Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Great game today by Seraphin

What's your opinion of Seraphin after seeing him for a few months?
I see his stats are worse than his time in DC, but what's your take?

Not so positive, he shots a lot, in the post sometimes is a block hole never pass the ball back, but today i give some props was our best Big man, passed well Big shot to take the lead, good Game, he can be usefull at times

Preach!

Consistent with what I felt after ever season. He can score. Not many back him down in the post. He's actually athletic enough to man up own dudes like Boogie Cousins and Andre Drummond.

However...

Loves to shoot.

Does not use well what the Good Lord gave him IMO. I got thrilled when he came to the Wizards because Seraphin pounded a punch from his huge fist into his opposite hand's palm. I thought he'd be an intimidating presence.

Nah, he plays with snakes and he likes peace basketball...so far.

Knicks fans need to stay patient. Phil Jackson is from the old school. Guys like Luke Jackson were in his era. He was coaching when Maurice Lucas was playing. Phil will likely talk with Derrick Fisher. Kyle O'Quinn is tough, but K Sera has the body and athletic ability to be a BEAST.

He's IMO more of a huge PF than a C.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Terrence Jones came back two games ago for Houston, he's been great individually:

vs DEN: 23pts/7reb/4blk on 9-12 fg (3-4 3pt)
vs DAL: 23pts/6reb/3lk on 10-15 fg (1-3 3pt)


We need to seriously target this guy

Agreed.

(Plus 1? Is that better than reply!)

He's got game
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I'd be ECSTATIC with him and neither of Cousins or Durant.

Cap, balanced roster, Kentucky connection--could easily see TJ eventually attract KD.

Terrance Jones has all star potential.

[fishercob]

Cousins just put up 30 in the second half, and 40 overall in a win over the Nets.

Kings are 3-3 with Cousins, 0-4 without. (Cousins haters, comments???)

Rondo just had his third triple double in the last 4 games.

And he just put up a monster game to beat the Raptors.

He's taking 20% of his shots from three and making an insane 44% of them. Many (most?) appear to be from the top as a trailer on the break.

He's imperfect (are't we all), but he's young, insanely talented, and locked into a cheap contract. As Beal sits out with yet another injury, I am becoming more open to going after DMC, to exorcise the demons of Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, et al.

I think that Cousins' overall skill -- his athleticism, ballhandling, passing, and shooting range -- mean that he could play a decent chunk of 4 alongside Gortat (if the Kings didnt want him). The Spurs are playing big chunks with Duncan and LMA, the Grizz with Gasol and ZBo. Cousins is really effing good.

[fishercob]

Dub post.

[Induveca]

Cousins just put up 30 in the second half, and 40 overall in a win over the Nets.

Kings are 3-3 with Cousins, 0-4 without. (Cousins haters, comments???)

Rondo just had his third triple double in the last 4 games.

And he just put up a monster game to beat the Raptors.

He's taking 20% of his shots from three and making an insane 44% of them. Many (most?) appear to be from the top as a trailer on the break.

He's imperfect (are't we all), but he's young, insanely talented, and locked into a cheap contract. As Beal sits out with yet another injury, I am becoming more open to going after DMC, to exorcise the demons of Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, et al.

I think that Cousins' overall skill -- his athleticism, ballhandling, passing, and shooting range -- mean that he could play a decent chunk of 4 alongside Gortat (if the Kings didnt want him). The Spurs are playing big chunks with Duncan and LMA, the Grizz with Gasol and ZBo. Cousins is really effing good.

I'm with you. Anyone but Wall and they have my attention.

[LyricalRico]

Listening to some 980 podcasts from last week, and Kevin Sheehan thinks the Wiz make a major in-season move. His target? Zach Randolph. This was in the context of his other opinions: they need to go back to a big lineup and play slower, and Durant's not coming here next summer.

From the Memphis perspective, they are already setup to have a big chunk of cap space next year. But if they are far enough behind at the trade deadline, would they look to clear even more? I don't know. Unless they are semi-confident in being able to attract a pair of top players, they probably aren't going to find a better value than Z-Bo at $10M given what the market is likely to be. Interesting thought, though.

[nate33]

Listening to some 980 podcasts from last week, and Kevin Sheehan thinks the Wiz make a major in-season move. His target? Zach Randolph. This was in the context of his other opinions: they need to go back to a big lineup and play slower, and Durant's not coming here next summer.

