Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread

[GONYK]

Everything you posted is irrelevant

We actually notched wins against cleveland and san antonio last season - our worst season in franchise history. does that mean anything

instead of posting meaningless records, you have to actually watch and analyze games.

we choked away easily winnable games mainly because of fisher's incompetence. that is the fact of the matter and everything else is irrelevant. Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is a pattern. unfortnately, we are up to the "three times" part and this pattern is dangerous for the team and its future

also lol @ everyone confidently calling the bucks and hornets playoff teams now all of a sudden

lmao

You are completely ignoring that playoff and championship teams are that way because they are accustomed to coming through in those moments.

Analyze the game all you want, many contests come down to the last 4 minutes, and teams with experience will come through more often than not.

If you think that a 2nd year coach with 10 new players can consistently beat these experienced teams simply by replacing Lance Thomas, you're wildly underestimating the other teams.

I'll grant that the teams like the Bucks and the Hornets are on our level, and we could look at those games closer. But losses to the Spurs and the Cavs of the league should be expected more often than not until our team gets more of a feel for each other.

I'm not ignoring anything lol

contenders are not invincible. we have beaten those same contenders last season even.

I understand that teams like the cavs and spurs are what they are because of 4th quarter performances. but that doesnt mean that we should lose to them just because of gross tactical competence.

against the cavs and spurs we have put up 12 and 14 point quarters and have put out lineups that were nowhere to be seen during the rest of the game, when we were playing at or above their level.

I do expect loses to the cavs and spurs more often than not. we should be 1-3 against the cavs, spurs, and hawks, not 0-4. I'm being generous here because we were in phenomenal position to go 2-2 if it werent for **** coaching.

my problem is not just with the games against the contenders. we are being outcoached against non-contenders too. stop acting like our problems only exist against the cavs and spurs, because they dont.

Or...maybe the we were playing over our heads for a bit and the Cavs and Hawks and Spurs were just saving themselves for the 2nd half because they have the talent and experience to do so.

Let's not pretend vet teams with vet players don't know how to pick their spots.

You guys are talking like we would only have 1 loss right now if Rick Carlisle was our coach. Coaches don't miss shots or blow defensive assignments. Players do. Derek Fisher wasn't the one turning the ball over in Charlotte. His starters were. You guys scream for more D-Will, and when Fisher put him in on Thursday, he wiped out our entire lead by himself.

This is a flawed, borderline playoff team who is playing extremely hard and very solidly against top 10 teams in this league. The coach isn't the main issue here.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

The fact that we're even in these games is a very good sign. Many teams struggle in the clutch. Let the team grow. These L's we're taking now may very well turn into W's once the schedule eases up. The fact that we were even in the game and looked better than them for a good portion of the game is a good thing to me

Exactly.

What the fire fisher crew fails to realize is that learning how to close out games does not happen automatically. You could throw any lineup out there and they still have to learn how to close out games.

even the most talented teams need experience to learn how to perfect late game execution, and our team is not super talented or all that experienced playing together.

It's a process.

Frankly, I think our late game execution is way ahead of where it should be at this point, we're playing teams that have experience playing together and are far more talented than we are. The fact that we've been in every game so far, is a real positive.

Two months from now, we'll be winning games like this consistently.

I definitely agree with you that it's a process. Fisher has this team playing very competitively against the likes of the Spurs and Cavs...teams with rosters that completely sh*t on ours. We shouldn't even be in these games in the 4th quarter. We've already notched wins against playoff contenders in Washington and Toronto on their home floor. We very well could have won in Charlotte if it weren't for the clock situation. Fisher has this team playing extremely hard every night. He's only a 2nd year coach, and he has things that he needs to improve on. I believe that that improvement will come in time. Losses in November can easily turn into wins in December.

[Thugger HBC]

I just find raggin on Fisher for the team losing to teams that have world champs on it is rather odd. So unless you think this team is a championship caliber, what are you personally expecting?

Being competitive against such clubs is more than solid from this squad, and as much as I don't like Fisher as a coach that is a great think in his favor.

This squad is not a better coach away from being on their opponents level.

Being competitive against such clubs at full strength is something to hang your hat on. Giving games away to such teams first when they're stinking up the joint with 3 key players missing, then at home when you throw **** rotations out giving up your lead in the 4th makes us worse than mediocre. It means we'll have to overachieve against average teams since the above omissions made the Cavs an average team. We can't play at full strength and fight for our lives to overcome flawed teams and so far this season the Cavs have looked extremely beatable.

