Progression of JV

[Steelo Green]

Just to piggie-back, don't like using these raw stats since his minutes have increased every year and so has our PACE.

Total Rebounding %: 14.9 -> 18.2 -> 19.1 -> 19.8 (DJ led the league last year at 24.5%)
Turnover %: 17.4 -> 14.7 -> 12.4 -> 11.6
Usage %: 16.9 -> 18.5 -> 19.1 -> 19.1 (MOAR!!)

I'm not a big stats guy, but how does his defensive stats look? Defense was the main reason why his MPG was being held back.

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

I am intrigued to see what it was like prior to Carroll going down. Still, he is not a good defensive center. Could be adjustment to the system, but disappointed from what I have seen from that side so far this season.

[DG88]

Patience people, the coaching staff said it repeatedly. It was going to take time and he still has room to grow.

[Hero_Panda]

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

That's too bad. Maybe it will improve as the season goes on but I had high hopes on Andy Greer improving JV's defense.

[CoachJReturns]

His rebounding and his scoring efficiency has bden great. The guy should be getting a few more field goal attempts a game though.

[CoachJReturns]

I'm not a big stats guy, but how does his defensive stats look? Defense was the main reason why his MPG was being held back.

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

I am intrigued to see what it was like prior to Carroll going down. Still, he is not a good defensive center. Could be adjustment to the system, but disappointed from what I have seen from that side so far this season.

Given his lack of quickness, for him to be a mediocre defender is never much of a surprise. Needs to play beside a pf who can provide some help defense.

[Hero]

Is there a reason you left our assist numbers and blocks OP?

[DUNPHY]

Am I the only one that thinks 4 years is way to long to get to that point!? JV couldve easily been averaging 15/10 by his third year if he he had the right coaching!


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[Alfred]

I am happy with his progression. If you told me following the draft that he was going to be a 15/10 guy in his 4th year on great efficiency, I'd definitely be happy with that.

He has holes in his game, but I think he's the long term C for this franchise, and that's a good thing.

[djsunyc]

Am I the only one that thinks 4 years is way to long to get to that point!? JV couldve easily been averaging 15/10 by his third year if he he had the right coaching!


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well coach is trying to balance winning and development. alot of guys can put up the #'s but their teams don't win anything. JV might have been a 20/10 guy already but we could also have won 25 games a year in the process. look at bargs 21ppg season.

[DUNPHY]

Am I the only one that thinks 4 years is way to long to get to that point!? JV couldve easily been averaging 15/10 by his third year if he he had the right coaching!


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well coach is trying to balance winning and development. alot of guys can put up the #'s but their teams don't win anything. JV might have been a 20/10 guy already but we could also have won 25 games a year in the process. look at bargs 21ppg season.

JV would never be the reason that we average 25 wins though lol... He wouldve probably got us passed 50 if used properly last season! Bargnani is so much more worse than JV it shouldnt even be a comparison lol


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[redraptors]

I havent posted in years. I find this one interesting because Yahoo had an article a few days ago regarding Jonas.
The article was actually showing the HUGE improvement the team has undergone with the new system and with Jonas on the floor.
The teams Offensive rating while he is on the floor is above 110. Defensive rating with him on or off the floor is pretty much identical .
Which is a huge change vs last year and the year before. I will see if I can find that article. Surprised no one else read it.

[hsb]

Just to piggie-back, don't like using these raw stats since his minutes have increased every year and so has our PACE.

Total Rebounding %: 14.9 -> 18.2 -> 19.1 -> 19.8 (DJ led the league last year at 24.5%)
Turnover %: 17.4 -> 14.7 -> 12.4 -> 11.6
Usage %: 16.9 -> 18.5 -> 19.1 -> 19.1 (MOAR!!)

I'm not a big stats guy, but how does his defensive stats look? Defense was the main reason why his MPG was being held back.

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

His DFG% is actually lower than last year and is better than Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler and Spltter. It's also tied with Dwight Howard.

[Kabookalu]

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

That's too bad. Maybe it will improve as the season goes on but I had high hopes on Andy Greer improving JV's defense.

Greer was brought on to implement blue/ice defense into our defensive schematics, which I don't think helped Jonas at all because from what I've seen he still drops back way too much on pick and rolls no matter what the play is. I was hoping things would change with Jonas defensively, but it's only made him worse as our new defensive plays has actually taken away from his strengths.

With that said our top 2 man lineup defensively is Jonas Valanciunas and Cory Joseph. This isn't exactly the best stat to look at in isolation (the 3rd best 2 man lineup defensively is Patrick Patterson and Jonas after all), though what it tells me is that Jonas is competent enough when paired alongside a great defensive guard like Joseph who's excellent at fighting through screens which can sometimes negate Jonas' lack of ability to defend these plays.

