Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread

[Dirkbaka]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

STFU and GTFO. Thanks.

[NYKat]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

You're right, let's not discuss anything about the game or criticize tactical errors we see during the game. Happy Friday!

I just looked at the first few posts of this thread and was at the beating fisher is taking which happens after every loss, it screams of ignorance.


We've been competitive in every game we've been in. Learning to execute as a team in crunch time is alearning process, folks act like we would be friggin 10-0 if not for Fisher...

This roster is flat out overachieving right now, and they'll only continue to grow

[nykfan42]

Jerian's 0-5 tonight. Teams may not even defend him for real.

I think something has to change. But the solution really isn't that simple.

He scored last year at Notre Dame and their conference was stacked. He can score.. he just isn't used to not being the focal point.. it seems he's been instructed to just look pass first. His scoring however he gets it isn't going to be a problem. But he penetrates and draws fouls.. that's critical late to do that. If he's not in the game it's all slow played feeds to the post for Melo or Afflalo.

He looks uncomfortable and sometimes forcing plays/passes that aren't there. He still gets to the rim and draws fouls but the past few games he's committed too many turnovers. A number of times tonight he had a decent shot at the basket but pulled back. Doesn't look confident yet. He'll get there.

[mpharris36]

And we won't if he doesn't play in the 4th. But what we do know with 100% certainty is that Calderon cannot dribble penetratre and takes forever to set up the defense in the 4th.

his defense has been atrocious. He needs to learn to check the backup guards before he starts playing starters. Lin and Delly destroyed him when he was playing.

Also teams sag off grant so much and when Melo or KP has the ball there is less spacing. Grant needs to continue to work on his game and hopefully he will earn those late game minutes soon.

[Dirkbaka]

calderon had an absolutely brutal first few minutes. But play a really solid game after that. Not sure why Calderon is a problem at this point.

The officials, afflalo missing 2 wide open 3's down the streth, and Mo williams making big shots over galloway.

Uhh because Calderon cannot create any offense for anyone else? at this point he's a glorified jump shooter and that's not going to be good enough down the stretch of any game. Just because he doesn't make any apparent mistakes doesn't mean he's a positive in the lineup down the stretch.

at this point what is our option. Teams are just going under the screen on grant because he absolutely can't shoot and he has been a little sloppy with the ball. Also while people complain about Calderon defense. Grant defense has arguably been worse. Delly has a stretch in the 2nd qtr where he killed grant.

I am all for playing the 5 best players on the court. If Galloway and Afflalo our playing better, by all means let them play. If Grant is playing better by all means play grant. Right now we don't have a better option. Once we get one I will be all aboard the sit calderon train.

You are talking though as if Grant's production is static. Grant needs reps in order to get better. We need a guy who can dribble penetrate and even if guys go under the screen he can still do that.

We know 100% Calderon can't. So while Grant is not the ideal solution it is something worth trying. Since we know having Calderon out there is a net negative.

[Clyde Frazier]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mcten/status/665376892665634816[/tweet]

What a fool... take it like a man

[offense]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/herringwsj/status/665378093478117378[/tweet]

Can't wait to see how this gets twisted

Once Melo gets the ball, it sticks. That's the offense. What is there to run?

No one moves around though, there is also many times where they dont know what to do and just hope/rely on melo doing something.

[NYKat]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

I agree to an extent. Knicks had a good chance to win this so it's a little frustrating.

I get it but The fact that we've been competitive down the stretch in almost every single game is actually the positive.

Learning how to close doesn't happen overnight.

We good.

[nykfan42]

Yeah I was all about hating on Jose but he's been playing much better lately. Even made a few good plays on defense tonight. Grant doesn't look ready to take that role but Gallo might be able to. He's been closing out the games anyway.

[Houstonrox]

Honestly, Kerr or Luke Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fish.

[Phish Tank]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

look I agree with this too. Grant & Galloway can play major minutes, but that's only if they start. If we do that, then we move Afflalo to the bench. I don't know who the backup PG will be tho.

