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Post#961 » by DBC10 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:14 pm

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DBC10 wrote:Porzingis will be a star. That guy has a chance to be the best overall player in the 2015 draft.

He's special.


most definitely a scorer. hows his defense?


I don't have the raw stats, but from Knicks fans I heard he's actually pretty decent. He's extremely long and that'll help with more mobile stretch bigs looking to shoot it. He actually did a decent job against Anthony Davis, but AD is on a whole another level so he stilled dropped 37. I think he even blocked AD once while Davis was looking to shoot it.

I actually wanted us to get Porzingis had he fallen to us, but looks like he's flourishing in his Knicks role.
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Post#962 » by kurtis48239 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:12 am

Wouldnt it be crazy if JVG becomes the new coach of the rockets and howard ?? I doubt it happens unless thibs really dosent want to take over,but why wouldnt he want to coach a team like houston and bring the defense their sorely lacking..I think with stan/bud/rivers getting coach/GM postions as of late,and after the problems he was having in CHI with all that, it wouldnt suprise me in the least if thats what hes after.

Also just wanted to comment on the raps vs warrior game last night. Even if it was close,just having the oppertunity to watch such a well meshed team,I also never thought we would see a player like jordan again in my lifetime,but thats what its looking like in curry.Its not the pts and such,but just the way the kid plays thats electrifying and just so god damn clutch.The warriors obviously wont be able to keep that squad together after this season,but man what a team. Like I was saying in another thread,I really wish players were more about the game and wining than the money. I do understand tho,they have players that are going to look to get paid and want to be the main piece like curry (good luck at that lol). Take it in while you can,I definitly wont miss a warriors game this year and will probably break down and get league pass just for it,what better excuse to have to buy that package.

The only thing I am getting alittle worried about the warriors wining so much,is it will catch up with them in the playoffs,its also good to have a few loses here and there,dosent let you get to comfortable and take things for granted,keeps you hungry and also lets you see what to do if the game just isnt going your way,gives them a handle on how to correct things quick.
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Post#963 » by MrBigShot » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:36 am

Knicks may have just found Dirk 2.0 in Porzingis. Several people in this draft have great potential, but none quite as much as him. 7'3 with a shot like that? He becomes more impressive by the day.
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Post#964 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:33 am

MrBigShot wrote:Knicks may have just found Dirk 2.0 in Porzingis. Several people in this draft have great potential, but none quite as much as him. 7'3 with a shot like that? He becomes more impressive by the day.


i'm a little concerned about him. Guys that size taht move like him don't stay healthy for very long. This is more my estimation than actual fact. Its really nice to see a player meet the hype though
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Post#965 » by Phenomenonsense » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:23 pm

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MrBigShot wrote:Knicks may have just found Dirk 2.0 in Porzingis. Several people in this draft have great potential, but none quite as much as him. 7'3 with a shot like that? He becomes more impressive by the day.


i'm a little concerned about him. Guys that size taht move like him don't stay healthy for very long. This is more my estimation than actual fact. Its really nice to see a player meet the hype though


Yeah, and he's a twig.
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Post#966 » by MrBigShot » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:02 pm

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MrBigShot wrote:Knicks may have just found Dirk 2.0 in Porzingis. Several people in this draft have great potential, but none quite as much as him. 7'3 with a shot like that? He becomes more impressive by the day.


i'm a little concerned about him. Guys that size taht move like him don't stay healthy for very long. This is more my estimation than actual fact. Its really nice to see a player meet the hype though


That's definitely a valid concern, he definitely needs to put on more muscle over time and those concerns are probably what might still get KAT (who will be RoY imo) taken ahead of him if a re-draft were to happen right now.

Speaking of KAT, he's looking pretty incredible himself. Okafor/Porzingis have overshadowed him a bit, but he's outplaying both.
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Post#967 » by Kilo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:23 pm

This past draft is going to be an "all-timer"...
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Post#968 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:28 pm

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MrBigShot wrote:Knicks may have just found Dirk 2.0 in Porzingis. Several people in this draft have great potential, but none quite as much as him. 7'3 with a shot like that? He becomes more impressive by the day.


i'm a little concerned about him. Guys that size taht move like him don't stay healthy for very long. This is more my estimation than actual fact. Its really nice to see a player meet the hype though


That's definitely a valid concern, he definitely needs to put on more muscle over time and those concerns are probably what might still get KAT (who will be RoY imo) taken ahead of him if a re-draft were to happen right now.

