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Post#181 » by bws94 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:35 am

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bws94 wrote:Lin is flat as a pancake this game. He needs to get his mojo back for the 2nd half.


He started to get it going with 2 baskets but like I mentioned in an earlier post, hard to get into a groove when you play 8 minutes a half. Lin was 8th in minutes out of 10 players.

This was what I was afraid of when Lamb gets to close out the games. Kemba played 37 mins to Lin's 17, Lamb played 32, even Kaminsky played more minutes than Lin tonight.


Can't get so hung up on minutes. Lin didn't look great tonight and he rested. He'll play a lot when he heats up. Or he won't. Lin with Kemba isn't working so the SG minutes aren't there. But Cliff did pull him early. Lamb usually doesn't close games and Lin does but Lamb looked better today. It doesn't mean that Lin won't close most games.
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Post#182 » by 13th Man » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:45 am

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bws94 wrote:Lin is flat as a pancake this game. He needs to get his mojo back for the 2nd half.


He started to get it going with 2 baskets but like I mentioned in an earlier post, hard to get into a groove when you play 8 minutes a half. Lin was 8th in minutes out of 10 players.

This was what I was afraid of when Lamb gets to close out the games. Kemba played 37 mins to Lin's 17, Lamb played 32, even Kaminsky played more minutes than Lin tonight.


Can't get so hung up on minutes. Lin didn't look great tonight and he rested. He'll play a lot when he heats up. Or he won't. Lin with Kemba isn't working so the SG minutes aren't there. But Cliff did pull him early. Lamb usually doesn't close games and Lin does but Lamb looked better today. It doesn't mean that Lin won't close most games.


He won't. Clifford has slowly lost trust in Lin for some reason, first off subbing him in later every game and now only letting him close out if he plays balls out. Like I mentioned the other day, Lin has to play very well just to get a bit over 20 mins otherwise get used to him playing 16-17 mins. If Kemba plays bad, he still gets 27, if he plays ok, he gets 35+. I'm not hating on Kemba, just stating the obvious disparity in treatment.

It's not like Lin was playing horribly, he just missed his 4 shots taken and didn't cause any turnovers. If you want him to contribute then give him a chance. Kemba was 5-18, did he really deserve 37 mins? This is why I called for subbing Lin in earlier because I knew **** like this would happen and it did.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#183 » by HornetJail » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:49 am

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He started to get it going with 2 baskets but like I mentioned in an earlier post, hard to get into a groove when you play 8 minutes a half. Lin was 8th in minutes out of 10 players.

This was what I was afraid of when Lamb gets to close out the games. Kemba played 37 mins to Lin's 17, Lamb played 32, even Kaminsky played more minutes than Lin tonight.


Can't get so hung up on minutes. Lin didn't look great tonight and he rested. He'll play a lot when he heats up. Or he won't. Lin with Kemba isn't working so the SG minutes aren't there. But Cliff did pull him early. Lamb usually doesn't close games and Lin does but Lamb looked better today. It doesn't mean that Lin won't close most games.


He won't. Clifford has slowly lost trust in Lin for some reason, first off subbing him in later every game and now only letting him close out if he plays balls out. Like I mentioned the other day, Lin has to play very well just to get a bit over 20 mins otherwise get used to him playing 16-17 mins. If Kemba plays bad, he still gets 27, if he plays ok, he gets 35+. I'm not hating on Kemba, just stating the obvious disparity in treatment.

If Lin is outplaying Walker, then he's seeing the playing time. Despite Kemba's awful shooting, Lin was worse in every way, and didn't deserve a second more than the 16:33 he got. Lamb and Batum were both playing significantly better so they got the shooting guard minutes. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#184 » by 13th Man » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:52 am

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Can't get so hung up on minutes. Lin didn't look great tonight and he rested. He'll play a lot when he heats up. Or he won't. Lin with Kemba isn't working so the SG minutes aren't there. But Cliff did pull him early. Lamb usually doesn't close games and Lin does but Lamb looked better today. It doesn't mean that Lin won't close most games.


He won't. Clifford has slowly lost trust in Lin for some reason, first off subbing him in later every game and now only letting him close out if he plays balls out. Like I mentioned the other day, Lin has to play very well just to get a bit over 20 mins otherwise get used to him playing 16-17 mins. If Kemba plays bad, he still gets 27, if he plays ok, he gets 35+. I'm not hating on Kemba, just stating the obvious disparity in treatment.

If Lin is outplaying Walker, then he's seeing the playing time. Despite Kemba's awful shooting, Lin was worse in every way, and didn't deserve a second more than the 16:33 he got. Lamb and Batum were both playing significantly better so they got the shooting guard minutes. Nothing to see here, move along.