They gotta push Porzingis' stamina to have him play 35 minutes. I know he barely played 20 in Europe, but gotta send him out there.

[Clyde_Style]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/herringwsj/status/665378093478117378[/tweet]

Can't wait to see how this gets twisted

Hmm, I would really love to hear an extended version of his thoughts, because we've never heard him say that before to my knowledge

[MaseInYourFace]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/herringwsj/status/665378093478117378[/tweet]

Can't wait to see how this gets twisted

Once Melo gets the ball, it sticks. That's the offense. What is there to run?

No one moves around though, there is also many times where they dont know what to do and just hope/rely on melo doing something.

The 4th quarter plan on this team is still the Melo Hail Mary. Which frankly is to be expected when you look at the roster but I don't think fans get that yet.

[Sprewell4Three]

Clyde has said this earlier in the season but if you're going to lose atleast lose with your young players. KP , Grant and to a lesser extent Galloway need to be receiving close to 30mpg.

[Houstonrox]

Why are we not playing Koq or DWill when the offense was stagnant? Koq is probably the best passing big man we have. Dwill is at least aggressive and will get to the line.

[offense]

Once Melo gets the ball, it sticks. That's the offense. What is there to run?

No one moves around though, there is also many times where they dont know what to do and just hope/rely on melo doing something.

The 4th quarter plan on this team is still the Melo Hail Mary. Which frankly is to be expected when you look at the roster but I don't think fans get that yet.

It shouldn't be though, especially when you have a guy like afflalo.

[kane2021]

We dont even run the triangle. I know the offense. We get into the sets. People go to the places they need to be. But the plays are not executed. We free lance. Just like with woodson. And this is never corrected. During games, after time outs, after games. There is never a correction.There is never frustration from the bench.

They are being encouraged to do this. So if we not going to run the offense, what the **** is the point in having dude?

Personally,.. and this is the first anti Phil thing I have said. Phil, you need to ditch the idea of someone being you. Just because you could coached someone to run the triple post offense dont mean, they will be a good coach running the triple post.

Tex taught you the triple post, but it was your ability to manage people though your studies of zen, meditation and personality, along with your mind for the game. The offense isnt what made you.

And just because you built the team, it dont mean the offense will make them. Im sorry to say this, but its the truth. None of your copy cat proteges have been successful. I dont know of any of your former assistants that have been successful. Kerr was not one of them. You wanted him, he didnt want you and the rest is history.

So even if you chose one of your old assistants, to properly run the offense, it dont mean it will work. Honestly, this team looks fine without it. When we try to run it, Lopez, your worst offensive player, gets the best looks! We need more screen plays. More running. Really, the problem is in the management of in game situations and the roster more than anything.

Ditch the idea. Let your ego go. You not a coach no more and you have left no great successor. Because no one is you. Let a real coach, coach this team the way he wants to do it. Not the way you want. And let that man show proof of your ability to put a team together. Because you've done a real good job building a roster. But this Fisher is killing it. This team is better than this and shows it every single game until the coach decides to pretend to be you, with what he thinks are witty decisions. He's making you look bad.

[MaseInYourFace]

No one moves around though, there is also many times where they dont know what to do and just hope/rely on melo doing something.

The 4th quarter plan on this team is still the Melo Hail Mary. Which frankly is to be expected when you look at the roster but I don't think fans get that yet.

It shouldn't be though, especially when you have a guy like afflalo.

Affalo just came back. Granted he actually played a big part tonight

[mpharris36]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

very fair statement and I do agree. I would rather be playing the young guys too but we are also trying to win games and make the playoffs so that we can attract another major FA this offseason to go with Melo and KP and our surrounding pieces.

I hope eventually the young guys take the bull by the horn and earn those minutes. Grant needs to start playing better defense and less careless with the ball and show more confidence in that shot if he wants to play down the stretch.

Fisher at a point where it is early where these guys need to earn minutes down the stretch.

[mpharris36]

Honestly, Kerr or Luke Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fish.

honestly its a lot easier to coach when you have steph curry on your team....