Game 10: Detroit Pistons (5-4) Vs. Los Angeles Lakers (1-8) 9:30PM

[Liqourish]

Oh and seriously FIRE DAVE HOPLA!!!

honestly anytime you bring in a coach to coach players who's form ain't 100% fundemental, there are going to be tweaks and drops in percentage as the player struggles staying consistent with current form and not going back to the old one. I'd give hopla a pass.

Nope. Ten games is too many. FIRE EVERYONE!!

[Blkbrd671]

Honestly starting to wonder if we should have drafted Winslow. Johnson looks clumsy, unsure of himself, and he cant shoot.

WHY!? have you even watched him play. He's regulated to strictly defense, which he's been good at. But yoru comment making it sound like we missed out when in actuality the clear holes in his game explain his fall to 10th. Johnson looks unsure, uneasy, and at times out of control. wonder if the fact HE'S A ROOKIE! has anythign to do with it.


This is more a product of your over expectation than SJ playing poorly for a rookie

[Todd3]

I don't think Morris and Reggie fit together. There seems to be like a Smith-Jennings dynamic going on there, where you have 2 ball dominant iso scorers at the PG & F spots, making it hard to have any flow when one is always stopping the ball. You can have flow with one ball dominator (most PGs are), but both are one too many.

When Reggie and the offense were great last year it was with a spot up shooter/role player at SF with Butler. I think that is the formula that fits with this system and Morris just needs the ball too much to be a good fit.

I also think there is kind of a Monroe-Reggie dynamic there too, with Morris spending so much time in the post areas, he is crowding the pick & roll space like Monroe did.

Reggie is over-dribbling no doubt (and tonight he was awful) but I do think a lot of it has to do with the personnel around him. You could make a case that Morris/KCP/Ersan are all bench players on good teams. So not only are they poor fits, but they aren't that talented offensively either, putting a lot on Reggie to always carry the offense.

All said, I think fatigue is a factor here too all around, and we probably won't know for sure what we have as a team until the schedule balances out more.

[Blkbrd671]

LOL at clowns burying SJ already...get real...your like 2-3 years to early with this ****..he's looked like a rookie deal with it..kid is 19

He can't even dunk the ball on a break-away without traveling.. I've noticed weaknesses in him that are glaring.

1.) Lebron can't dunk without traveling.............whats the point
2.) God forbid we draft a 19 year old player with weaknessess. Good thing WInslow has 0 weakness's and is game ready since day 1.


Hans HANS get it together bud. Its RJ's fault.........or morris..........most definitely blake, sometimes KCP. OVerall its Josh smith

[Todd3]

Honestly starting to wonder if we should have drafted Winslow. Johnson looks clumsy, unsure of himself, and he cant shoot.

WHY!? have you even watched him play. He's regulated to strictly defense, which he's been good at. But yoru comment making it sound like we missed out when in actuality the clear holes in his game explain his fall to 10th. Johnson looks unsure, uneasy, and at times out of control. wonder if the fact HE'S A ROOKIE! has anythign to do with it.


This is more a product of your over expectation than SJ playing poorly for a rookie

Winslow is surrounded by HOF vets and just asked to fill in here and there. Johnson is surrounded by young guys still learning how to play themselves. Easy to forget Reggie/Morris have never started a full season before. 2 different situations. We gotta be patient with Johnson. The potential is there.

[Pistone]

svg's fault. we had a momentum, then he replaced dinwiddie for rj

this is the key of the game
3 for tolliver,72-69 pistons, 9 minutes left
out spencer, in reggie (who was simply exhausted, like morris. don't forget that both are bench guys before this season)
2 consecutive turnover by RJ and lakers runs 13-2

I don't like SVGs lineup changes at all. He seems to take out the wrong players and leaves hurtful players in too long. Then of course the 4 bench guys with either Morris or Ersan who aren't contributing kills all momentum for a good 3 or 4 minutes before they start to click and then he goes back to starters. I just don't know why he hinders the team in this way. Ride the hot hands. Stop going to whole lineup changes.