Firstly, this team hasnt been together long enough to tout "home court advantage", they just moved in the house so to speak.

Secondly, any team with LeBron is a favorite to win most matches, so being competitive when they are short hand is still a plus, and the only player of note they are missing was Kyrie, everyone else of note played.

Same team minus Love and Kyrie played in the finals to game 6, but with one year of more experience, we're "supposed" to win?

We had a chance, thats enough for a rebuilding club. I really dont think folks realize what this squad really is...I really dont.

[IAmTheBest]

You are completely ignoring that playoff and championship teams are that way because they are accustomed to coming through in those moments.

Analyze the game all you want, many contests come down to the last 4 minutes, and teams with experience will come through more often than not.

If you think that a 2nd year coach with 10 new players can consistently beat these experienced teams simply by replacing Lance Thomas, you're wildly underestimating the other teams.

I'll grant that the teams like the Bucks and the Hornets are on our level, and we could look at those games closer. But losses to the Spurs and the Cavs of the league should be expected more often than not until our team gets more of a feel for each other.

I'm not ignoring anything lol

contenders are not invincible. we have beaten those same contenders last season even.

I understand that teams like the cavs and spurs are what they are because of 4th quarter performances. but that doesnt mean that we should lose to them just because of gross tactical competence.

against the cavs and spurs we have put up 12 and 14 point quarters and have put out lineups that were nowhere to be seen during the rest of the game, when we were playing at or above their level.

I do expect loses to the cavs and spurs more often than not. we should be 1-3 against the cavs, spurs, and hawks, not 0-4. I'm being generous here because we were in phenomenal position to go 2-2 if it werent for **** coaching.

my problem is not just with the games against the contenders. we are being outcoached against non-contenders too. stop acting like our problems only exist against the cavs and spurs, because they dont.

Or...maybe the we were playing over our heads for a bit and the Cavs and Hawks and Spurs were just saving themselves for the 2nd half because they have the talent and experience to do so.

Let's not pretend vet teams with vet players don't know how to pick their spots.

You guys are talking like we would only have 1 loss right now if Rick Carlisle was our coach. Coaches don't miss shots or blow defensive assignments. Players do. Derek Fisher wasn't the one turning the ball over in Charlotte. His starters were. You guys scream for more D-Will, and when Fisher put him in on Thursday, he wiped out our entire lead by himself.

This is a flawed, borderline playoff team who is playing extremely hard and very solidly against top 10 teams in this league. The coach isn't the main issue here.

Fisher literally blamed himself for Knicks' late game woes

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video

see the nyk-cle post game video

fisher is the main issue and it's not even arguable

getting 1 win instead of 0 against these top teams is a big difference and is completely reasonable

[Thugger HBC]

I'm not ignoring anything lol

contenders are not invincible. we have beaten those same contenders last season even.

I understand that teams like the cavs and spurs are what they are because of 4th quarter performances. but that doesnt mean that we should lose to them just because of gross tactical competence.

against the cavs and spurs we have put up 12 and 14 point quarters and have put out lineups that were nowhere to be seen during the rest of the game, when we were playing at or above their level.

I do expect loses to the cavs and spurs more often than not. we should be 1-3 against the cavs, spurs, and hawks, not 0-4. I'm being generous here because we were in phenomenal position to go 2-2 if it werent for **** coaching.

my problem is not just with the games against the contenders. we are being outcoached against non-contenders too. stop acting like our problems only exist against the cavs and spurs, because they dont.

Or...maybe the we were playing over our heads for a bit and the Cavs and Hawks and Spurs were just saving themselves for the 2nd half because they have the talent and experience to do so.

Let's not pretend vet teams with vet players don't know how to pick their spots.

You guys are talking like we would only have 1 loss right now if Rick Carlisle was our coach. Coaches don't miss shots or blow defensive assignments. Players do. Derek Fisher wasn't the one turning the ball over in Charlotte. His starters were. You guys scream for more D-Will, and when Fisher put him in on Thursday, he wiped out our entire lead by himself.

This is a flawed, borderline playoff team who is playing extremely hard and very solidly against top 10 teams in this league. The coach isn't the main issue here.

Fisher literally blamed himself for Knicks' late game woes

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video

see the nyk-cle post game video

fisher is the main issue and it's not even arguable

getting 1 win instead of 0 against these top teams is a big difference and is completely reasonable

All coaches take blame for losses. My guy, I hope you arent serious.

