What happened to the Pistons

[Lakers_Forever]

Counterpoint:

The 95-96 Raptors, who went on to win 21 games that year...

Beat the 72 win Bulls.

Flukes happen. Maybe the Pistons hot start was the fluke, not their recent losses. We shall see.

This isn't a counterpoint. My entire point was a response to Jello's "no excuse for losing" comment. A single-game fluke was precisely what I was discussing.

It's been awhile since I took probability and statistics in college, but each and every game has it's own set of statistics and possible outcomes depending on the factors that affect the out come. How a player is shooting is one of the obvious one, how a team is working together in harmony, defense, the mood of the refs and how they are calling the game which will lead to only one possible conclusion. The best team can lose. Nothing is guaranteed. The Lakers might be a better team then their record indicates, but I am skeptical and cautious. Detroit might not be as good as their record shows, but the season is early. We have to see all 82 games played to determine which team was really the best. For me, I like what the Lakers are doing, I would just as soon see Kobe retire and give the playing time to the rookies and develop them for next year. Then they will be closer to attracting bigger market players that will eventually lead to all star players in a few years. It's a process that I have found many Lakers unrealistically thinks it will happen in another year base on the words of Jim Buss. The Pistons have floundered between pitiful and mediocre, so we really just have to wait and see.

[Liqourish]

they looking at a 9 to 10 game losing streak

They were starting the season with a tough schedule. 6 game West Coast road trip. 3 sets of back-to-backs. Games against Atlanta, Chicago and Cleveland. For a young team with 7 new players, and missing two key guys off the bench, it would be asking alot to expect more than staying around .500, which they did.

They are going to have a good season. They'll fight for a playoff spot. We'll see some big growth from Reggie Jackson and Andre Drummond this year. It's a work in progress, but they have a bright future.

[fancynapkin]

We don't have reliable scoring. Monroe used to serve that role.

Also, Steve Blake

[The Miami Heat]

they made lebron turn into an ape that's what happened

[Liqourish]

We don't have reliable scoring. Monroe used to serve that role.

Also, Steve Blake

[fancynapkin]

We don't have reliable scoring. Monroe used to serve that role.

Also, Steve Blake

If you disagree, feel free to use actual words to explain why. Monroe's post-up game gave us reliable scoring, and his numbers prove it.

[zeebneeb]

We don't have reliable scoring. Monroe used to serve that role.

Also, Steve Blake

If you disagree, feel free to use actual words to explain why. Monroe's post-up game gave us reliable scoring, and his numbers prove it.

If you really are a Pistons fan no explanation is needed for how wrong you are about Monroe and what he "provided" the Pistons.

Reliable scoring is doing that when the points matter, not when your down 20, or at the end of games. Monroe never provided reliable scoring becuase that would imply the Pistons were a winning team.

I'm actually incensed by your question and I don't remember ever seeing your name on the Pistons board. I could be wrong about that but I'm not wrong about your question.

Monroe was not what the Pistons needed or what they lack this year in any department, period.

[tmorgan]

Yeah, unless Moose is suddenly providing Milwaukee with reliable three point shooting, he isn't what we need.

Our defense is better (no surprise), and our offense is worse, but that's because Reggie's been an inconsistent passer and the perimeter guys won't shoot (Ersan) or shoot and miss (everyone else).

[Braggins]

Pistons will be fine. Their rebuild is still ahead of schedule even though they are in a bit of a slump. I see this as kind of a coming out year for them. They aren't going to be making any kind of deep playoff run this season but they will show that they are a good up and coming team and establish themselves as a team to watch in the East.

[brutalitops]

Young team led by young emerging franchise player is inconsistent . well damn!

[joedumars1]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/11/19/andre-drummond-best-center-espn/76035000/

[hoophabit]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/11/19/andre-drummond-best-center-espn/76035000/

Aw man, why'd you post this here? Soon as the Heat fans find this it'll just become another Whiteside thread.

[NBlue]

Long west coast road trip combined with a lack of depth is a killer. My sense is they still have a great shot at the playoffs in the East.

