Game Thread #11: Orlando Magic (5-5) vs Washington Wizards (3-4) 11/14 7PM ET

[drsd]

Orlando was down two with 1:04 to go in this road game. That there is a loss, well OK. Tough loss, but Orlando did not need this win (the LA win they did need).

[mojosodope]

So now people are blaming Fournier for Tobias's garbage ass game. Man, this guy gets one excuse made up for him after another. I don't get it. How about Fournier is just playing better than him and Tobes isn't as good as people thought? When is that reality going to finally sink in? Maybe he's not passing him the ball because they don't want the offense to come to a screeching halt.

I'm not going to blame Fournier specifically, but I still think our offense has some issues. I would prefer to see guys making better basketball plays rather than taking shots because it feel like it is their turn to shoot. I think we could do a better job of getting Vuc better looks closer to the basket (and possibly more trips to the foul line) rather than him consistently hitting tough outside jumpers, I think Harris could get better looks if we continued to move the ball unselfishly. This season I haven't seen the ball stopper you claim Harris is, in fact I see actually playing pretty good team basketball for the majority of the time he's on the floor. I'm not sure I want Payton shooting 15 shots for 16 points or anyone else really for that matter.

I'm not sure it's worth arguing how good/bad Harris is because I'm not sure how he would even get into your good graces on a team constructed like this short of playing PG like lebron. How does your PF step up if he doesn't really get the ball down the stretch ?

Serious question, because I am actually interested in your perspective. 11 games into the season do you honestly believe Harris is the player on this team that is most responsible for bringing our offense to a complete halt?

Not this season. Last season the players would stand around and watch him iso and it brought the offense to a halt. I said before this season started that last season, our offense looked better with Fournier at SF than with Harris in that, the ball moved better, offense looked more fluid. That was followed by being accused of being a "Harris hater".

This season Fournier is starting, and Tobias isn't going iso Joe as much...and we're winning more games, while the offense looks much more fluid. With that alone there's nothing else I have to say.

This season, Imo, the offense halts when the team is in a bad shooting slump. In those scenerios id like to see Harris isolated more in order to generate some offense. Matter of fact I think he needs to take some, SOME, shots away from Dipo because I think 15 fga is high. I feel like the team is still getting accustomed to the offense and that adjustments will be made.

IMO the offense looks better and more fluid, but there are times when for extended stretches it just comes to a grinding halt and our guys completely revert to "my turn to shoot" basketball. I don't know who starts it, who's fault it is or isn't. You call it a bad shooting slump, most likely because this season it hansn't been harris doing the shooting. During these stretches when the offense halts I see bad offense and bad shots that are sometimes easily overlooked if/when they fall

[Blue_and_Whte]

I'm not going to blame Fournier specifically, but I still think our offense has some issues. I would prefer to see guys making better basketball plays rather than taking shots because it feel like it is their turn to shoot. I think we could do a better job of getting Vuc better looks closer to the basket (and possibly more trips to the foul line) rather than him consistently hitting tough outside jumpers, I think Harris could get better looks if we continued to move the ball unselfishly. This season I haven't seen the ball stopper you claim Harris is, in fact I see actually playing pretty good team basketball for the majority of the time he's on the floor. I'm not sure I want Payton shooting 15 shots for 16 points or anyone else really for that matter.

I'm not sure it's worth arguing how good/bad Harris is because I'm not sure how he would even get into your good graces on a team constructed like this short of playing PG like lebron. How does your PF step up if he doesn't really get the ball down the stretch ?

Serious question, because I am actually interested in your perspective. 11 games into the season do you honestly believe Harris is the player on this team that is most responsible for bringing our offense to a complete halt?

Not this season. Last season the players would stand around and watch him iso and it brought the offense to a halt. I said before this season started that last season, our offense looked better with Fournier at SF than with Harris in that, the ball moved better, offense looked more fluid. That was followed by being accused of being a "Harris hater".

This season Fournier is starting, and Tobias isn't going iso Joe as much...and we're winning more games, while the offense looks much more fluid. With that alone there's nothing else I have to say.

This season, Imo, the offense halts when the team is in a bad shooting slump. In those scenerios id like to see Harris isolated more in order to generate some offense. Matter of fact I think he needs to take some, SOME, shots away from Dipo because I think 15 fga is high. I feel like the team is still getting accustomed to the offense and that adjustments will be made.

IMO the offense looks better and more fluid, but there are times when for extended stretches it just comes to a grinding halt and our guys completely revert to "my turn to shoot" basketball. I don't know who starts it, who's fault it is or isn't. You call it a bad shooting slump, most likely because this season it hansn't been harris doing the shooting. During these stretches when the offense halts I see bad offense and bad shots that are sometimes easily overlooked if/when they fall

We're kinda saying the same thing. I feel like Tobes needs to be featured a little more, without over doing the iso's. I think theyre just tyring to shoot out of those scoring droughts which is what theyre supposed to do. I feel like the scoring is little more balanced but that shot distribution can improve a little more. Its going to come with time.