so much minutes for the starters (except ilyasova) after the game against indiana
stan should have to involve more the bench and give more rest to the starters after oakland.
yesterday good first half. totally collapsed in the 2nd. tonight was brutal. the team looks tired by tip off.

it's not understandable that marcus morris (22mpg in career) is playing 38.6 mpg
it's not understandable that reggie bullock was "sentenced to death" after 4 minutes played against indiana
it's not understandable that spencer played just 7 minutes in the season before tonight and steve "il morto" blake 135 !

this is a playoffs management

[Blkbrd671]

Before anyone hops onto the "we should have drafted winslow" bandwagon


You look like idiots making this assertion 10 games into a season. Its one thing if JW is blowing up, and SJ is stuck behind bullock, but he's not, SVG seems to trust him and having good games and moments of his own..................so please stop trolling or being blind!

[Todd3]

All in all, 5-5 with 7 of 10 on the road vs the 3rd toughest SOS (for a young team that started 5-23 last year) is still an improvement. I bet if we look back most here would've taken 2-4 and coming back 5-5. It only feels disappointing because we started so well, but we are still in a good position to accomplish our season goals. You have to figure some shots will eventually start going.

[DEEP3CL]

Honestly starting to wonder if we should have drafted Winslow. Johnson looks clumsy, unsure of himself, and he cant shoot.

Stanley will be a better player than Winslow in the long run. Him being a west coast product I've seen him since his young AAU days. Problem is your coach is being a true hard ass and making him earn his time and spot on the team. The reality of that is these guys have been spoon fed everything their whole life...but Stanley is a smart dude he'll figure it out.

[Blkbrd671]

Honestly starting to wonder if we should have drafted Winslow. Johnson looks clumsy, unsure of himself, and he cant shoot.

Stanley will be a better player than Winslow in the long run. Him being a west coast product I've seen him since his young AAU days. Problem is your coach is being a true hard ass and making him earn his time and spot on the team. The reality of that is these guys have been spoon fed everything their whole life...but Stanley is a smart dude he'll figure it out.

i don't think so. SJ is very much a rookie and shows spurts in which he looks loss offensively or trying to force. Defensively he's been great on the ball but bad on the help side
Rebounding has been phenomenal

I think if we want to win SJ stays on the bench until he's proven he's can be consistent on either end if not both

[DetroitPistons]

Oh and seriously FIRE DAVE HOPLA!!!

honestly anytime you bring in a coach to coach players who's form ain't 100% fundemental, there are going to be tweaks and drops in percentage as the player struggles staying consistent with current form and not going back to the old one. I'd give hopla a pass.

Nope. Ten games is too many. FIRE EVERYONE!!

Don't be silly. Just Dave Hopla

The guy is supposed to improve our shooting and this is one of the worst shooting Pistons teams in recent memory (although I expect them to improve, which isn't saying much). We have guys who are normally good shooters but no one has been consistent shooting the ball. If we were moderately struggling to shoot the ball then I wouldn't say anything but this is beyond bad. A change needs to be made.

[Blomberg]

Yep this was a bad loss. 5-5 is still about 2 wins better than I thought we`d be at this point. The trend is concerning, but the starting schedule has been pretty tough for us.

[A_dub06]

Before anyone hops onto the "we should have drafted winslow" bandwagon


You look like idiots making this assertion 10 games into a season. Its one thing if JW is blowing up, and SJ is stuck behind bullock, but he's not, SVG seems to trust him and having good games and moments of his own..................so please stop trolling or being blind!

I'm not jumping on the wagon, I've been a passenger since well before the draft which my posts before and during the draft will confirm.