From the Memphis perspective, they are already setup to have a big chunk of cap space next year. But if they are far enough behind at the trade deadline, would they look to clear even more? I don't know. Unless they are semi-confident in being able to attract a pair of top players, they probably aren't going to find a better value than Z-Bo at $10M given what the market is likely to be. Interesting thought, though.

Not gonna happen.

It goes against everything the team has done since Ted arrived. Every move EG has made since the start of last summer was designed to position ourselves for KD2DC. Furthermore, every move EG has made since Ted's arrival has been designed to develop Wall and Beal and then put them in position to contend in their primes. You don't do all that and then waste it all on an over-the-hill 34-year-old big man with a style of game that does not mesh with Wall.

The Wizards will make their KD2DC play this summer unless they receive word from the Durant camp that he absolutely won't come here. And if that happens, I think EG will go after younger vets like Terrence Jones or Motiejunas. The only way we end up with Zach Randolph is if we strike out on everyone else and Memphis agrees to trade him to us for cap space and a 2nd rounder so we can rent him for 1-year and then try and reload in 2017 with a guy like Ibaka.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Listening to some 980 podcasts from last week, and Kevin Sheehan thinks the Wiz make a major in-season move. His target? Zach Randolph. This was in the context of his other opinions: they need to go back to a big lineup and play slower, and Durant's not coming here next summer.

From the Memphis perspective, they are already setup to have a big chunk of cap space next year. But if they are far enough behind at the trade deadline, would they look to clear even more? I don't know. Unless they are semi-confident in being able to attract a pair of top players, they probably aren't going to find a better value than Z-Bo at $10M given what the market is likely to be. Interesting thought, though.

Zach Randolph is older than Nenê and is signed for two more seasons after this one. He was good last season, and might be again this year, but this would be a short-sighted, nonsensical move.

[Ruzious]

Dan Roundfield and Otis Thorpe weren't available? Acquiring and depending on players right about to reach over the hill was one of the major problems of the Abe Pollin decades.

[Dat2U]

Listening to some 980 podcasts from last week, and Kevin Sheehan thinks the Wiz make a major in-season move. His target? Zach Randolph. This was in the context of his other opinions: they need to go back to a big lineup and play slower, and Durant's not coming here next summer.

From the Memphis perspective, they are already setup to have a big chunk of cap space next year. But if they are far enough behind at the trade deadline, would they look to clear even more? I don't know. Unless they are semi-confident in being able to attract a pair of top players, they probably aren't going to find a better value than Z-Bo at $10M given what the market is likely to be. Interesting thought, though.

Zach Randolph is older than Nenê and is signed for two more seasons after this one. He was good last season, and might be again this year, but this would be a short-sighted, nonsensical move.

It means there's a good chance it happens...just not in-season. Even if Durant has quietly told them he's not interested, because of all the public gestures and telegraphed moves we made (or didn't make) in effort to be in a position to woo Durant, I don't see the Wizards going all-in on this season in an effort to maintain face and avoid the embarrassment that an early no from Durant would present. I think they'd likely wait until the off-season after it's become publicly clear that Durant is not coming to DC and say they gave it their best shot before making another move.

Zach certainly fits Ernie's mode as an established vet under contract at a position of need. Ernie has never been one for taking big risks in free agency entails so trades for established players (see Okafor/Ariza, Gortat) instead of dipping into a free agent pool seems like a way he'd go.

[Dark Faze]

What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

[pcbothwel]

Personally, I think Nene/Gortat combo with fill ins from Hump/Gooden/Blair will be fine for this year. Id rather just wait until the offseason to make a trade like that.

Jeanne, Stone, Qi, Zimmerman, Diallo, Poeltl, T. Bryant, AJ Hammons, and Ellenson are all a part of an intriguing pool that could be available to us (I assume Skal and Damian Jones will go top 8).

[Ruzious]

What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

No sir, I'm not an Alex believer - never have been. What about the folks who were gushing about him the last couple seasons - I'd like to hear what they think now? Just a temporary setback?

[LyricalRico]

What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

At first thought, I'd say the Suns wouldn't do that. But they did just sign Tyson Chandler to a longterm deal, so maybe.