I can't agree because this is not just tonight but has become a common trend. Lin has to bust his ass to get 21 mins which is BS, he had more chances in Houston and L.A. Only playing 7-8 mins in the 1st half of every game is not a lot of time to get into the groove, therefore he has to try too hard to produce results. I like Kemba and root for him but the disparity in minutes is just too much. If he plays terribly, he gets 27 mins, if he plays a normal game then 35+?

Anyways, I'm out, even more disappointed because of the loss.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#185 » by bws94 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:00 am

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Can't get so hung up on minutes. Lin didn't look great tonight and he rested. He'll play a lot when he heats up. Or he won't. Lin with Kemba isn't working so the SG minutes aren't there. But Cliff did pull him early. Lamb usually doesn't close games and Lin does but Lamb looked better today. It doesn't mean that Lin won't close most games.


He won't. Clifford has slowly lost trust in Lin for some reason, first off subbing him in later every game and now only letting him close out if he plays balls out. Like I mentioned the other day, Lin has to play very well just to get a bit over 20 mins otherwise get used to him playing 16-17 mins. If Kemba plays bad, he still gets 27, if he plays ok, he gets 35+. I'm not hating on Kemba, just stating the obvious disparity in treatment.

If Lin is outplaying Walker, then he's seeing the playing time. Despite Kemba's awful shooting, Lin was worse in every way, and didn't deserve a second more than the 16:33 he got. Lamb and Batum were both playing significantly better so they got the shooting guard minutes. Nothing to see here, move along.


Lin gets a good night's rest, looks at some film tomorrow, and gets ready to take on Portland Sunday. Lin is a big part of the team and will come up big some nights and have bad games some nights, like tonight, on other nights. Let's hope for more of the former. In the minutes Lin has gotten, when he's good, he's been productive. He just needs to minimize the bad games.
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Post#186 » by Teddyb » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:09 am

The Clifford has lost trust is just ridiculous.....Lin didn't play as well this game...Who you gonna sit...Batum? NO ...Lamb....NO....perhaps Walker? um NO.....Hes going to play 20 minutes a game.....thats what it is...

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Post#187 » by HornetJail » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:11 am

Teddyb wrote:The Clifford has lost trust is just ridiculous.....Lin didn't play as well this game...Who you gonna sit...Batum? NO ...Lamb....NO....perhaps Walker? um NO.....Hes going to play 20 minutes a game.....thats what it is...

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Post#188 » by 13th Man » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:15 am

The numbers don't lie. Lin is averaging less minutes here than he did in each of the past 4 seasons. I've clearly stated my case earlier, because he gets subbed in so late in the 1st quarter he doesn't get ample time to get into the groove.

Keep on believing that he is a big part of this team, what I've seen is a diminishing role where he has to play balls out just get what he would normally get under McHale and Byron Scott. Lamb will be closing out more games as well, get used to Lin playing less than 20 mins on a nightly basis.
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Post#189 » by qiantom » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:20 am

It is not about the 4th quarter. It was already too late then. Kemba being babied is a norm I guess and it is probably one of the main reasons why he has not improved.


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Post#190 » by victorhe » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:22 am

13th Man wrote:The numbers don't lie. Lin is averaging less minutes here than he did in each of the past 4 seasons. I've clearly stated my case earlier, because he gets subbed in so late in the 1st quarter he doesn't get ample time to get into the groove.

Keep on believing that he is a big part of this team, what I've seen is a diminishing role where he has to play balls out just get what he would normally get under McHale and Byron Scott. Lamb will be closing out more games as well, get used to Lin playing less than 20 mins on a nightly basis.

If Lin doesn't play well for a game , he should get 0 minute. Basketball is a team sport, whatever the rotation that could get us the highest chance of winning. And by the way I am a Lin fan, and wants to see the best of him. If he doesn't play well enough an hinders the team, he sits. Lamb has been playing super yet he sometimes gets very few minutes also due to coach's strategy.

Team comes before a certain player, and I know sometimes it doesn't sound fair to him but this is still kemba's team. Kemba's has been here long enough, Lin just Came in.
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Post#191 » by 13th Man » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:30 am

I look at the overall trend, not just tonight's game. The past 5-6 games he's avg'd less than 20 minutes while he hasn't played all that bad, that is bothersome....plus we also lost tonight when he was just starting to contribute. He was 2-3 in the 2nd half btw, not like he was horrible.
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Post#192 » by rayfantastic » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:35 am

He signed that crappy contract for the "special trust" he gets from Clifford. SMH.
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Post#193 » by RealHusky » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:38 am

victorhe wrote:
13th Man wrote:The numbers don't lie. Lin is averaging less minutes here than he did in each of the past 4 seasons. I've clearly stated my case earlier, because he gets subbed in so late in the 1st quarter he doesn't get ample time to get into the groove.