Johnson is a rookie so mistakes are a given and to expect anything but is as you say, idiotic. Some of the factors making Johnson over Winslow an easier pill to swallow was his readiness that we saw in summer league and pre-season, his shooting %, ability to handle the ball and defence. Ten games in and Winslow has slightly better %'s but less production per 36mins in other stats which should mean that Johnson is the better player, but at this point while being so similar statistically wouldn't you prefer the player with the higher potential which is unquestionably Winslow due to his athleticism and insane defence? The potential is what really gets me and has since draft day. I know we can keep saying "it's only ten games in" and to define a player after ten games is absurd but at some point I know we will wake up to reality and say we passed on a star. I really hope Johnson outplays Winslow and becomes the better player but Winslow for at least a couple years will feel like the one that got away. Wow that really sounds pathetic haha




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[ducler]

ducler, you make the best game threads. So detailed and clean. Props my man.

Also, I see this as a another loss. Just like the King's game, some guy is going to go off on us, like Clarkson, and Randle will have a career night.

Watch Kobe go for 25 too.

Thank you man, I appreciate it

Let's win this game! 3-3 on this road trip would be nice.

I see you're in France. Sorry for what happened over there. heart-breaking.

Thanks Han. It's tough what happens here this year, even more after the January attack, but we'll keep our heads up as we always do and fight against those fools!

Hard loss last night, the team was exhausted and mentally tired too after the game against the Clippers. Harder to see Reggie a little injured. I don't want to see a Dinwiddie/Blake combo at the point for entire games...
**** the NBA for scheduling us this longest road trip at the beginning of the season and for making us the team with the biggest number of back-to-backs.

[cace]

Reggie Jackson <<< 80mil

[DBC10]

At least Dinwiddie looked good. I guess those benchings and watching Steve Blake on the sidelines lit a fire under him.

I still can't believe we went with Steve Blake all those times the guy is clearly done. Stan dun goofed.

[Neptune]

No, no, no, and hell no! I know damn well we didn't overpay for Reggie!

We'll still go slightly under. 500 when it's all said and done. 35-38 games is our ceiling.

[Arp590]

Me and several others mentioned 5+ games ago that our ISO-Ball wasn't going to keep working every game, that Reggie needed to do a better job at getting others involved. We were yelled at for bashing on Reggie but now look where we are..
You can't only criticize a team when they're losing, you have to look at how they're winning and what can be improved upon to ensure that we keep winning.

Marcus needs to come off the bench, we can't have a ball dominant PG with a PF that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

[DBC10]

Me and several others mentioned 5+ games ago that our ISO-Ball wasn't going to keep working every game, that Reggie needed to do a better job at getting others involved. We were yelled at for bashing on Reggie but now look where we are..
You can't only criticize a team when they're losing, you have to look at how they're winning and what can be improved upon to ensure that we keep winning.

Marcus needs to come off the bench, we can't have a ball dominant PG with a PF that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

I've said it from the start of the season. Reggie has his Jekyll and Hyde moments waaaaaaay too frequently. He just doesn't play with poise on a lot of possessions and doesn't know how to drive and kick like he used to.

I'm thinking Morris really may be the problem. Defenders are sticking fairly close to Ersan due to his shooting AKA shooter's gravity and slightly less so with KCP but he's usually on the wings anyways which is away from the lane where RJ likes to drive. It's Morris where the problems start since he'd much rather post up a couple feet outside the paint and go for a contested turn around jumper.

Maybe a lineup of RJ/KCP/SJ/Ersan/Dre may work better.

[vic]

As good as SVG has been over off for this franchise, I hate to say it but all of our underperforming can be blamed on him.

Panicking about Denwitty and bringing in Steve Blake was a very bad decision. Dinwiddie plays well and I swell NBA games he's a smart player and we saw that last year and we have seen it this year.

Most old-school coaches like SVG will give a free pass to all veterans and let them play through mistakes, but young players that are better than veterans, they will yank after the first mistake. This is stupid and it has caused the Pistons to lose games.

Denwitty makes quick decisions, Reggie bullock makes quick decisions with the ball, Stanley Johnson makes quick decisions with the ball. Those three guys need to get minutes. We don't need to be abusing our starters and having them play the most minutes in the league. Fatigue is a problem that new school coaches have learned to avoid.

Instead we've got fatigued starters dribbling the ball instead of passing. With the least amount of assists and the worst offebse