[JBreezeNY]

I just find raggin on Fisher for the team losing to teams that have world champs on it is rather odd. So unless you think this team is a championship caliber, what are you personally expecting?

Being competitive against such clubs is more than solid from this squad, and as much as I don't like Fisher as a coach that is a great think in his favor.

This squad is not a better coach away from being on their opponents level.

Being competitive against such clubs at full strength is something to hang your hat on. Giving games away to such teams first when they're stinking up the joint with 3 key players missing, then at home when you throw **** rotations out giving up your lead in the 4th makes us worse than mediocre. It means we'll have to overachieve against average teams since the above omissions made the Cavs an average team. We can't play at full strength and fight for our lives to overcome flawed teams and so far this season the Cavs have looked extremely beatable.

Firstly, this team hasnt been together long enough to tout "home court advantage", they just moved in the house so to speak.

Secondly, any team with LeBron is a favorite to win most matches, so being competitive when they are short hand is still a plus, and the only player of note they are missing was Kyrie, everyone else of note played.

Same team minus Love and Kyrie played in the finals to game 6, but with one year of more experience, we're "supposed" to win?

We had a chance, thats enough for a rebuilding club. I really dont think folks realize what this squad really is...I really dont.

Fam I've given up.

I've said in 3 PG threads (this being the third) that basically people are really deluding themselves into how good they think this team is. I don't like repeating myself so I guess I'll just avoid the PG threads from now on.

And even with me saying 28-35 wins, at BEST this team could get 38 wins & that's me being delusional myself

I'm so shocked at how the chemistry of this team is being overlooked, you can't seriously expect a team that pretty much revamped their roster to play out their sets & late game situations to perfection. You also can't expect a 2nd year coach to not have issues while leading a bunch of rookies & role players.

We're a rebuilding team, that is what this board wanted right?

We aren't going to win every game, the fact we're close in damn near every game is by far exceeding my expectations. The fact we're 4-6 has me quietly wondering if maybe I downplayed Derek Fisher a bit.

I really, really believe people think this team is better than what the team really is & it has me so sad for them because the reality is gonna hit & it'll be a megaton bomb for them.

[IAmTheBest]

Or...maybe the we were playing over our heads for a bit and the Cavs and Hawks and Spurs were just saving themselves for the 2nd half because they have the talent and experience to do so.

Let's not pretend vet teams with vet players don't know how to pick their spots.

You guys are talking like we would only have 1 loss right now if Rick Carlisle was our coach. Coaches don't miss shots or blow defensive assignments. Players do. Derek Fisher wasn't the one turning the ball over in Charlotte. His starters were. You guys scream for more D-Will, and when Fisher put him in on Thursday, he wiped out our entire lead by himself.

This is a flawed, borderline playoff team who is playing extremely hard and very solidly against top 10 teams in this league. The coach isn't the main issue here.

Fisher literally blamed himself for Knicks' late game woes

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video

see the nyk-cle post game video

fisher is the main issue and it's not even arguable

getting 1 win instead of 0 against these top teams is a big difference and is completely reasonable

All coaches take blame for losses. My guy, I hope you arent serious.

No they dont....

Coaches often start with things like "we have to execute" or "we have to get more stops"

[Johnny Hoops]

I just find raggin on Fisher for the team losing to teams that have world champs on it is rather odd. So unless you think this team is a championship caliber, what are you personally expecting?

Being competitive against such clubs is more than solid from this squad, and as much as I don't like Fisher as a coach that is a great thing in his favor.

This squad is not a better coach away from being on their opponents level.

Totally agreed. I'd almost say he's overachieving relative to the competition.

He's not perfect, but neither is his personnel.

People blaming Fisher for every move he makes are delusional and inaccurate. I have ZERO reason to defend Fisher but the whining over this coach is almost laughable. Blatt did nothing special last night - his players just made plays down the stretch. Melo did little late and AA missed 2 wide open corner 3's. Could not get any crucial stops. Melo as is par for course dominates in meaningless minutes and Lebron dominates late in crucial minutes. Ballgame.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Being competitive against such clubs at full strength is something to hang your hat on. Giving games away to such teams first when they're stinking up the joint with 3 key players missing, then at home when you throw **** rotations out giving up your lead in the 4th makes us worse than mediocre. It means we'll have to overachieve against average teams since the above omissions made the Cavs an average team. We can't play at full strength and fight for our lives to overcome flawed teams and so far this season the Cavs have looked extremely beatable.

