Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread

[ibraheim718]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

For sure. If we're losing anyway, at least lose with a purpose.

The irony is I don't think we'd lose.

[MaseInYourFace]

Honestly, Kerr or Luke Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fish.

honestly its a lot easier to coach when you have steph curry on your team....

I don't know if you have been watching them play but Walton actually uses timeouts and substitution patterns wisely. He closes with pretty much the same 5 every game. We do not. We lack offensive movement and execution because we could not decide who to close with. Everyone is standing around because the ONLY constant is Melo down the stretch. Therefore, people can't get into the flow of the game. Establish a go to 5 at the end of the game and you will see better game execution. Players will develop chemistry. Lou and Lance should not be 40% of your lineup when it counts the most.

We shouldn't be comparing ourselves to GSW.

[Clyde_Style]

Do ya'll realize we have the worst coach in the NBA?

That's not an exaggeration. I am baffled by this. We are run by the best coach in NBA history - possibly sports history - and we have the worst coach in the league and franchise history under contract.

And that is why I will spare no quarter in my criticism of PMFJB for his hiring of Fisher.

He should have known better.

But he didn't.

So he needs to man up and fix it.

[Clyde_Style]

It's getting annoying to predictably see every loss blamed on Fisher.

The Cavs made it to th f*cking Finals, they're pretty far ahead of us on the learning curve when it comes to late game execution. Smh at fans expecting us
to be able to execute on that level, 10 games into the season with this roster

Considering our schedule, I think we're doing just fine. Stfu and trust the process.

Bro just disappear and let us talk.

My favorite post of the night. Bravo

[HerSports85]

the issues we are having are easily correctable.

Figure out a rotation and have them run countless drills together. Learn your personnel, so when we go on a scoring drought, you can call a go-to play to get the team back into the flow. learn the right substitutions and use timeouts properly ... then we start winning some of these close games.

Thomas making the inbounds pass was a lack of knowing your players and preparation. Didn't he just make a bad pass to end the game against the Hornets. lol this is when you actually use Jose, but I rather grant make the pass or even Melo

[ibraheim718]

lou I understand he was playing well. And it allows the knicks to switch every screen which was effective down the stretch.

I agree with this.. that's why we stayed in the game because Lou could switch onto Lebron or he could guard love. I didn't have a problem with Lou or Lance in the middle of the fourth quarter because they were doing tons of dirty work and when they switched they provided resistance but on offense we needed someone in there who could break the defense down and make them collapse.

[swisscheeseD]

Give me Thibodeau or give me death!

[The Wolf]

I think we are fine. Obviously we all want to win, but just competing with the Cavs the way we have in these first two games is a good sign of our improvement. We are still figuring things out. We have a ton of new pieces and younger guys going through growing pains. Everyone is still figuring things out, players and coaches. We play together, and we play hard, and those are two things that will hopefully continue and pay off in a big way once things get settled down.

We always live in the moment, and winning this game would've been huge, but just look at how far we've come since last season. The only place to go was up because we couldn't get any worse, but there are some signs that this franchise is heading in the right direction. It sounds cliche, but the culture has completely changed in one season. This group won't win anything, but they're setting a foundation going forward for how the Knicks are going to play basketball: with a lot of effort and together as a team.

I like what I see.

[Clyde_Style]

Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.

For sure. If we're losing anyway, at least lose with a purpose.

The irony is I don't think we'd lose.

And therein lies higher level probability thinking. I hear some saying Fisher is not the problem, but I don't hear them saying he is the solution. And therein lies the danger of status quo thinking. It will stick with a scenario well past the point of probable positive outcomes. The current probability of winning more games over the course of the season by grooming your young players by throwing them into the fire exceeds the likelihood that heavier minutes given to the Jose and Lance types will equal that win total. What the hell are people afraid of changing? It is not experimentation. It is going with the best talent base. Experimentation that doesn't work is Fisher's headless chicken rotations and some want to roll with that? Oh brother

[AmazingJason]

the issues we are having are easily correctable.

Figure out a rotation and have them run countless drills together. Learn your personnel, so when we go on a scoring drought, you can call a go-to play to get the team back into the flow. learn the right substitutions and use timeouts properly ... then we start winning some of these close games.

Thomas making the inbounds pass was a lack of knowing your players and preparation. Didn't he just make a bad pass to end the game against the Hornets. lol this is when you actually use Jose, but I rather grant make the pass or even Melo

Isn't this Coaching 101?

Problem to me is that Fisher is learning how to coach. He is not a good NBA head coach...he's not learning to develop into a good one...he's just learning how to coach basketball, period. It can be argued that he might need substantial experience in the lower levels before he can tackle something like the NBA. To be honest, it's not out of the question that this experience come at the high school or college level. That quote he made taking accountability for the loss made it clear.

Steve Kerr spent two years of his life developing into the coach he is now. I also read that Kidd spent the latter part of his career as a player preparing for a head coaching job. In all likelihood, Fisher was thrust into a role he is badly underqualified for.