[nate33]

What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

I like the idea of trading our pick for a younger player on a rookie deal with upside, but Len isn't the right guy. The problem is that he can only play center, and so can Gortat. If we're going to devote significant resources to a backup C, I'd want that guy to also be able to swing over to PF. A guy like Olynyk makes more sense.

[Dark Faze]

Well the idea is that he'd have time to develop into the starter we need once Gortat starts to slow down. His numbers were encouraging last year--1.5 blocks per game in 22 minutes per, and per 36 numbers 10 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.5 BPG. This being done with score first PG's between Dragic, IT, Knight and Bledsoe.

We already have a good backup PF on the roster on a good contract in Hump. Ideally I'd like our starting PF to be covered through free agency via Durant or another all-star caliber player.

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/Temple
Porter/Oubre
Durant/Hump
Gorat/Len

Nice blend of youth there.

[gambitx777]

I would go to the suns and low ball them with players and over pay with picks, I would do this trade
Webby, Blair, and dudley, 2017&2019 unprotected firsts.
for
Morris and len.
Its slightly possible, depending on what the cap ends up being, that we can still swing KD2DC with this trade. This would fix our front court problems, and we have the wing depth to loose dudley, and webster. They might do it for the picks and all 3 players can be gone for cap space after next year. Can we have the cap guys look into the possibility of KD2DC after this trade?

[nate33]

Well the idea is that he'd have time to develop into the starter we need once Gortat starts to slow down. His numbers were encouraging last year--1.5 blocks per game in 22 minutes per, and per 36 numbers 10 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.5 BPG. This being done with score first PG's between Dragic, IT, Knight and Bledsoe.

We already have a good backup PF on the roster on a good contract in Hump. Ideally I'd like our starting PF to be covered through free agency via Durant or another all-star caliber player.

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/Temple
Porter/Oubre
Durant/Hump
Gorat/Len

Nice blend of youth there.

Trading our pick and expiring filler for Len would subtract about $3.6M in cap room. Where we once had about $10.2M in cap room after signing Durant, we would now have just 6.6M in cap room. $6.6M isn't going to be enough for a starting caliber PF. We'd have to make do with Humphries.

So I guess the question is, do you want Terrence Jones (for example) plus our 2016 1st? Or do you want Len plus Humphries?

[Dark Faze]

I wouldn't offer multiple unprotected picks for players of Morris and Lens caliber. You really don't know what could happen--miss out on KD, maybe Wall or Beal goes down, next thing you know you're having a down year and you can't even enjoy your pick.

Nate, between those two choices, it would depend very much on what kind of center talent is available at our pick. If we're not enamored, then I do think I'd prefer Len and Hump with a little less cap space than Jones, our pick, and more cap space.

Main thing is, I think we need to find not just a backup for Gortat, but someone that could reasonably take his place as the starter in two years. Even if we get Durant, if Gortat starts to fall off, we're going to have some very pissed off superstars in DC having to bust ass every night to makeup for a dead big man situation.

The thing I disliked about Len back in the draft was--I thought he'd take forever to develop. Len with 2 and a half to 3 years of development outsourced to Phoenix, it's a different story.

As I said, I'm not even looking at acquiring a starting 4 at the moment because if we get Durant, then it'll be him or Otto there. If we miss him, the target will be a max contract 4 man. Horford, Millsap, etc.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cousins just put up 30 in the second half, and 40 overall in a win over the Nets.

Kings are 3-3 with Cousins, 0-4 without. (Cousins haters, comments???)

Rondo just had his third triple double in the last 4 games.

And he just put up a monster game to beat the Raptors.

He's taking 20% of his shots from three and making an insane 44% of them. Many (most?) appear to be from the top as a trailer on the break.

He's imperfect (are't we all), but he's young, insanely talented, and locked into a cheap contract. As Beal sits out with yet another injury, I am becoming more open to going after DMC, to exorcise the demons of Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, et al.

I think that Cousins' overall skill -- his athleticism, ballhandling, passing, and shooting range -- mean that he could play a decent chunk of 4 alongside Gortat (if the Kings didnt want him). The Spurs are playing big chunks with Duncan and LMA, the Grizz with Gasol and ZBo. Cousins is really effing good.

I'm with you. Anyone but Wall and they have my attention.

I would add Porter. Keep John and Otto.