Game 10: Los Angeles Lakers (2-8) @ Phoenix Suns (5-4)

[kennydorglas]

I didn't fact check this, but someone on the general board (I created a thread about Knight there) posted

That 30-15-10-4 line has only been matched or surpassed one time in the last 30 years.

It's true. Of course the only one who could match this would be Westbrook.

[bwgood77]

I didn't fact check this, but someone on the general board (I created a thread about Knight there) posted

That 30-15-10-4 line has only been matched or surpassed one time in the last 30 years.

It's true. Of course the only one who could match this would be Westbrook.

Those 15 assists kind of shock me and of course the 10 boards.

[MrMiyagi]

You guys just do not see it. Of course the Suns beat garbage teams. THESE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE! But you know what, with Markieff, THEY LOST TO GARBAGE TEAMS. Dallas? Oh what a juggernaut. DESTROYED THE SUNS WITH MARKIEFF. Detroit? What an incredible team. LOST TO THEM TOO AT HOME. OKC? Annihilated the Suns with Markieff. The Clippers loss in LA, I forgot how beyond amazing Markieff played that game when he shot 7-22 from the field.

Markieff: 37% fg, 29% 3pts

Leuer: 42% fg, 50% 3 pts

Teletovic: 29% fg, 36% 3 pts


Are the Suns other power forwards that good? Not really. Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN. Seriously some of you guys just want to disagree with me no matter what. This is getting ridiculous. If some of you guys do not see the direct correlation between the Suns playing so much better when Markieff is not in the lineup, then Idk what to tell you.

Are you going to make that argument for James Harden and the Rockets? He's shooting 37% FG, 24% 3pt. I get it Kieff isn't Harden, but he's a much better shooter than he's shot so far this season. He's ice cold right now, but I doubt he stays that way. Kieff is a good scorer and we're going to need him this season.

[rsavaj]

You guys just do not see it. Of course the Suns beat garbage teams. THESE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE! But you know what, with Markieff, THEY LOST TO GARBAGE TEAMS. Dallas? Oh what a juggernaut. DESTROYED THE SUNS WITH MARKIEFF. Detroit? What an incredible team. LOST TO THEM TOO AT HOME. OKC? Annihilated the Suns with Markieff. The Clippers loss in LA, I forgot how beyond amazing Markieff played that game when he shot 7-22 from the field.

Markieff: 37% fg, 29% 3pts

Leuer: 42% fg, 50% 3 pts

Teletovic: 29% fg, 36% 3 pts


Are the Suns other power forwards that good? Not really. Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN. Seriously some of you guys just want to disagree with me no matter what. This is getting ridiculous. If some of you guys do not see the direct correlation between the Suns playing so much better when Markieff is not in the lineup, then Idk what to tell you.

But Detroit and Dallas actually look pretty competitive though...

[Revived]

You guys just do not see it. Of course the Suns beat garbage teams. THESE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE! But you know what, with Markieff, THEY LOST TO GARBAGE TEAMS. Dallas? Oh what a juggernaut. DESTROYED THE SUNS WITH MARKIEFF. Detroit? What an incredible team. LOST TO THEM TOO AT HOME. OKC? Annihilated the Suns with Markieff. The Clippers loss in LA, I forgot how beyond amazing Markieff played that game when he shot 7-22 from the field.

Markieff: 37% fg, 29% 3pts

Leuer: 42% fg, 50% 3 pts

Teletovic: 29% fg, 36% 3 pts


Are the Suns other power forwards that good? Not really. Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN. Seriously some of you guys just want to disagree with me no matter what. This is getting ridiculous. If some of you guys do not see the direct correlation between the Suns playing so much better when Markieff is not in the lineup, then Idk what to tell you.

Perhaps our starting lineup is indeed doing better without Kieff but we still need him off the bench as a 3rd primary scorer.

We need a 3rd scorer because if a team decides to just trap/double Bledsoe and Knight, we need that 3rd weapon who will make them pay. If not for Kieff, Warren's the closest one we have.

[bwgood77]

You guys just do not see it. Of course the Suns beat garbage teams. THESE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE! But you know what, with Markieff, THEY LOST TO GARBAGE TEAMS. Dallas? Oh what a juggernaut. DESTROYED THE SUNS WITH MARKIEFF. Detroit? What an incredible team. LOST TO THEM TOO AT HOME. OKC? Annihilated the Suns with Markieff. The Clippers loss in LA, I forgot how beyond amazing Markieff played that game when he shot 7-22 from the field.

Markieff: 37% fg, 29% 3pts

Leuer: 42% fg, 50% 3 pts

Teletovic: 29% fg, 36% 3 pts


Are the Suns other power forwards that good? Not really. Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN. Seriously some of you guys just want to disagree with me no matter what. This is getting ridiculous. If some of you guys do not see the direct correlation between the Suns playing so much better when Markieff is not in the lineup, then Idk what to tell you.

We still are aware you don't like Markieff.

[Revived]

Warren > Randle

And maybe even Booker > Russel?

[bwgood77]

Warren > Randle

And maybe even Booker > Russel?

Honestly I thought both of those guys were overrated. In this day, Randle's game in the nba doesn't translate terribly well. I think Russell will be decent, but there were people on our forum saying trade everything for him and he is going to be the next big thing.

