Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

Roy Tarpley · Post #901 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:11 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Wall is a WAY better point guard than Lin or Walker. He orchestrates the offense significantly better

Until you can provide empirical evidence, I'm afraid I will have to discount your opinion.

C'mon, give me something. Wall does get more assists per 36, which may back up your point about orchestrating the offense better but I'm not sure if it's "significantly better."

HornetJail · Post #902 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:15 am

3rd in AST% each of the last three years, top 10 in assists every year he's played enough games including 2nd each of the last two years, etc etc. Just watch the games, he's head and shoulders above any PG we've had here in the last ten years in terms of playmaking.

I am legitimately astounded we are having this conversation. This isn't close.

Roy Tarpley · Post #903 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:20 am

I guess based on empirical evidence, Wall may be WAY better than Lin this year . . . WAIT, let's look at this year's stats.

Wall (per 36) 40% FG 26% 3PT 76% FT 3.3 REB 9.1 AST 2.4 STL 1.9 BLK 4.6 TO 18.6 PTS
Lin (per 36) 41% FG 33% 3PT 83% FT 3.3 REB 4.8 AST 1.7 STL 0.8 BLK 2.7 TO 19.1 PTS

Hmmm...Wall definitely racks up more assists, and gets more steals and blocks. But they're pretty comparable in FG%, REB, and PTs, and Lin is even better in TOs and 3PTs. I'd give the edge to Wall but certainly not WAY better.

HornetJail · Post #904 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:23 am

The Wizards have been kind of crappy all around, minus Beal. Want to look at Wall's entire body of work over the last 2-3 years instead of ten games where his team has struggled?

Roy Tarpley · Post #905 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:27 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:3rd in AST% each of the last three years, top 10 in assists every year he's played enough games including 2nd each of the last two years, etc etc. Just watch the games, he's head and shoulders above any PG we've had here in the last ten years in terms of playmaking.

I am legitimately astounded we are having this conversation. This isn't close.

Yes, I agree that Wall definitely racks up the assists. But this is only one part of the equation. Rubio gets a ton of assists too but I wouldn't call him a great PG either because he can't shoot.

You focus on assists but conveniently ignore other relevant statistics. Wall's % aren't that great and his turnovers are pretty high. I've seen lots of Wall's game since I live in the DC area and I wouldn't say he's head and shoulders above Lin (at least during Lin's better days on the Rockets. Wall is a lot better than the shell of a player Lin seems to have become on the Hornets his year . . . but again, it's hard to tell with Lin's limited minutes).

Liver_Pooty · Post #906 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:29 am

I think I'm going to be sick. Wall may not be on Currys level. No one is. But he's a top 5 PG. Lin is not on his level. Yeah, it's my opinion and it's shared by 99% of NBA fans.

Roy Tarpley · Post #907 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:29 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:The Wizards have been kind of crappy all around, minus Beal. Want to look at Wall's entire body of work over the last 2-3 years instead of ten games where his team has struggled?

I gave you Wall's CAREER PER 36 next to Lin's CAREER PER 36, I would consider that his entire body of work. Wall's assist numbers are better but that's about it. His percentages are worse and the other numbers are generally the same.

Liver_Pooty · Post #908 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:30 am

Off topic though. I like Lin, but he's no John Wall.

Back to Kemba

Roy Tarpley · Post #909 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:33 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I think I'm going to be sick. Wall may not be on Currys level. No one is. But he's a top 5 PG. Lin is not on his level. Yeah, it's my opinion and it's shared by 99% of NBA fans.

Yeah, the lack of evidence-based reasoning makes me sick too. 99% of NBA fans are Bick Ronnells.

Roy Tarpley · Post #910 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:35 am

Yeah, sorry to get off the topic of Kemba. I just had to get on the soapbox when someone called Wall a "great PG" in the category of Curry and CP3, based on no evidence whatsoever.

Braggins · Post #911 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:42 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Off topic though. I like Lin, but he's no John Wall.

Back to Kemba

Kemba is elite at saying "you know" in interviews. His "you know"s per 36 words are top 3 easy.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #912 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:49 am

But how do Lin, Kemba, and Wall stack up per 28.74 minutes? These are the things we need to know.