[fancynapkin]

Monroe never provided reliable scoring becuase that would imply the Pistons were a winning team.

I don't follow your reasoning at all. Monroe was not a good fit for the Pistons. I don't think I implied otherwise. He clogged the paint and didn't work well with Drummond.

But that doesn't change the fact that he is a reliable scorer. SVG even said it was a very difficult decision to let him go (on the Lowe Post podcast). He had a 21 PER last year on the Pistons, and a 23 PER this year on the Bucks.

Here is a quote from Zach Lowe on Monroe:

Monroe gives the Bucks a first option they didn’t really have — a fail-safe for an offense that ranked just 25th in points per possession last season. At some point over the last 18 months, Monroe discovered he could just beat the crap out of almost any post defender. He is a brute, and he can move damn near anyone close to the basket if he gets a little time. He has a deceptive explosiveness to his back-down game that draws double-teams, free throws, and offensive rebounds.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-free-agency-day-2-sacramentos-crazy-salary-dump-and-greg-monroes-milwaukee-move/

I'm actually incensed by your question and I don't remember ever seeing your name on the Pistons board. I could be wrong about that but I'm not wrong about your question.

I don't post on realgm much because there are people here like you who don't know much about basketball.

[ComboGuardCity]

They blow, a lot, apart from Reggie and Dre.

Also, saying Reggie has been horrible is basically straight-up inaccurate. He had two rough shooting nights, had a good game, then stumbled against the Lakers. That's a very far cry from being "terrible."

Can you qualify how they "blow?" You can say they have a below average bench but the starting lineup is above average.


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[tmorgan]

People are seriously overthinking this.

Monroe is a very good offensive player and a pretty poor defensive player. He left. Our defense got better and our offense got worse. Is that so shocking?

We'll figure something out eventually. So will the Bucks. Adapting takes time. We're 7-5 having played 8 road games. That's pretty good.

[zeebneeb]

Monroe never provided reliable scoring becuase that would imply the Pistons were a winning team.

I don't follow your reasoning at all. Monroe was not a good fit for the Pistons. I don't think I implied otherwise. He clogged the paint and didn't work well with Drummond.

But that doesn't change the fact that he is a reliable scorer. SVG even said it was a very difficult decision to let him go (on the Lowe Post podcast). He had a 21 PER last year on the Pistons, and a 23 PER this year on the Bucks.

Here is a quote from Zach Lowe on Monroe:

Monroe gives the Bucks a first option they didn’t really have — a fail-safe for an offense that ranked just 25th in points per possession last season. At some point over the last 18 months, Monroe discovered he could just beat the crap out of almost any post defender. He is a brute, and he can move damn near anyone close to the basket if he gets a little time. He has a deceptive explosiveness to his back-down game that draws double-teams, free throws, and offensive rebounds.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-free-agency-day-2-sacramentos-crazy-salary-dump-and-greg-monroes-milwaukee-move/

I'm actually incensed by your question and I don't remember ever seeing your name on the Pistons board. I could be wrong about that but I'm not wrong about your question.

I don't post on realgm much because there are people here like you who don't know much about basketball.

Of course. Of course. Why would such a wise, and educated person such as you, lower and debase yourself speaking with the peasants of the basketball world?

Seeing as how you don't post on the Pistons board I can only assume you feel that way about everyone? Or is it just that I'm so stupid it puts you off from posting there entirly? Please enlighten me as I can only imagine how breathtaking your wealth of knowledge must be about everything else, if your so smart when it comes to mere basketball.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I'm actually incensed by your question and I don't remember ever seeing your name on the Pistons board. I could be wrong about that but I'm not wrong about your question.

I don't post on realgm much because there are people here like you who don't know much about basketball.

[engelbert321]

Monroe is a reliable scorer. Also a reliable red carpet for the opposing team to dookie on.

[nuposse04]

They need bench scoring. Solid starting unit with very good players in Jackson and Drummond. I suppose Jennings should ameliorate things for their bench, I don't know when he comes back however. That and meeks.