Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread

[Capn'O]

There were 4 of 5 guys in the +/- Zinger, Melo, Galloway, and Grant.. find a way to play them together Fish. The fifth was Lou.

Especially at the end when they are cutting down our lanes. We need the guys that can attack the paint more when the defense tightens.

[Knicks_Fan2]

can't play him 30+ until he gets his jumper going. Would rather see Galloway, but fitting him in is peculiar. I'll mention in a post below.

Why not, because teams play off his jumper? He is the only player on our team that can penetrate the d, get consistently to the line, and create for others. He had the best +/- of anyone on our team tonight as well. You saw that stagnant garbage at the end? It's because? we have zero other players that can take the opposition off the dribble.

two reasons:

1) Teams will sag off him like crazy, basically eliminating the dribble penetration. Now, starting him may mitigate that issue, but I don't think the ball movement is really as huge of an issue with the starting lineup in my opinion. It's really:

2) Grant is the only guy who creates for the bench. If you start him, then there's almost no way the bench will score points easily.

re: 1), did you miss the fourth quarter of tonight's game? Btw, Jerian's pullup stats are not that bad.

[MaseInYourFace]

can't play him 30+ until he gets his jumper going. Would rather see Galloway, but fitting him in is peculiar. I'll mention in a post below.

Why not, because teams play off his jumper? He is the only player on our team that can penetrate the d, get consistently to the line, and create for others. He had the best +/- of anyone on our team tonight as well. You saw that stagnant garbage at the end? It's because? we have zero other players that can take the opposition off the dribble.

two reasons:

1) Teams will sag off him like crazy, basically eliminating the dribble penetration. Now, starting him may mitigate that issue, but I don't think the ball movement is really as huge of an issue with the starting lineup in my opinion. It's really:

2) Grant is the only guy who creates for the bench. If you start him, then there's almost no way the bench will score points easily.

Very true

[ibraheim718]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

[MaseInYourFace]

Grant and Galloway need to work out with each other and learn from each other. Grant needs Galloway's shot and Galloway Grants pg skills.

[Phish Tank]

Jerian's 0-5 tonight. Teams may not even defend him for real.

I think something has to change. But the solution really isn't that simple.

[nykfan42]

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Can't wait to see how this gets twisted

Once Melo gets the ball, it sticks. That's the offense. What is there to run?

I don't know what game you are watching. But that was not the problem in the 4th. He is also averaging almost 4 assts a game.

Melo was getting the ball with little time on the shot clock. They waste time doing nothing and dump it to Melo to save the day.

[MaseInYourFace]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

Agreed

[Dirkbaka]

can't play him 30+ until he gets his jumper going. Would rather see Galloway, but fitting him in is peculiar. I'll mention in a post below.

Why not, because teams play off his jumper? He is the only player on our team that can penetrate the d, get consistently to the line, and create for others. He had the best +/- of anyone on our team tonight as well. You saw that stagnant garbage at the end? It's because? we have zero other players that can take the opposition off the dribble.

two reasons:

1) Teams will sag off him like crazy, basically eliminating the dribble penetration. Now, starting him may mitigate that issue, but I don't think the ball movement is really as huge of an issue with the starting lineup in my opinion. It's really:

2) Grant is the only guy who creates for the bench. If you start him, then there's almost no way the bench will score points easily.

Teams sagged off Rondo like crazy and he still was effective in his rookie season.

Point is he can get us into our offense faster. There were two instances were our offense just stopped and itwas like here Melo there are 5 secs on the clock and you are doubled good luck.

Also no one is saying start him. But keep him in at crunch time.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Jerian's 0-5 tonight. Teams may not even defend him for real.

I think something has to change. But the solution really isn't that simple.

And yet he had 6 points on those shooting possessions because he got to the line.

[NYKat]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

[Knicks_Fan2]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

You're right, let's not discuss anything about the game or criticize tactical errors we see during the game. Happy Friday!

