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[Net Sentence]

I would overpay Barnes or Fournier in a heartbeat

I would definitely take Fournier. Not sure about Barnes, I don't see him being anything more than a decent role player. Would rather have Batum who might end up being cheaper, and does more IMO. Fournier is a RFA, but Nets have a chance for him if we overpay. Magic already have a solid young core, and they can get by without Fournier, especially if they have to decide on overpaying Fournier.

Ive been for signing Fournier since the summer. The more you analyse his numbers, the more there is to like.

17.8 Pts/36
56.3% TS
45.8% FG
35.8% 3pt
80.6% FT

He only has a 20.9% Usage rate which gives him more upside then the rest of the young FAs. If you up that to 28% Usage Rate and he should be a 25 pt scorer.

[Net Sentence]

would you guys pass on giving money or overpaying to barnes, fournier, or waiters? and look for something else

i have no issue overpaying anyone.

-cap goes up again in 2017
-we wont be able to really rebuild for 3-4 years when we get picks back anyway

the way i see it, most likely case is a treadmill for 3 years. so overpaying someone who is gonna come off the books when we get picks back in 2020 isnt a major issue

i WOULD stay away with guys who have potential to not be all that good in a new situation(barnes), or who may not be good at all(waiters).

I dont view barnes as a guy who can be one of your best players on a good team. i think he is someone who feeds off of great players and fits well within a system. id like to have him, but he isnt going to be my 1 max guy in the offseason.

Waiters it me is, was, and always will be an undersized inefficient chucker who brings nothing outside of offense to the table... and he doesnt even bring that much offense. 12 PER 54 TS not impressive...and thats likely to come down given he is unlikely to shoot 48% from 3 for the year as he has in a small sample thus far. 12 PER 49 TS for his career through 3 seasons.

-doesnt rebound
-doesnt assist
-has a 1:1 assit/turnover ratio
-doesnt defend

i mean, you give that guy a big contract and its almost a certainty you will regret it. his ceiling is like eric gordon and he projects to not come all that close to even that and eric gordon isnt leading you anywhere

Fournier id be ok overpaying. i think he can be a legit scorer

I dont think Waiters would cost that much. Plus if you break his numbers down from this year you will see he has improved as a defender. It's still a small sample size like you said, but he is someone to follow during this season. He isnt even 24 yet and it's common for players to break out at his age, especially scorers like Waiters who muscle their way to the rim.

[Net Sentence]

im in no rush for mcc. he wont change this years outcome, be cautious with him.

i wouldnt be upset with beal but id prefer the conley/horford types. because unless we get a durant we are going to be ina 3 year treadmill before another rebuild anyhow as to where age doesnt matter much. im also lower on beal then most people, but i could easily be wrong and this could be the year he busts out. but to me his is more of just a 3 and D guy, not some top scorer harden type

Beal may not be a Harden type but he can be Klay type where he points up points on any given night with the ability to attack the rim.

Poor mans Wade IMO.... Beal can shoot, for a team that lacks athleticism, threat from 3, slasher, ball handler, ability to attack the rim but needs to work on drawing fouls, he can help this team....

DeRozan still interests me on the side, especially his ability to go to the line.

If Beal does end up being a glorified 3 n D guy, then that's not an end of the world scenario.

The thing I like about DeRozan is the same thing I dislike about him. I love guys who get to the line as much as he does but that also leads to injuries. It's also a problem when we make it to the playoffs and he goes up against a superstar like LeBron. Are the refs going to call the same fouls he got in the regular season as they will in the playoffs when getting foul calls is a popularity contest? He seems like the type of player who can get us into the playoffs but then sucks in the playoffs.

[CalamityX12]

im in no rush for mcc. he wont change this years outcome, be cautious with him.

i wouldnt be upset with beal but id prefer the conley/horford types. because unless we get a durant we are going to be ina 3 year treadmill before another rebuild anyhow as to where age doesnt matter much. im also lower on beal then most people, but i could easily be wrong and this could be the year he busts out. but to me his is more of just a 3 and D guy, not some top scorer harden type

Beal may not be a Harden type but he can be Klay type where he points up points on any given night with the ability to attack the rim.

Poor mans Wade IMO.... Beal can shoot, for a team that lacks athleticism, threat from 3, slasher, ball handler, ability to attack the rim but needs to work on drawing fouls, he can help this team....

DeRozan still interests me on the side, especially his ability to go to the line.

If Beal does end up being a glorified 3 n D guy, then that's not an end of the world scenario.

The thing I like about DeRozan is the same thing I dislike about him. I love guys who get to the line as much as he does but that also leads to injuries. It's also a problem when we make it to the playoffs and he goes up against a superstar like LeBron. Are the refs going to call the same fouls he got in the regular season as they will in the playoffs when getting foul calls is a popularity contest? He seems like the type of player who can get us into the playoffs but then sucks in the playoffs.