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Joest2003 · Post #913 » by **Joest2003** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:53 am

you guys are some savages. I agree Walker needs to get his fg% up but you guys are talking about him like hes John Lucas or something. After all the bad he does he still has one of the highest PER's on the team. I know he deserves criticism but sometimes seems a little overboard sometimes. Just my opinion. I think Walkers time in Charlotte is about up I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade this season.

amcoolio · Post #914 » by **amcoolio** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:16 am

Joest2003 wrote:you guys are some savages. I agree Walker needs to get his fg% up but you guys are talking about him like hes John Lucas or something. After all the bad he does he still has one of the highest PER's on the team. I know he deserves criticism but sometimes seems a little overboard sometimes. Just my opinion. I think Walkers time in Charlotte is about up I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade this season.

We all want Walker to succeed. but he is clearly regressing when he is supposed to be entering his prime. Nothing would be more awesome than for Walker to blossom and overtake Wall and Lowry as PG's this season

EwingSweatsALot · Post #915 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:17 am

We are debating Wall vs Lin??? My word.

Braggins · Post #916 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:13 am

Im hoping for a Lowry like progresssion for Kemba. Players with PG skills who dont have a natural PG feel for the game can take a while to really get it and be able to blossom in the NBA. I think finally playing on a good team with smart and skilled players should do wonders for all our younger guys. For as much as people complain about our player development and our general suckiness, some of you seem to sometimes forget that Kembas entire NBA career up to this point has been in that situation. Hes not some superstar level player who can transcend something like that. Before this season hes had a total of about 3 months of playing on a functional team. Hes unfortunately been the best and pretty much only player we've had who was capable of doing anything on offense and its resulted im bad habits that need to be corrected. He has the tools and hes still fairly young and is a coachable player whi has complete faith in our coach. I think it has been obvious since the start of the 4th quarter of the Bulls game that Clifford is communicating to him what his role needs to be. He played the Portland game like he was playing in the second half of the 2013-2014 season when we were actually good. If he can give us the same production he did then but with reasonable efficiency then he'll be a difference maker for us. Im still holding out hope he can do it. He never got in a good rhythm against Portland and still shot 42%. All he really needs to do is keep his out of rhythm nights in that efficiency range instead of losing his mind and going like 5-16.

Braggins · Post #917 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:19 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:We are debating Wall vs Lin??? My word.

We've now seen Lin vs Curry, Harden, prime Nash, and now Wall comparisons. I think Im going to start acting like Kemba is Allen Iverson, jk...

Post #918 » by **fatlever** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:34 am

1) Anyone trying to argue Lin vs Wall is losing massive credibility
2) Take that ridiculous argument to the Lin thread where it belongs

If you feel the need to respond to this post in defense of Lin, please do it in the Lin thread.

DY_nasty · Post #919 » by **DY_nasty** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:46 am

Kemba's ballhandling is so hilariously misused by no one other than Kemba that its just downright embarrassing at this point. Dude is turning into a free possession for most defenses. Like... dude, you can beat your man. Awesome. Now once you're past him, stop bailing out the defense and short changing your teammates by stopping right before you're at the point where the defense is forced to collapse on you.

Its so simple. I can't even understand it. He's largely not assertive within the new offense at all, but then when he does get the ball its just the above over and over with tiny exceptions here and there. He adds nothing to the team right now. He hits shots that any starting PG short of Rondo and Burke would. Lin's no answer either, but at least he's actually capable of having a real positive impact out there. I cant think of a single game where Kemba was a positive impact start to finish AND made his teammates better at the same time. His best moments are typically digging the team out of holes that he's likely responsible for

Dude can go.

Roy Tarpley · Post #920 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:01 pm

fatlever wrote:1) Anyone trying to argue Lin vs Wall is losing massive credibility
2) Take that ridiculous argument to the Lin thread where it belongs

If you feel the need to respond to this post in defense of Lin, please do it in the Lin thread.

My proposition was more a fact-based argument that John Wall is not a "great PG" in the league of Curry and CP3 rather than a Lin argument. So I may continue it in the "Fun with Facts" thread.

I'm not sure why arguments based on empirical evidence would put someone at risk of losing massive credibility. I've been impressed by the astute analyses and insights on this board so I'm a little surprised that some of the most respected people are making knee-jerk argument without basis in facts. I'm sure people could challenge my argument pretty well based on evidence. Anyways, not trying to troll.