Firstly, this team hasnt been together long enough to tout "home court advantage", they just moved in the house so to speak.

Secondly, any team with LeBron is a favorite to win most matches, so being competitive when they are short hand is still a plus, and the only player of note they are missing was Kyrie, everyone else of note played.

Same team minus Love and Kyrie played in the finals to game 6, but with one year of more experience, we're "supposed" to win?

We had a chance, thats enough for a rebuilding club. I really dont think folks realize what this squad really is...I really dont.

Fam I've given up.

I've said in 3 PG threads (this being the third) that basically people are really deluding themselves into how good they think this team is. I don't like repeating myself so I guess I'll just avoid the PG threads from now on.

And even with me saying 28-35 wins, at BEST this team could get 38 wins & that's me being delusional myself

I'm so shocked at how the chemistry of this team is being overlooked, you can't seriously expect a team that pretty much revamped their roster to play out their sets & late game situations to perfection. You also can't expect a 2nd year coach to not have issues while leading a bunch of rookies & role players.

We're a rebuilding team, that is what this board wanted right?

We aren't going to win every game, the fact we're close in damn near every game is by far exceeding my expectations. The fact we're 4-6 has me quietly wondering if maybe I downplayed Derek Fisher a bit.

I really, really believe people think this team is better than what the team really is & it has me so sad for them because the reality is gonna hit & it'll be a megaton bomb for them.

Dudes are on here acting like we're the Rockets with a 4-5 record and not the Knicks

[NBA Fan 1234]

Fisher literally blamed himself for Knicks' late game woes

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video

see the nyk-cle post game video

fisher is the main issue and it's not even arguable

getting 1 win instead of 0 against these top teams is a big difference and is completely reasonable

All coaches take blame for losses. My guy, I hope you arent serious.

No they dont....

Coaches often start with things like "we have to execute" or "we have to get more stops"

https://www.google.com/search?q=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&oq=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&aqs=chrome..69i57.4143j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

Yes...they do...

[NBA Fan 1234]

I just find raggin on Fisher for the team losing to teams that have world champs on it is rather odd. So unless you think this team is a championship caliber, what are you personally expecting?

Being competitive against such clubs is more than solid from this squad, and as much as I don't like Fisher as a coach that is a great thing in his favor.

This squad is not a better coach away from being on their opponents level.

Totally agreed. I'd almost say he's overachieving relative to the competition.

He's not perfect, but neither is his personnel.

People blaming Fisher for every move he makes are delusional and inaccurate. I have ZERO reason to defend Fisher but the whining over this coach is almost laughable. Blatt did nothing special last night - his players just made plays down the stretch. Melo did little late and AA missed 2 wide open corner 3's. Could not get any crucial stops. Melo as is par for course dominates in meaningless minutes and Lebron dominates late in crucial minutes. Ballgame.

Yep. I'll admit I was livid with Fisher at the end of the game, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized it's stupid - I'm still not a fan and think he has a lot to show before I become one, but he doesn't deserve the full blame. He drew up two unbelievable plays that we just didn't execute on. What he can be blamed for is letting Thomas inbound the ball instead of KOQ who is a better passer and for letting Thomas/Lou play at the same time down the stretch.

[Johnny Hoops]

I'm not ignoring anything lol

contenders are not invincible. we have beaten those same contenders last season even.

I understand that teams like the cavs and spurs are what they are because of 4th quarter performances. but that doesnt mean that we should lose to them just because of gross tactical competence.

against the cavs and spurs we have put up 12 and 14 point quarters and have put out lineups that were nowhere to be seen during the rest of the game, when we were playing at or above their level.

I do expect loses to the cavs and spurs more often than not. we should be 1-3 against the cavs, spurs, and hawks, not 0-4. I'm being generous here because we were in phenomenal position to go 2-2 if it werent for **** coaching.

my problem is not just with the games against the contenders. we are being outcoached against non-contenders too. stop acting like our problems only exist against the cavs and spurs, because they dont.

Or...maybe the we were playing over our heads for a bit and the Cavs and Hawks and Spurs were just saving themselves for the 2nd half because they have the talent and experience to do so.

Let's not pretend vet teams with vet players don't know how to pick their spots.