Hard to defend DeRozan for his playoff fails, although he did put up a good fight overall in the BKN series(JJ was just better) but didn't come through in gm 7 IIRC.

His problem is he's trying to hard to get a call rather than play it through. Continue to be aggressive and force the refs for calls. Stop the flopping, you too Lowry, and just focus on the game.

[DarkXaero]

The main issue with Derozan isn't getting fouled a lot, it's his lack of three point shooting. Can't afford to have a highly paid scoring SG in today's NBA who can't shoot 3s consistently.

[Net Sentence]

Beal may not be a Harden type but he can be Klay type where he points up points on any given night with the ability to attack the rim.

Poor mans Wade IMO.... Beal can shoot, for a team that lacks athleticism, threat from 3, slasher, ball handler, ability to attack the rim but needs to work on drawing fouls, he can help this team....

DeRozan still interests me on the side, especially his ability to go to the line.

If Beal does end up being a glorified 3 n D guy, then that's not an end of the world scenario.

The thing I like about DeRozan is the same thing I dislike about him. I love guys who get to the line as much as he does but that also leads to injuries. It's also a problem when we make it to the playoffs and he goes up against a superstar like LeBron. Are the refs going to call the same fouls he got in the regular season as they will in the playoffs when getting foul calls is a popularity contest? He seems like the type of player who can get us into the playoffs but then sucks in the playoffs.

Hard to defend DeRozan for his playoff fails, although he did put up a good fight overall in the BKN series(JJ was just better) but didn't come through in gm 7 IIRC.

His problem is he's trying to hard to get a call rather than play it through. Continue to be aggressive and force the refs for calls. Stop the flopping, you too Lowry, and just focus on the game.

His problem is that he is a average player without the FTAs. His TS% is 53.4% but his eFG% is only 43.3%. That's a huge difference.

[DarkXaero]

The thing I like about DeRozan is the same thing I dislike about him. I love guys who get to the line as much as he does but that also leads to injuries. It's also a problem when we make it to the playoffs and he goes up against a superstar like LeBron. Are the refs going to call the same fouls he got in the regular season as they will in the playoffs when getting foul calls is a popularity contest? He seems like the type of player who can get us into the playoffs but then sucks in the playoffs.

Hard to defend DeRozan for his playoff fails, although he did put up a good fight overall in the BKN series(JJ was just better) but didn't come through in gm 7 IIRC.

His problem is he's trying to hard to get a call rather than play it through. Continue to be aggressive and force the refs for calls. Stop the flopping, you too Lowry, and just focus on the game.

His problem is that he is a average player without the FTAs. His TS% is 53.4% but his eFG% is only 43.3%. That's a huge difference.

Yea but the point is that he gets to the line, and those points count the same. So you can't just discount a big part of his game. Harden without FTAs wouldn't be anywhere the same player either but that doesn't stop mean that he's not a superstar.

[Paradise]

Hard to defend DeRozan for his playoff fails, although he did put up a good fight overall in the BKN series(JJ was just better) but didn't come through in gm 7 IIRC.

His problem is he's trying to hard to get a call rather than play it through. Continue to be aggressive and force the refs for calls. Stop the flopping, you too Lowry, and just focus on the game.

His problem is that he is a average player without the FTAs. His TS% is 53.4% but his eFG% is only 43.3%. That's a huge difference.

Yea but the point is that he gets to the line, and those points count the same. So you can't just discount a big part of his game. Harden without FTAs wouldn't be anywhere the same player either but that doesn't stop mean that he's not a superstar.

Yeah but Harden is a 36% three point shooter for his career thus far and DeRozan is only a 26% three point shooter. His career high has been a measly 30%.

[DarkXaero]

His problem is that he is a average player without the FTAs. His TS% is 53.4% but his eFG% is only 43.3%. That's a huge difference.

Yea but the point is that he gets to the line, and those points count the same. So you can't just discount a big part of his game. Harden without FTAs wouldn't be anywhere the same player either but that doesn't stop mean that he's not a superstar.

Yeah but Harden is a 36% three point shooter for his career thus far and DeRozan is only a 26% three point shooter. His career high has been a measly 30%.

I know, I said that in the other post. It's why I'm not big on getting Derozan. Already have RHJ who can't shoot 3s, don't need another one who can't.

[jbeachboy]

does toronto want to keep derozan? i wouldnt mind derozan , guy can score at will

[NyCeEvO]

does toronto want to keep derozan? i wouldnt mind derozan , guy can brick at will

FTFY.


But on a serious note, he's great drawing fouls but I don't know if he'll ever truly work in that jumpshot. He's not dependable enough.

[jbeachboy]

does toronto want to keep derozan? i wouldnt mind derozan , guy can brick at will

FTFY.


But on a serious note, he's great drawing fouls but I don't know if he'll ever truly work in that jumpshot. He's not dependable enough.

his jumper is fine, he just isnt a 3point shooter