[Mr_Perfect]

Do ya'll realize we have the worst coach in the NBA?

That's not an exaggeration. I am baffled by this. We are run by the best coach in NBA history - possibly sports history - and we have the worst coach in the league and franchise history under contract.

[ibraheim718]

Jerian's 0-5 tonight. Teams may not even defend him for real.

I think something has to change. But the solution really isn't that simple.

He scored last year at Notre Dame and their conference was stacked. He can score.. he just isn't used to not being the focal point.. it seems he's been instructed to just look pass first. His scoring however he gets it isn't going to be a problem. But he penetrates and draws fouls.. that's critical late to do that. If he's not in the game it's all slow played feeds to the post for Melo or Afflalo.

[MaseInYourFace]

Why not, because teams play off his jumper? He is the only player on our team that can penetrate the d, get consistently to the line, and create for others. He had the best +/- of anyone on our team tonight as well. You saw that stagnant garbage at the end? It's because? we have zero other players that can take the opposition off the dribble.

two reasons:

1) Teams will sag off him like crazy, basically eliminating the dribble penetration. Now, starting him may mitigate that issue, but I don't think the ball movement is really as huge of an issue with the starting lineup in my opinion. It's really:

2) Grant is the only guy who creates for the bench. If you start him, then there's almost no way the bench will score points easily.

Teams sagged off Rondo like crazy and he still was effective in his rookie season.

Point is he can get us into our offense faster. There were two instances were our offense just stopped and itwas like here Melo there are 5 secs on the clock and you are doubled good luck.

Also no one is saying start him. But keep him in at crunch time.

We don't know if he's Rondo

[ibraheim718]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

Bro just disappear and let us talk.

[MaseInYourFace]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

I agree to an extent. Knicks had a good chance to win this so it's a little frustrating.

[msanchez2725]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

I agree 100%. Not like we are winning a title or anything this year. We can have the young guys play big minutes while fielding a decent team. Honestly, based off of who can help us more now I would still lean towards the youngsters. That's what makes these rotations look so awful. It's not just that vets are playing, it's that they aren't very good.

[Dirkbaka]

two reasons:

1) Teams will sag off him like crazy, basically eliminating the dribble penetration. Now, starting him may mitigate that issue, but I don't think the ball movement is really as huge of an issue with the starting lineup in my opinion. It's really:

2) Grant is the only guy who creates for the bench. If you start him, then there's almost no way the bench will score points easily.

Teams sagged off Rondo like crazy and he still was effective in his rookie season.

Point is he can get us into our offense faster. There were two instances were our offense just stopped and itwas like here Melo there are 5 secs on the clock and you are doubled good luck.

Also no one is saying start him. But keep him in at crunch time.

We don't know if he's Rondo

And we won't if he doesn't play in the 4th. But what we do know with 100% certainty is that Calderon cannot dribble penetratre and takes forever to set up the defense in the 4th.

[mpharris36]

Grant needs to be seeing 30+ mins a game at PG. Calderon is finished. It's laughable at this point. How can Fisher not see this?

calderon had an absolutely brutal first few minutes. But play a really solid game after that. Not sure why Calderon is a problem at this point.

The officials, afflalo missing 2 wide open 3's down the streth, and Mo williams making big shots over galloway.

Uhh because Calderon cannot create any offense for anyone else? at this point he's a glorified jump shooter and that's not going to be good enough down the stretch of any game. Just because he doesn't make any apparent mistakes doesn't mean he's a positive in the lineup down the stretch.

at this point what is our option. Teams are just going under the screen on grant because he absolutely can't shoot and he has been a little sloppy with the ball. Also while people complain about Calderon defense. Grant defense has arguably been worse. Delly has a stretch in the 2nd qtr where he killed grant.

I am all for playing the 5 best players on the court. If Galloway and Afflalo our playing better, by all means let them play. If Grant is playing better by all means play grant. Right now we don't have a better option. Once we get one I will be all aboard the sit calderon train.