[kane2021]

Does anyone know how many different lineup combinations we have run so far? If there's a stat kept for that we got to be blowing everyone out in that category.

[Vincent_Askew]

We need KP and Grant to each take a huge leap next season AND we need to land a big fish as a free agent.

[Knicksfan1992]

We can't be the only ones noticing Fish's rotations are wacky. Like Phil has to see this correct?

[Clyde_Style]

Does anyone know how many different lineup combinations we have run so far? If there's a stat kept for that we got to be blowing everyone out in that category.

Larry Brown was unreal in that category. He set a record, Knicks at least, don't know about the whole NBA, for most starting lineups. I don't think Fisher is in danger of breaking that record. But his substitutions are still vile.

[Clyde_Style]

the issues we are having are easily correctable.

Figure out a rotation and have them run countless drills together. Learn your personnel, so when we go on a scoring drought, you can call a go-to play to get the team back into the flow. learn the right substitutions and use timeouts properly ... then we start winning some of these close games.

Thomas making the inbounds pass was a lack of knowing your players and preparation. Didn't he just make a bad pass to end the game against the Hornets. lol this is when you actually use Jose, but I rather grant make the pass or even Melo

Isn't this Coaching 101?

Problem to me is that Fisher is learning how to coach. He is not a good NBA head coach...he's not learning to develop into a good one...he's just learning how to coach basketball, period. It can be argued that he might need substantial experience in the lower levels before he can tackle something like the NBA. To be honest, it's not out of the question that this experience come at the high school or college level. That quote he made taking accountability for the loss made it clear.

Steve Kerr spent two years of his life developing into the coach he is now. I also read that Kidd spent the latter part of his career as a player preparing for a head coaching job. In all likelihood, Fisher was thrust into a role he is badly underqualified for.

Fisher isn't a good coach at any level because he has never done it before.

Phil's distorted self-image allowed him to make this choice in first place. Only someone with Phil's level of vanity could believe that his mojo would rub off on whomever he annointed to run this joint and that would somehow result in a successful coach.

Phil learned so much, but guys like him often have a fatal weakness. Because they've been so successful, they often end up having no one in their life to call them on their chit. Maybe Jeannie Buss has the stones to put Phil in his place, but if he had that kind of person in his corner and was receptive to them they would have told him not to hire a noob like Fisher and Phil would have come to his senses.

So Fisher was a malfunction of Phil's common sense. It really fuqqing stupid and even brilliant people can make monumental mistakes.

He's just going to have to bite the bullet and get Fisher off of this club.

At this point, I hope we lose six straight and he gets fired so we can get this season on track while there's still time.

[Vincent_Askew]

It only took 10 games and a nail-biter loss to the team that could very well win the championship this year for our fanbase to get back to being the typical reactionary, hysterical, finger-pointing lunatics that they are.

Guess what, we're no better or worse than what we've showed ourselves to be thus far this season. This is what we are; a competitive but mediocre team.

What the f*** did you people expect?

[RHODEY]

It only took 10 games and a nail-biter loss to the team that could very well win the championship this year for our fanbase to get back to being the typical reactionary, hysterical, finger-pointing lunatics that they are.

Guess what, we're no better or worse than what we've showed ourselves to be thus far this season. This is what we are; a competitive but mediocre team.

What the f*** did you people expect?

We expected a competitive but mediocre team with the best coaching money could buy. We aint getting that.

[2010]

Fisher is not trusting the young bucks down the stretch yet we're still losing with his trusted vets in there. What does that the you?

If Kristaps has shown anything, it's that he's a learner who makes quick adjustments. He needs to be out there in every crunch time scenario barring foul trouble. He also needs to be pushed in order to get his stamina up by playing 30mpg. Rookie wall be damned. I don't believe in babying players. You learn from experience.

we are barely losing. Are we complaing about fisher if the official just call a simple foul when KP got hacked? Or are we complaining if Afflalo just made one of those open 3 pointers in the corner that would have been daggers?

we aren't that far off, we are right there with a lot of the good teams in the NBA. You learn from experience but you have to earn those late minutes. If you don't produce in the 2nd qtr...why do you deserve to play in the 4th?

So you telling me Lance and Lou earned those crunch time mins? As for Kristaps, he did produce in the 2nd, so he absolutely deserved to play more than he did in the 4th.

[2010]

i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?

we honestly aren't that far off. Not trying to make excuses but we are .1 of a second and a simple no call on KP's put back from being 6-4 instead of 4-6. We would be singing a total different tune.

I don't see us that far off. We are playing competitive strong basketball. Just not executing down the stretch. And that takes time playing together.

I don't believe in moral victories or crying about the refs. You are what your record says you are and Fisher has cost us a couple of games himself due to bad coaching, poor rotations, and mins mismanagement.

[Mr_Perfect]

Brian Shaw and Derek Fisher - the new wave of Jackson disciples - have been utter failures.

Maybe Luke Walton can turn it around?