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Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#241 » by lin is ok » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:12 pm

steady wrote:I don't think it's about losing trust or broken promises or anything like that. No one expected Lamb to be as good as he has been. And so quickly. So that is shaking out but there are still also a number of other open questions. We won't know for a while what the final picture will be.

Lin just has to keep playing well and he will be fine.
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Based on the rotations . Lin comes in 1st Quarter with 2 minutes left . Last player from the bench. sorry nobody is going to hit in contention for 6th man of the year with that sort of rotation. Want to try that with Lamb?
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#242 » by Teddyb » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:48 pm

Lin has finished every game that he played well.....? Whats the problem. They are trying to win....
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Post#243 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:51 pm

Jeremy spent time in Chicago with a 6yr old child, pediatric cancer patient, on the 1 year anniversary of her transplant this month.

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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#244 » by JDR720 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:19 pm

Im not sure i get the uproar over Lin's minutes. he is playing 22mpg thats comparable to what most top backup PG's get.

Livingston 20mpg
Schroder 23mpg
Mills 21mpg
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Post#245 » by Teddyb » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:31 pm

and when he's playing well he's finishing games.....?
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Post#246 » by fafan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:42 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not sure i get the uproar over Lin's minutes. he is playing 22mpg thats comparable to what most top backup PG's get.

Livingston 20mpg
Schroder 23mpg
Mills 21mpg


OK, let's compare.

Lin 22mpg 12.2 pts. 2.2 Reb 2.9 Ast. Pie 11.7
Livingston 20mpg 4.7 pts. 1.7 Reb 2.2 Ast. Pie 5.9
Schroder 23mpg 12 pts. 2 Reb 4.1 Ast. Pie 10.8
Mills 21mpg 8.1 pts. 1.7 Reb 2.6 Ast. Pie 10.4

My understanding, should be given Lin more PT when he plays well. Especially, he is one of the best PG/SGs so far shows in this team.
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Post#247 » by Vae Victus » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:49 pm

His fans (myself included) are just confused why he would choose this team of all teams to "showcase" himself as a backup playing 18-20 mins a game. The money is low, the fit is totally wrong, he's not getting mins, or trust/leash. If he was totes cool with being a backup, why not goto the Cavs, Clippers, Raps, Bulls, Grizz etc etc... Those teams are playoff squads with weak benches or need some backup PG help, its hard to see any of them turning down Lin for just a measly 2 mil a year when theyre paying utter scrubs more.

Lin is just killing himself picking this situation and saying nothing. He needs to push for a trade if this continues and im sure plenty of playoff squads would be more than happy to offer up a 2nd rounder for his services at his price. At least if his mins are cut its cuz he's backing up a stronger starting PG, cuz quite frankly i'm still seeing the same **** from Kemba that has gotten his the ire of many fan/analyst. Undersized bad defense chucker who has "moxie", basically he tops out as a Jamal Crawford microwave type but with more passing ability. Honestly this team is going nowhere unless they upgrade their cornerstone players, at least Big Al is gone, but Kemba being Kemba is a huge hole going into the playoffs.

Can Lin be better? I think so, hell even with his reduced role he's still able to put up pretty good stats, even on teams that are the POLAR OPPOSITE of how he likes to play.

Meh, we'll see what happens. Just not hopeful as i used to be.
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Post#248 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:01 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not sure i get the uproar over Lin's minutes. he is playing 22mpg thats comparable to what most top backup PG's get.

Livingston 20mpg
Schroder 23mpg
Mills 21mpg


Context. Those guys are on winning teams flushed with talent and at the top of their conference, even considered contenders.

Lin is not on such a team with the Hornets. The Hornets don't have the luxury of under-utilizing or idling talent. So it's frustrating to see him sidelined when we know he has the ability to take over games and help the team win.

In the Bulls game, he was playing good defense and starting to make his shots and get into the groove when he was pulled. With the subbing pattern, there's not much time for a rhythm player like him to warm up. And even when he's playing very well or even Linsanity level like the Knicks game, he still didn't have the opportunity for more minutes and thus more impact to help the team, due to the subbing pattern (they literally could not find a way to give him more than 21 minutes even when he was playing at an elite level despite giving him the full fourth quarter with no rest breaks -- that's a problem with minutes distribution).