You guys are talking like we would only have 1 loss right now if Rick Carlisle was our coach. Coaches don't miss shots or blow defensive assignments. Players do. Derek Fisher wasn't the one turning the ball over in Charlotte. His starters were. You guys scream for more D-Will, and when Fisher put him in on Thursday, he wiped out our entire lead by himself.

This is a flawed, borderline playoff team who is playing extremely hard and very solidly against top 10 teams in this league. The coach isn't the main issue here.

Fisher literally blamed himself for Knicks' late game woes

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video

see the nyk-cle post game video

fisher is the main issue and it's not even arguable

getting 1 win instead of 0 against these top teams is a big difference and is completely reasonable

Ignorant and uninformed post but join the crowd. This is the NBA - players have to execute down the stretch. I could see this ending coming a mile away as Melo was going off in first half because I've seen this movie 100 times before.

[NYKat]

I just find raggin on Fisher for the team losing to teams that have world champs on it is rather odd. So unless you think this team is a championship caliber, what are you personally expecting?

Being competitive against such clubs is more than solid from this squad, and as much as I don't like Fisher as a coach that is a great thing in his favor.

This squad is not a better coach away from being on their opponents level.

Totally agreed. I'd almost say he's overachieving relative to the competition.

He's not perfect, but neither is his personnel.

People blaming Fisher for every move he makes are delusional and inaccurate. I have ZERO reason to defend Fisher but the whining over this coach is almost laughable. Blatt did nothing special last night - his players just made plays down the stretch. Melo did little late and AA missed 2 wide open corner 3's. Could not get any crucial stops. Melo as is par for course dominates in meaningless minutes and Lebron dominates late in crucial minutes. Ballgame.

Also Fisher drew up a great lame game play for an oop for Porzingis, Lance blew the pass.

Afflao had a great look for a three that he couldn't convert.

It's unreasonable to blame Fisher for those miscues....You may have an argument that Lance shouldn't throw the lob pass, but it's more on the players to be able to execute the play than a fire able offense from the coach.

[IAmTheBest]

All coaches take blame for losses. My guy, I hope you arent serious.

No they dont....

Coaches often start with things like "we have to execute" or "we have to get more stops"

https://www.google.com/search?q=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&oq=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&aqs=chrome..69i57.4143j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

Yes...they do...

your link doesnt prove anything

you claimed that coaches "always" blame themselves

this link doesnt prove that.

coaches usually blame themselves when the blame rightfully falls on them

[NBA Fan 1234]

No they dont....

Coaches often start with things like "we have to execute" or "we have to get more stops"

https://www.google.com/search?q=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&oq=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&aqs=chrome..69i57.4143j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

Yes...they do...

your link doesnt prove anything

you claimed that coaches "always" blame themselves

this link doesnt prove that.

coaches usually blame themselves when the blame rightfully falls on them

First off, I wasn't the one who said that. I have a blue name like Thugger, but you can at least read who's posting what. Second, I'm sure Thugger meant it in hyperbole. Third, that link DOES prove that coaches take blame for losses quite often.

[IAmTheBest]

https://www.google.com/search?q=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&oq=coaches+take+blame+for+losses+nba&aqs=chrome..69i57.4143j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

Yes...they do...

your link doesnt prove anything

you claimed that coaches "always" blame themselves

this link doesnt prove that.

coaches usually blame themselves when the blame rightfully falls on them

First off, I wasn't the one who said that. I have a blue name like Thugger, but you can at least read who's posting what. Second, I'm sure Thugger meant it in hyperbole. Third, that link DOES prove that coaches take blame for losses quite often.

You literally agreed with him. That means youre saying the same thing Thugger is saying.

Quite often =/= always

there is zero evidence to say that fisher was blaming himself just because all coaches blame themselves. I don't knwo why you guys are trying look for every single way to give fisher a pass

fisher said it himself, and the proof is in the pudding when you watch the games

[NBA Fan 1234]

your link doesnt prove anything

you claimed that coaches "always" blame themselves

this link doesnt prove that.

coaches usually blame themselves when the blame rightfully falls on them

First off, I wasn't the one who said that. I have a blue name like Thugger, but you can at least read who's posting what. Second, I'm sure Thugger meant it in hyperbole. Third, that link DOES prove that coaches take blame for losses quite often.

You literally agreed with him. That means youre saying the same thing Thugger is saying.