Keep on believing that he is a big part of this team, what I've seen is a diminishing role where he has to play balls out just get what he would normally get under McHale and Byron Scott. Lamb will be closing out more games as well, get used to Lin playing less than 20 mins on a nightly basis.

If Lin doesn't play well for a game , he should get 0 minute. Basketball is a team sport, whatever the rotation that could get us the highest chance of winning. And by the way I am a Lin fan, and wants to see the best of him. If he doesn't play well enough an hinders the team, he sits. Lamb has been playing super yet he sometimes gets very few minutes also due to coach's strategy.

Team comes before a certain player, and I know sometimes it doesn't sound fair to him but this is still kemba's team. Kemba's has been here long enough, Lin just Came in.


Look I been a huge Walker fan since freshman in college, but shooting 5 for 18 is playing well and deserved 37 mins? What kind of basketball are you watching? Lin's minutes is a real issue. Realistically it should be Kemba 29 Lin 25. Team lost so I have no clue what the coach was trying to do. Clifford aren't playing his best players out there than playing contracts. Lin is a rhythm player and he usually shines in the 4th quarter. He needs to play through some of his lows. I doubt Lin signed up for this with such ridiculous pay.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#194 » by lin is ok » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:45 am

victorhe wrote:
13th Man wrote:The numbers don't lie. Lin is averaging less minutes here than he did in each of the past 4 seasons. I've clearly stated my case earlier, because he gets subbed in so late in the 1st quarter he doesn't get ample time to get into the groove.

Keep on believing that he is a big part of this team, what I've seen is a diminishing role where he has to play balls out just get what he would normally get under McHale and Byron Scott. Lamb will be closing out more games as well, get used to Lin playing less than 20 mins on a nightly basis.

If Lin doesn't play well for a game , he should get 0 minute. Basketball is a team sport, whatever the rotation that could get us the highest chance of winning. And by the way I am a Lin fan, and wants to see the best of him. If he doesn't play well enough an hinders the team, he sits. Lamb has been playing super yet he sometimes gets very few minutes also due to coach's strategy.

Team comes before a certain player, and I know sometimes it doesn't sound fair to him but this is still kemba's team. Kemba's has been here long enough, Lin just Came in.


lin is on a very very short lease. Last bench player to come in . 2mins in the 1st quarter!
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Post#196 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:56 am

rayfantastic wrote:He signed that crappy contract for the "special trust" he gets from Clifford. SMH.

Naivete?

He's gotta play well no matter what now, back against the wall.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#197 » by bws94 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:59 am

13th Man wrote:What's funny is that he got jerked around by McHale and BS but still ended up playing more minutes than he is here. Here, he just gets to play 7-8 minutes in the 1st half and has to be outstanding to be able to close out games and barely get over 20 mins. This has been the trend, the numbers don't lie. 27 minute Lin is history, a distant memory since the Atlanta series.


Seriously, are all of your post going to be about the same thing? Lin's minutes?

It's still very early. I think Clifford is tinkering. I think he's trying to win games. When he feels Lin has that, whatever, swagger, determination, he's in there. Lin had that in the last game and in Minnesota. He had nothing resembling that tonight. He had good numbers in both games. There may be games Lin needs to play 35 minutes. It's a long season.

He's not in Houston or LA anymore. He's in Charlotte and he chose it. He just needs to go out there on the court when his number is called and help the team as best he can. He did that on Wednesday, not tonight.
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Post#198 » by 13th Man » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:03 am

^ Lol I deleted that post bc I've had enough for tonight. Going to meditate then get some sleep.

And btw, Lin is never going to see 30 minutes any time this season lol.
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Post#199 » by Appwrangler » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:06 am

Lin's defense seems to be improving under Clifford and Silas's tutelage. If he's smart he does his best this season and opts out next year for a big contract elsewhere. If no offers come in, time to hang them up.
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Post#200 » by RealHusky » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:40 am

Appwrangler wrote:Lin's defense seems to be improving under Clifford and Silas's tutelage. If he's smart he does his best this season and opts out next year for a big contract elsewhere. If no offers come in, time to hang them up.


Lin's defense was never that bad to start with. Frankly, he is one of the better defenders on this team.

I believe fans are not happy because some players are given plenty of playing time despite not playing well while Lin got no leash. On this team, Lin is easily one of the top 5 players and he should get equivalent minutes. I am glad Lamb is finally getting an opportunity. Lin has to play like a MVP just to get 20 mins per game.

Bottom line team lost so whatever Clifford was doing was not working.
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