We saw that the lack of minutes nearly result in a loss in the Knicks game. And it did result in the loss in the Bulls game, with him pulled just as he was warmed up. The Hornets needed someone like him in closing games because of his ability to draw fouls at the end of games. When closing games, his aggression usually ramps up with the intensity and pressure, which means he's able to drive and draw fouls to stop the clock. A valuable skill in a closer. That Bulls game may have ended differently.

The Knicks had a name for him during Linsanity: "Mr. Fourth Quarter." No matter how he played the rest of the game, good or bad, he always kicked it into another gear when closing games in the fourth quarter. They've often seen him play poorly and then redeem himself and pull out the win at the end. As a matter of fact, the Raptors game-winner during Linsanity was one such game. He played rather uninspired for much of the game (with the Knicks trailing the Raptors for the majority of the game), but then turned the almost certain loss into a win with back to back good possessions and then hit the game winner.

That's not an isolated performance, he did that sort of thing often enough, elevating his play into an elite gear in the closing minutes of a game, that the Knicks fans gave him the name "Mr. Fourth Quarter." He continued to have games like that even after Linsanity.

He's a rhythm player who isn't getting the minutes to get into rhythm. He's said that the fourth quarter and closing games is what he lives for, the time when he has the most fun and his play becomes best. It's a mentality that goes back to his high school days, with his high school coach saying that Lin used to come into practice and not take things seriously because he was bored due to the lack of stakes for his competitive fire, but always played up to the competition and moment. The bigger the game, the better he played. It's how his underdog Palo Alto team beat California powerhouse Mater Dei, and we saw it during Linsanity with Mr. Fourth Quarter.

That Bulls game that the Hornets just lost was winnable. And he was pulled just as he was hitting his shots and getting into rhythm. It's frustrating to see the team lose. In the closing minutes (when you're no longer worried about being pulled for fouls due to bad calls or offensive fouls from being too aggressive, and everything on the line), with his groove on, he would have drove aggressively and manufactured free throws. That's a closer skill for freezing the clock that every team needs.

I say free Mr. Fourth Quarter. You saw him in the Knicks game. He didn't get a chance to appear in the Bulls game because he was pulled. And the subbing pattern of him coming last in and first out, with too few minutes is not helping a rhythm player like him.

Also, Livingston/Schroder/Mills did not sign a below market value contract with the expectation of more playing time as Lin seems to indicate in his statements about his conversations with Cliff. They are on winning teams that have enough talent to cut down on the need for them and their minutes, and are top tier teams and/or contenders. The Hornets on the other hand can't afford to squander or mismanage available talent like Lin, due to their razorthin margin of making the playoffs in the first place.

I want the team to win, and giving Lin more minutes (instead of subbing him last in/first out) helps the team's prospects. Lin playing 15 to 20 minutes, maxing out at 21min even with an MVP performance because there's no room for more minutes due to the late subbing despite him playing the full fourth quarter with no rest, does not.

Lin pulled off a triple double off the bench in Houston in less than 30 minutes. Only the third player to do so in NBA history since the 1985-1986 season. He did it with 29 minutes that game. He won't even have the chance to do that here with the Hornets. As we saw, due to the subbing patterns, even if he played great and Cliff gave him the rest of the minutes in the game with zero rest breaks, he maxed out at 21 minutes. That's a problem, and hurts the team's chances to win when you mismanage and squander talent.

I believe Lin needs more playing time if the Hornets want to win. With the current subbing patterns, that's impossible as we saw when he maxed out at 21 minutes even playing extremely well and closing.
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Post#249 » by JDR720 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:14 pm

unless im forgetting someone this is the first team Lin has been on that has an established starting PG his minutes aren't going to be as high as they have been in the past. he has cut into Kemba's minutes. Kemba normally plays around 35mins, this season that is down to 32. actually, only 3 players on the team are playing over 30mins this season.

and pushing for a trade will just make him look bad.
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Post#250 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:24 pm

I'd actually like to see Lin get a few more minutes, but that has more to do with how I view Kemba Walker than Lins play.
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Post#251 » by TTNN » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:35 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not sure i get the uproar over Lin's minutes. he is playing 22mpg thats comparable to what most top backup PG's get.