Speaking of KAT, he's looking pretty incredible himself. Okafor/Porzingis have overshadowed him a bit, but he's outplaying both.


Minny's roster is just so damn young and athletic. I'm looking forward to the match up. K Mart probably going to drop 40
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Post#969 » by Bernman » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:19 am

Bucks' fan here,

Did Monroe have problems dropping rebounds regularly last year because he couldn't jump high enough, and were their problems in general in that department when he was on the court without Drummond last year? Because I was under the impression those things weren't the case. Rebounding and offense were areas you were never concerned about regarding him. It was the defense. But that was passable at least when he could actually play center. Statistically, you can kind of see the rebounding difference, but maybe not entirely.

He's never been an athletic marvel. I'm aware of that. But I thought he was always fluid at least. Now I'd call him lumbering. Possibly too much weight gain or nagging injury.
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Post#970 » by Blkbrd671 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:37 am

Bernman wrote:Bucks' fan here,

Did Monroe have problems dropping rebounds regularly last year because he couldn't jump high enough, and were their problems in general in that department when he was on the court without Drummond last year? Because I was under the impression those things weren't the case. Rebounding and offense were areas you were never concerned about regarding him. It was the defense. But that was passable at least when he could actually play center. Statistically, you can kind of see the rebounding difference, but maybe not entirely.

He's never been an athletic marvel. I'm aware of that. But I thought he was always fluid at least. Now I'd call him lumbering. Possibly too much weight gain or nagging injury.


honestly its hard to define monroe.

As a piston, offensively he was our go to player, but wasn't always consistently good. And most definitely consistently had 2-3 bunnies a game he couldn't put away. Rebounding wise i think in his first 2 years he was a lot better than he is now. Idk what changed, but he doesn't get after the ball like he used too. Defensively he's not bad on the low post, if not above average. Its when you take him away from the basket that his "lumbering" is really exploited. Its all really hard to rebound when you don't have floor spacers. I mean look at dre this year and his RPG. Its not a coincedence it happend at the same time we made spacing a priority. Mil lack of spacing combined with monroe's lack of spacing won't help.
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Post#971 » by Phenomenonsense » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:15 am

Bernman wrote:Bucks' fan here,

Did Monroe have problems dropping rebounds regularly last year because he couldn't jump high enough, and were their problems in general in that department when he was on the court without Drummond last year? Because I was under the impression those things weren't the case. Rebounding and offense were areas you were never concerned about regarding him. It was the defense. But that was passable at least when he could actually play center. Statistically, you can kind of see the rebounding difference, but maybe not entirely.

He's never been an athletic marvel. I'm aware of that. But I thought he was always fluid at least. Now I'd call him lumbering. Possibly too much weight gain or nagging injury.


Very smooth in the post, a good positional rebounder, but he DEFINITELY tried harder to get them in his first two years. Offensively he does always leave 1-3 short every game that, with his skill level, should be easy buckets.
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Post#972 » by DBC10 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:09 pm

Bernman wrote:Bucks' fan here,

Did Monroe have problems dropping rebounds regularly last year because he couldn't jump high enough, and were their problems in general in that department when he was on the court without Drummond last year? Because I was under the impression those things weren't the case. Rebounding and offense were areas you were never concerned about regarding him. It was the defense. But that was passable at least when he could actually play center. Statistically, you can kind of see the rebounding difference, but maybe not entirely.

He's never been an athletic marvel. I'm aware of that. But I thought he was always fluid at least. Now I'd call him lumbering. Possibly too much weight gain or nagging injury.


During his tenure here, I'd never call him lumbering. He was always silky smooth down low and has moves for his moves to get easy buckets despite his lack of athleticism. He doesn't have the greatest hands though, he would sometimes fumble passes or let go of easy rebounds if he was given some pressure during an opponent's shot.

If he does look lumbering and a bit sluggish, then it might be an injury. I remember seeing a GIF where he laid out his entire body to hustle for a loose ball when you guys faced the Cavs. Maybe he took an injury there?
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Post#973 » by Bernman » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:11 pm

Thanks for the insight guys. Helps for perspective and realistic hope for improvement.

The problems started before either Cavs' game. All season he's been having significant problems jumping for and securing rebounds without dropping them, stepping out and even jumping a little on help d, missing bunnies, and was lumbering.

I'd live with the couple bunnies missed. He had a ts% of 57 his first two years and was at 59+ from what I saw without Drummond last year. Hard to argue with that's not a positive, in conjunction with good volume.