[CrookedJ]

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

That's too bad. Maybe it will improve as the season goes on but I had high hopes on Andy Greer improving JV's defense.

Greer was brought on to implement blue/ice defense into our defensive schematics, which I don't think helped Jonas at all because from what I've seen he still drops back way too much on pick and rolls no matter what the play is. I was hoping things would change with Jonas defensively, but it's only made him worse as our new defensive plays has actually taken away from his strengths.

With that said our top 2 man lineup defensively is Jonas Valanciunas and Cory Joseph. This isn't exactly the best stat to look at in isolation (the 3rd best 2 man lineup defensively is Patrick Patterson and Jonas after all), though what it tells me is that Jonas is competent enough when paired alongside a great defensive guard like Joseph who's excellent at fighting through screens which can sometimes negate Jonas' lack of ability to defend these plays.

Is dropping back not what the big man is supposed to give up when we are running blue? Its the ball handler's man that needs to force away from the screen. The big man drops to ensure no easy path to the bucket for either, but willing to concede the jump shot to the other big.

[Kabookalu]

That's too bad. Maybe it will improve as the season goes on but I had high hopes on Andy Greer improving JV's defense.

Greer was brought on to implement blue/ice defense into our defensive schematics, which I don't think helped Jonas at all because from what I've seen he still drops back way too much on pick and rolls no matter what the play is. I was hoping things would change with Jonas defensively, but it's only made him worse as our new defensive plays has actually taken away from his strengths.

With that said our top 2 man lineup defensively is Jonas Valanciunas and Cory Joseph. This isn't exactly the best stat to look at in isolation (the 3rd best 2 man lineup defensively is Patrick Patterson and Jonas after all), though what it tells me is that Jonas is competent enough when paired alongside a great defensive guard like Joseph who's excellent at fighting through screens which can sometimes negate Jonas' lack of ability to defend these plays.

Is dropping back not what the big man is supposed to give up when we are running blue? Its the ball handler's man that needs to force away from the screen. The big man drops to ensure no easy path to the bucket for either, but willing to concede the jump shot to the other big.

Yeah, but even Jonas does it too much from what I've seen. I know we're supposed to encourage mid range jumpers, but not completely undefended wide open ones.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I'm not a big stats guy, but how does his defensive stats look? Defense was the main reason why his MPG was being held back.

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

His DFG% is actually lower than last year and is better than Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler and Spltter. It's also tied with Dwight Howard.

They didnt update last nights game when I had looked last (he was 1.0 after 7 games), hes officially at break even vs avgs (-.8 vs last year).

[vini_vidi_vici]

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

That's too bad. Maybe it will improve as the season goes on but I had high hopes on Andy Greer improving JV's defense.

Greer was brought on to implement blue/ice defense into our defensive schematics, which I don't think helped Jonas at all because from what I've seen he still drops back way too much on pick and rolls no matter what the play is. I was hoping things would change with Jonas defensively, but it's only made him worse as our new defensive plays has actually taken away from his strengths.

With that said our top 2 man lineup defensively is Jonas Valanciunas and Cory Joseph. This isn't exactly the best stat to look at in isolation (the 3rd best 2 man lineup defensively is Patrick Patterson and Jonas after all), though what it tells me is that Jonas is competent enough when paired alongside a great defensive guard like Joseph who's excellent at fighting through screens which can sometimes negate Jonas' lack of ability to defend these plays.

The weird thing is we rarely ICE for JV (in exclusive terms), I think its more dependent on the G match up. Ex: in the BOS game they did it to Evan Turner almost every possession he initiated.

[hsb]

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

His DFG% is actually lower than last year and is better than Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler and Spltter. It's also tied with Dwight Howard.

They didnt update last nights game when I had looked last (he was 1.0 after 7 games), hes officially at break even vs avgs (-.8 vs last year).

Synergy has 9 games played. He's lower than last year, the opposite of being way up. I don't know where you got that but it's lower. He actually has a better DFG differential than BB, who faces bench players more as well.

[dagger]

One interesting bit of progression: JV is muscling a lot of tough rebounds in traffic. There are easy rebounds to get out there, and tough ones- a man's rebounds - and he's getting a lot of the latter. Very little stat padding.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I'm not a big stats guy, but how does his defensive stats look? Defense was the main reason why his MPG was being held back.

Pretty bad this year. Rim Protection/DFG% way up over last yr.

I am intrigued to see what it was like prior to Carroll going down. Still, he is not a good defensive center. Could be adjustment to the system, but disappointed from what I have seen from that side so far this season.

Hes actually improved without DMC in the lineup. It doesnt hurt he played Lopez/Okafor either (two fairly mediocre Cs offensively, thus far).