazing draft picks this year, Emmanual Mudiay, Kristaps Porzingis, Justice Winslow. And Andre Drummond is off the hook. But for a core roster, I think I'd be most excited to root for Utah. I love the balanced group of Dante Exum, Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Derrick Favors & Rudy Gobert.

Which team's young roster would you choose?

In order:

Wolves
Pistons
Jazz
Bucks
Magic
Blazers
76ers
Nuggets

I wouldn't trade our roster for any of those last five. The Wolves and Pistons have budding superstars and therefore they are on top. I would gladly trade most of our roster for Wiggins or Drummond. Can't say that about anyone else.

MasterIchiro · Post #219 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:54 pm

Wolves
Jazz

I'm iffy on the rest. There's some talent there but nothing overwhelming.

Post #220 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:14 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Seems this time every year I am feeling jealous of a handful of other teams that have an exciting young core. If you could switch rosters with one young team which would you rather have as the Hornets roster and why?

Utah Jazz
Portland Trailblazers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Orlando Magic
Milwaukee Bucks
Philadelphia 76ers
Denver Nuggets
Detroit Pistons
Other?

for me its Utah. I totally envy a few teams and their amazing draft picks this year, Emmanual Mudiay, Kristaps Porzingis, Justice Winslow. And Andre Drummond is off the hook. But for a core roster, I think I'd be most excited to root for Utah. I love the balanced group of Dante Exum, Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Derrick Favors & Rudy Gobert.

Which team's young roster would you choose?

Ranked

1. Wolves - two best franchise players out of all the teams listed - Towns/Wiggins

(massive gap)

2. Pistons - 3rd best franchise player - Drummond
3. Jazz
4. Magic
5. Bucks
6. 76ers
7. Celtics
8. Blazers
9. Lakers
10. Nuggets (would be below Celtics and Lakers for me - not a fan at all of this roster)