Quite often =/= always

there is zero evidence to say that fisher was blaming himself just because all coaches blame themselves. I don't knwo why you guys are trying look for every single way to give fisher a pass

fisher said it himself, and the proof is in the pudding when you watch the games

Is this your first time on a message board? Do you not understand that not everything should be taken for its 100% exact/literal meaning? (This is a tip for real life - don't.)

Thugger did not mean every single time a coach loses, he takes the blame. You honestly cannot believe that, can you?

We're not looking for reasons to give Fisher a pass. I've been hard on him since the first game, but have also realized that some things are simply not his fault.

You gotta chill, dude. You were already warned in the past for similar behavior...

[IAmTheBest]

First off, I wasn't the one who said that. I have a blue name like Thugger, but you can at least read who's posting what. Second, I'm sure Thugger meant it in hyperbole. Third, that link DOES prove that coaches take blame for losses quite often.

You literally agreed with him. That means youre saying the same thing Thugger is saying.

Quite often =/= always

there is zero evidence to say that fisher was blaming himself just because all coaches blame themselves. I don't knwo why you guys are trying look for every single way to give fisher a pass

fisher said it himself, and the proof is in the pudding when you watch the games

Is this your first time on a message board? Do you not understand that not everything should be taken for its 100% exact/literal meaning? (This is a tip for real life - don't.)

Thugger did not mean every single time a coach loses, he takes the blame. You honestly cannot believe that, can you?

We're not looking for reasons to give Fisher a pass. I've been hard on him since the first game, but have also realized that some things are simply not his fault.

You gotta chill, dude. You were already warned in the past for similar behavior...

Words have meaning. Thugger said all coaches take the blame for losses and then proceeded to add in a laughing gif and ask me if i'm serious, implying that I'm a joker for even thinking otherwise. How else am I supposed to interpret it?

What is wrong with my behaviour? I thought we were having a decent discussion.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I give up.

[BBALLER4FR]

Being competitive against such clubs at full strength is something to hang your hat on. Giving games away to such teams first when they're stinking up the joint with 3 key players missing, then at home when you throw **** rotations out giving up your lead in the 4th makes us worse than mediocre. It means we'll have to overachieve against average teams since the above omissions made the Cavs an average team. We can't play at full strength and fight for our lives to overcome flawed teams and so far this season the Cavs have looked extremely beatable.

Firstly, this team hasnt been together long enough to tout "home court advantage", they just moved in the house so to speak.

Secondly, any team with LeBron is a favorite to win most matches, so being competitive when they are short hand is still a plus, and the only player of note they are missing was Kyrie, everyone else of note played.

Same team minus Love and Kyrie played in the finals to game 6, but with one year of more experience, we're "supposed" to win?

We had a chance, thats enough for a rebuilding club. I really dont think folks realize what this squad really is...I really dont.

Fam I've given up.

I've said in 3 PG threads (this being the third) that basically people are really deluding themselves into how good they think this team is. I don't like repeating myself so I guess I'll just avoid the PG threads from now on.

And even with me saying 28-35 wins, at BEST this team could get 38 wins & that's me being delusional myself

I'm so shocked at how the chemistry of this team is being overlooked, you can't seriously expect a team that pretty much revamped their roster to play out their sets & late game situations to perfection. You also can't expect a 2nd year coach to not have issues while leading a bunch of rookies & role players.

We're a rebuilding team, that is what this board wanted right?

We aren't going to win every game, the fact we're close in damn near every game is by far exceeding my expectations. The fact we're 4-6 has me quietly wondering if maybe I downplayed Derek Fisher a bit.

I really, really believe people think this team is better than what the team really is & it has me so sad for them because the reality is gonna hit & it'll be a megaton bomb for them.

Give up if you want but for the last 3 coaches (minus Woodson) we've watched this same scenario play out.

1. The coach does mind numbingly unconventional things
2. The "level headed posters" point and laugh at discussion and point out how right they are
3. Ultimately it repeatedly ends in Knicks embarrassment.

Hey, maybe this is your time to be right (rooting for you man) but 3 out of the last four coaches have started awful, substituted poorly and inexplicable monkey-wrenched chemistry, a handful of fans keep preaching patience and how "pleased we are with the record despite..." and in the end the coach rams bull$hit down your throat en-route to history making laughability (and sometimes they win meaningless games to screw draft positioning...just saying). But again, I'm rooting for your theory because Knicks personnel have lost my benefit of doubt.