Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[13th Man]

Heh having some fun with some Lin haters who said how Goran Dragic is 10 times the player Lin is and both players got paid accordingly. Still early in the season, but i've long suspected that Goran was another ball dominant player and now that he has to be 3rd option behind Bosh and Wade it'll heavily impact his stats. Now Goran has had stronger stats the past few years but he's always played in a free wheeling system that fit his skillset, and i personally never thought Lin was ever that far behind him if only he played in a system that suited him. One got a max contract and the other got 2 mil, it's crap like this that pisses me off about the various negative narratives that have impacted Lin's career.

Yeah but we can't rag on Goran for getting what he can get. Lin took a huge pay cut to prove and up his worth after the last 2 dismal seasons. His intention is certainly not to settle in as a 2M player in the long run so that's where he's at right now....trying to set himself up for the new CBA.

Don't really think lin is looking for that huge pay check just for the money. IMO, he took that huge pay cut to set himself up for next season not to get that huge contract for the "money" but to get that huge contract for his "self worth". Remember, a player's value is what the market dictates it is and if Lin get's offered a really good contract, then that is vindication of his place in the NBA. Even better if he gets multiple good offers.

Some would say that this kind of thinking is stupid and a player's value and self worth is what he believes it to be, but he gets called a scrub, over rated, not belonging in the nba and other shyet that getting a huge contract next season is a way of making a statement that he isn't a scrub and that he does belong in the NBA.

Good point, didn't think of that angle. He could be chasing self-worth first and foremost and the $ is just a supporting mechanism to justify it.

[spaceballer]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

[ils411]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

eh..I wouldn't worry too much with Lin's minutes.

think of it this way, in what minutes he gets, he makes the most of it. If he can sustain this type of productivity and efficiency, there is little doubt in my mind that hell get some really good offers next season.

Plus lets not forget that the last two games, Lin has been left to close out the games. Meaning, Cliff as acknowledged lins skills and ability to close out games by letting him do so. In very close games, the best players are left in the game, and Lin has been on the floor during clutch time more often than not. That in itself is better than any additional 2-3 minutes.

[Lorenzomax7]

[bws94]

there's some push from the lin supporters to have lin's minutes increase in the 1st quarter, cause he is coming in real late. Impossible for him to get in rhythm. what do you guys think? There's a side of me which is ok with it , but another that thinks that they are correct.

LIn has looked great the last 2 games. When did he have problems getting into rhythm. Some folks should just relax and enjoy that he's a major contributor to the Hornets winning. He's making the most of his minutes and he has a lot of energy when he comes in.

[bws94]

Kemba had 27 mins actually. But yea, kinda surprised Cliff didnt try to do a Kem/Lin backcourt to try to get Kemba going, but it seems like a one or other situation. Now i wonder how he likes having Lin breathing down his back, cuz he cant go chucking with abandon since there's now a quality backup to sub in when he goes cold. Will Kemba get pissed that his mins can get cut or will he try to play better.

He's going to try playing to help his team. Lin is his teammate and the guys seem to like each other. Kemba has to just get his game back in gear.

[Reflexx]

I think it's to early in the season to worry about minutes. Clifford it's still getting a feel for the team he has, and if Lin continues to play well his minutes will increase over time.

[tonman]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

eh..I wouldn't worry too much with Lin's minutes.

think of it this way, in what minutes he gets, he makes the most of it. If he can sustain this type of productivity and efficiency, there is little doubt in my mind that hell get some really good offers next season.

Plus lets not forget that the last two games, Lin has been left to close out the games. Meaning, Cliff as acknowledged lins skills and ability to close out games by letting him do so. In very close games, the best players are left in the game, and Lin has been on the floor during clutch time more often than not. That in itself is better than any additional 2-3 minutes.

the issue shouldn't be whether Lin should close out games or not, he's done that for NY, Houston, and LA even playing off the bench. not going to sit here and quibble over minutes for Lin but it doesn't make sense. if you are going to play the hot hand then play the hot hand. even lamb sat down the end of the last game and he was 6-10. if there's a set rotation then why does the playing time change? 7 minutes in first half?

Clifford may be just playing with the lineups to see what works and what doesn't but this season is going to be tough to get to the playoffs with so many capable teams every win is important. We almost lost the game. this was a back to back and the first game kemba/batum/Williams played 35 min.

[flyhigh]

The points / FGA for Lin is very high:

Player FG% Pts FGA Pts/FGA
Lin 44.0% 13.3 9.4 1.415
Lamb 58.8% 13.1 9.7 1.350
Batum 42.4% 14.5 11.5 1.261
Jefferson 50.5% 13.5 12.6 1.071

Curry 53.2% 33.3 20.5 1.624

Reason of that is he shoots a high % of his shot as 3pt and draws a lot of foul. Coach should increase his minutes or number of shots?

[steady]

I think it's to early in the season to worry about minutes. Clifford it's still getting a feel for the team he has, and if Lin continues to play well his minutes will increase over time.

[steady]

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[spaceballer]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

eh..I wouldn't worry too much with Lin's minutes.

think of it this way, in what minutes he gets, he makes the most of it. If he can sustain this type of productivity and efficiency, there is little doubt in my mind that hell get some really good offers next season.