He may become that, and he has good skills, but he seemed vastly overhyped to me. I think he will become a solid nba player, but a guy to take over a guy like Okafor or Porzingis? Don't know about that.

[MrMiyagi]

Warren > Randle

And maybe even Booker > Russel?

Honestly I thought both of those guys were overrated. In this day, Randle's game in the nba doesn't translate terribly well. I think Russell will be decent, but there were people on our forum saying trade everything forum and he is going to be the next big thing.

He may become that, and he has good skills, but he seemed vastly overhyped to me. I think he will become a solid nba player, but a guy to take over a guy like Okafor or Porzingis? Don't know about that.

I would've gone Okafor. Porzingis has done well this season, but he was hitting a lot of red flags during the draft process.

[bwgood77]

Warren > Randle

And maybe even Booker > Russel?

Honestly I thought both of those guys were overrated. In this day, Randle's game in the nba doesn't translate terribly well. I think Russell will be decent, but there were people on our forum saying trade everything forum and he is going to be the next big thing.

He may become that, and he has good skills, but he seemed vastly overhyped to me. I think he will become a solid nba player, but a guy to take over a guy like Okafor or Porzingis? Don't know about that.

I would've gone Okafor. Porzingis has done well this season, but he was hitting a lot of red flags during the draft process.

I would have always gone Porzingis for our team, over anyone but Towns.

[TeamTragic]

You guys just do not see it. Of course the Suns beat garbage teams. THESE TEAMS WERE HORRIBLE! But you know what, with Markieff, THEY LOST TO GARBAGE TEAMS. Dallas? Oh what a juggernaut. DESTROYED THE SUNS WITH MARKIEFF. Detroit? What an incredible team. LOST TO THEM TOO AT HOME. OKC? Annihilated the Suns with Markieff. The Clippers loss in LA, I forgot how beyond amazing Markieff played that game when he shot 7-22 from the field.

Markieff: 37% fg, 29% 3pts

Leuer: 42% fg, 50% 3 pts

Teletovic: 29% fg, 36% 3 pts


Are the Suns other power forwards that good? Not really. Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN. Seriously some of you guys just want to disagree with me no matter what. This is getting ridiculous. If some of you guys do not see the direct correlation between the Suns playing so much better when Markieff is not in the lineup, then Idk what to tell you.

Perhaps our starting lineup is indeed doing better without Kieff but we still need him off the bench as a 3rd primary scorer.

We need a 3rd scorer because if a team decides to just trap/double Bledsoe and Knight, we need that 3rd weapon who will make them pay. If not for Kieff, Warren's the closest one we have.

Kieff off the bench? If he will accept his role and work hard why not. We are building a well-rounded team here right?

[Scutt]

I cant remember the last time I enjoyed a Suns game so much. I dont care if the win was against a crappy lakers team, who were playing on the 2nd night of a back to back. Len, Warren, and Goodwin all played real minutes and contributed in the same game. Booker coming in at the final minutes and draining that 3 was icing on the cake. Good to see Knight balling too, makes giving up that Lakers pick hurt a little less, almost. Len was due for a solid game too, I hope he gets back to blocking shots like last year.

[Scutt]

Is it too early to declare Weems this years Tolliver? I sure hope not because I really would rather see Goodwin and Booker get his minutes.

[SunsRback4Good]

And just 10 turnovers tonight, beats giving up 17-20 To's on a regular basis. Gotta keep the to's done if you want to do some damage and we did so tonight/

[SunsRback4Good]

Is it too early to declare Weems this years Tolliver? I sure hope not because I really would rather see Goodwin get his minutes.

Tolliver has a nice release and could actualy hit shots while basically every Weems shot is flat. I had high expectations for him knowing he played many years overseas and I thought he improved but as you can see NBA is a whole other league.

[Revived]

I cant remember the last time I enjoyed a Suns game so much. I dont care if the win was against a crappy lakers team, who were playing on the 2nd night of a back to back. Len, Warren, and Goodwin all played real minutes and contributed in the same game. Booker coming in at the final minutes and draining that 3 was icing on the cake. Good to see Knight balling too, makes giving up that Lakers pick hurt a little less, almost. Len was due for a solid game too, I hope he gets back to blocking shots like last year.

Good to see you back here man, you need to post more often.

[Revived]

Is it too early to declare Weems this years Tolliver? I sure hope not because I really would rather see Goodwin get his minutes.

I think Teletovic is probably this year's Tolliver. Or maybe both Weems and Teletovic are.

[NTB]

We should be patient about Weems and Teletovic. Coming from Europe and adapting is not easy and coming from health issue after several months either. Teletovic might be a bad defender but he is definitely a good stretch 4 offensively. It also doesn't hurt when you have Goodwin and Booker to cover Weems' ass.

[bwgood77]

Is it too early to declare Weems this years Tolliver? I sure hope not because I really would rather see Goodwin get his minutes.

I think Teletovic is probably this year's Tolliver. Or maybe both Weems and Teletovic are.

I guess you didn't watch tonight. Teletotovic was 3-8 from 3 and had 4 rebounds, as assist, steal and a block.

[i505]

Is the team's offense overall dramatically improved when they are there instead of Markieff? ABSOLUTELY. Why? Because the spacing, effort, and overall energy are so much better when you have players that actually WANT TO WIN.

Doesn't matter. We still have 2 point guards so we're doomed. 9th seed here we come.