Livingston 20mpg
Schroder 23mpg
Mills 21mpg


All of them are backing up All-Stars or MVP....... .And they are playing on a team with multiple All-stars or superstars....... which is not the case in this team.... just saying..
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Post#252 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:42 pm

JDR720 wrote:unless im forgetting someone this is the first team Lin has been on that has an established starting PG his minutes aren't going to be as high as they have been in the past. he has cut into Kemba's minutes. Kemba normally plays around 35mins, this season that is down to 32. actually, only 3 players on the team are playing over 30mins this season.

and pushing for a trade will just make him look bad.


There's no realistic chance for a trade, nor would Lin ask or push for one. He's not that type of person, even when Asik (who was in similar straits as Lin, sidelined by Howard the way Lin was sidelined for Harden) publicly used his agent to push for a trade. Lin just buckled down and tried to adjust his game the best he could to help the team win. He's not a malcontent or locker room cancer. He'll just serve out his year here, rooting for the team and trying his best for his coach and teammates, and then perhaps leave in the summer after having learned better defensive techniques from Cliff to make himself an even more complete player for wherever he signs his next contract. Just as he became a better off-ball catch and shoot 3pt player with his Houston years, he'll become a better defensive player under Cliff before he goes wherever he signs his next contract, if he doesn't stay here.

The push by fans is not for a trade (since anyone with sense would see it's not realistic) but for the Hornets to win and make the playoffs -- by giving Lin more minutes so he can help the team do that! Just as others have pushed for more minutes for Kaminsky or Lamb or whoever.

When he pulled out the win in the very close Knicks game, I warned that he may not always have enough time to get into rhythm or pull out the same heroics given the little time he has on the court to influence the game. I said the Hornets were playing with fire by risking a loss with so little playing time for Lin. And it came true with the Bulls game; he didn't have enough time to work his magic and the Hornets lost. No one is happy with the loss, least of all Lin.

It's my belief that giving him more playing time and thus increasing his influence on a game, is more likely to result in a win than a loss. Others may differ, and that's fine.

I don't think there's any realistic talk or push about any trade. Though I'm sure there will always be trade rumors from those looking for clickbait hits.

Lin said he hoped he'd found a home here in Charlotte. And so did his fans. If he's wrong, he'll have the chance to correct that mistake in the summer. He wouldn't ask for a trade and undermine the team (he didn't even when Asik did). He'll try his best this year to help the team make the playoffs by doing whatever is asked of him, and rooting for all his teammates. In the summer, he'll reassess and if he did make a mistake believing he would have a home in Charlotte and that this was the place to get the most minutes playing his style as he stated coming in, he will correct the mistake.

Let's leave that for the off-season. It will take care of itself then. And let's ignore any trade rumors, since none of those are realistic. People just want to see the team win and make the playoffs. And that means giving Lin more minutes.

He achieved the feat of a triple double off the bench in less than 30 minutes, third guy to do so in NBA history since 1985-1986. But I don't think even he can accomplish it in 18 to 21 minutes.
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Post#253 » by lin is ok » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:32 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im not sure i get the uproar over Lin's minutes. he is playing 22mpg thats comparable to what most top backup PG's get.

Livingston 20mpg
Schroder 23mpg
Mills 21mpg


cause all these guys are getting paid. Jeremy took a pay cut . even u guys can't believe it.
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Post#254 » by lin is ok » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:44 pm

I am just astounded, that there's a glass ceiling of 22 mins when he is playing well and it drops to 17 minutes if he fails to deliver in the 1st half.
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Post#255 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:45 pm

Moderator from JLinPortal will be sitting behind the bench in her JLin Foundation shirt. I wonder if we'll see her on TV.

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Post#256 » by lin is ok » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:56 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd actually like to see Lin get a few more minutes, but that has more to do with how I view Kemba Walker than Lins play.

Remember that Knicks game? Clifford actually inserted Kemba back in , but he got an injury scare and he was taken off. That game could have ended really differently if Kemba stayed on. I wonder what was Clifford's plan in bringing Kemba back in ? defensive specialist?
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Post#257 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:59 pm

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Post#258 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:00 pm

spaceballer wrote:Moderator from JLinPortal will be sitting behind the bench in her JLin Foundation shirt. I wonder if we'll see her on TV.

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I'd do her.
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Post#259 » by fatlever » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:06 pm

So, did it only take 9 games for the Lin fans to completely turn on another franchise and start asking for Lin to demand a trade?

I'm happy that Lin and the Hornets aren't as fickle as Lin's fans.
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Post#260 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:08 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I'd do her.

hahaha. LP, you're one of a kind.
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