Plus lets not forget that the last two games, Lin has been left to close out the games. Meaning, Cliff as acknowledged lins skills and ability to close out games by letting him do so. In very close games, the best players are left in the game, and Lin has been on the floor during clutch time more often than not. That in itself is better than any additional 2-3 minutes.

I'm not worried about Lin's next contract. That will take care of itself in the off-season. I want to see the wins. And cutting Lin's playing time to 21 minutes last game nearly resulted in a loss for the team. But it's only one game, let's see how things play out.

[SWedd523]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

I feel like this entire post is the same paragraph repeated over and over with slightly different wording.

[spaceballer]

I feel like this entire post is the same paragraph repeated over and over with slightly different wording.

Perhaps that's one reason I'm wordy at times.

[TTNN]

Lin had the 8th most minutes on the team last game, with 7 Hornets getting more time. He barely had enough playing time to save the game and pull out the victory. He wouldn't even have broken 20 minutes if he hadn't played the entire 4th quarter with zero rest breaks.

Fortunately, he was able to put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting with good defense, in the measly 21 minutes allotted as the 8th man on the team, behind 7 other Hornets in minutes. He won't always be able to pull off such heroics with no time to get in rhythm or enough playing time to significantly influence the outcome of the game.

It was a near loss by just tenths of a second. If Lin had played more, it may not have come down to the last possession and a near loss. It's not just about his individual stats or minutes (especially not at the expense of the team!), but the fact that decreasing his minutes diminishes his ability to affect the game. That's playing with fire, and it was nearly a loss for the team.

The ESPN stats show he's averaging 21.0 minutes per game over the last 5 games. He put up 17pts on 7-11 shooting last game, and 19pts on 6-11 shooting the night prior. Imagine what he can do if he averaged more than 21 minutes per game.

Even when he's playing well, like he was last game, he maxed out at 21 minutes last night. Because there's no way to adjust it upwards despite him playing the entire 4th with no rest, due to the subbing patterns. Recently, he's been the last one subbed in and the first one subbed out, with only 6 or 7 minutes in the entire first half last game.

If you want him to win games for you, you gotta give him the minutes to do so. I don't think he came here for $2M to be the 8th man on the team behind 7 other Hornets in minutes like last night (he can probably at least get a 6th instead of 8th man spot on another team in the summer). The team nearly lost the game because of it. Came within tenths of a second of doing so. Give Lin more playing time and it may not have had to come down to the last possession last night.

I think the important thing here is not just about Lin's personal stats or minutes, but the fact the it hurts the team's chances when he has so few minutes. Last night was a really close call.

Each game is different and there's a long season ahead. Let's see how the games average out over time before panicking, though.

eh..I wouldn't worry too much with Lin's minutes.

think of it this way, in what minutes he gets, he makes the most of it. If he can sustain this type of productivity and efficiency, there is little doubt in my mind that hell get some really good offers next season.

Plus lets not forget that the last two games, Lin has been left to close out the games. Meaning, Cliff as acknowledged lins skills and ability to close out games by letting him do so. In very close games, the best players are left in the game, and Lin has been on the floor during clutch time more often than not. That in itself is better than any additional 2-3 minutes.

the issue shouldn't be whether Lin should close out games or not, he's done that for NY, Houston, and LA even playing off the bench. not going to sit here and quibble over minutes for Lin but it doesn't make sense. if you are going to play the hot hand then play the hot hand. even lamb sat down the end of the last game and he was 6-10. if there's a set rotation then why does the playing time change? 7 minutes in first half?

Clifford may be just playing with the lineups to see what works and what doesn't but this season is going to be tough to get to the playoffs with so many capable teams every win is important. We almost lost the game. this was a back to back and the first game kemba/batum/Williams played 35 min.

I kind of think last game Lin played long 4Q was by design. Kemba sub in 2Q at 7 min that's way earlier than normal, and it is not like Lin was not playing good that time. And Kemba also play long time in 1Q and 3Q. Coach also said it in post-game interview that he was not playing hot hand. And that's not only Lin, Lamb also play only 7 min for the first half. Looks to me, that was the plan coach had, not a decision made on the spot.

Notice both starter and bench were playing roughly their usual minutes, but they just play at different time. Coach are still testing rotations. So at this time, any time change, rotation change not necessarily really mean something yet. Anything could happen.

[bws94]

Lin is flat as a pancake this game. He needs to get his mojo back for the 2nd half.

[rayfantastic]

And how do you get to do that if you only play 16 mins a game...

[rayfantastic]

Lin better fire his agent

[13th Man]

Lin is flat as a pancake this game. He needs to get his mojo back for the 2nd half.

He started to get it going with 2 baskets in the 4th but like I mentioned in an earlier post, hard to get into a groove when you play 8 minutes a half. Lin was 8th in minutes out of 10 players.

This was what I was afraid of when Lamb gets to close out the games. Kemba played 37 mins to Lin's 17, Lamb played 32, even Kaminsky played more minutes than Lin tonight.

He's getting less minutes here than he did with the Lakers, so much for best fit lol.

[sutton]

16mins, at least half play as SG, barely touch the ball, and another half play with a clumsy center (sorry rookie). Should have given Lin more time,