11 rebounds per 36 as a sophomore and 13 last year without Drummond certainly sounds impressive. But can lack the context of stamina or if it's partially a product of otherwise atrocious rebounding if you're playing 1 in and 4 out.

I think his team defense #'s were actually decent too at center. Once again, context. And I wasn't ever expecting a defensive asset or even necessarily an average defender. But the extent to which he's been a liability is disappointing, not stepping out hard enough to reroute the defender, jumping a little when he was in position, or d'ing up in the post either. The only area he's been good enough is pick and roll.

Always felt it was a horrible idea to have a lineup that only had 1-2 outside shooters around him, even if the big could shoot a mid-range unlike in Detroit. Still way too much congestion for a methodical operator. That's one thing we can change to make him more effective, flip MCW at least for a player who can facilitate, defend, and shoot.

For rebounding and defense, I guess hope he either gets healthier from whatever nagged him beginning the season, or get in better shape. He's 25. His body shouldn't all of a sudden break down.
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Post#974 » by kurtis48239 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:03 am

Bernman wrote:Thanks for the insight guys. Helps for perspective and realistic hope for improvement.

The problems started before either Cavs' game. All season he's been having significant problems jumping for and securing rebounds without dropping them, stepping out and even jumping a little on help d, missing bunnies, and was lumbering.

I'd live with the couple bunnies missed. He had a ts% of 57 his first two years and was at 59+ from what I saw without Drummond last year. Hard to argue with that's not a positive, in conjunction with good volume.

11 rebounds per 36 as a sophomore and 13 last year without Drummond certainly sounds impressive. But can lack the context of stamina or if it's partially a product of otherwise atrocious rebounding if you're playing 1 in and 4 out.

I think his team defense #'s were actually decent too at center. Once again, context. And I wasn't ever expecting a defensive asset or even necessarily an average defender. But the extent to which he's been a liability is disappointing, not stepping out hard enough to reroute the defender, jumping a little when he was in position, or d'ing up in the post either. The only area he's been good enough is pick and roll.

Always felt it was a horrible idea to have a lineup that only had 1-2 outside shooters around him, even if the big could shoot a mid-range unlike in Detroit. Still way too much congestion for a methodical operator. That's one thing we can change to make him more effective, flip MCW at least for a player who can facilitate, defend, and shoot.

For rebounding and defense, I guess hope he either gets healthier from whatever nagged him beginning the season, or get in better shape. He's 25. His body shouldn't all of a sudden break down.

It would drive me nuts ,especialy at the end of games,where he would either get stripped or just fumble a pass or rebound,I remember butter fingers being thrown around in some of the game threads.But usually it only happend under pressure,at the end of close games stuff like that.

This might be something to consider also.Maybe now that he got his money,he just has slacked off. If you would of asked anyone around here if he would be that kind of player,most would of said probably not,but you never know..I really wouldnt start to worry about that tho until the end of the season.I hope he works out for you guys.
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Post#975 » by joedumars1 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:12 am

Seems to me Moose is what he is, he has that old man that will be effective for a long time. It would be nice if he ever developed a mid range shot. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up getting one in his thirties about 7 years to late.
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Post#976 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:58 am

While we are on the subject of Pistons alumni:
As of November 20th, 2015, Kyle Singler has played 158 minutes and has

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Post#977 » by zeebneeb » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:06 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:While we are on the subject of Pistons alumni:
As of November 20th, 2015, Kyle Singler has played 158 minutes and has

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Singler drove me nuts and to have him and dj gone for Jackson is such a lopsided trade for us it's absurd.
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Post#978 » by DBC10 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:34 pm

So our old friend Brandon Knight has been an absolute stud to start off for Phoenix. He has been balling, and a scoring guard like himself is exactly what we needed. Thank Joe.

Also, Curry is too good. Best player right now
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Post#979 » by Kilo » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:05 pm

Brandon Knight would have been ideal here under Stan Van Gundy. I loved his attitude, and PHX is using him right alongside Bledsoe. Players are not given enough time to develop anymore - and fit is so important.

If we had Knight, we probably don't have Jackson, nor Stanley Johnson and maybe even Stan Van Gundy as winning or losing a couple more games could have changed things in his decision making and in Gores decision making re firing Joe in the first place, or keeping last years first and drafting Dougie Buckets or Stauskas then and not having this past draft pick etc.

Whole butterfly effect thing. I'm content with where we're at now so wouldn't change anything. Will always be a fan of Brandon Knight though - and would love if we could ever get him back here, however unlikely that is.
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Post#980 » by dVs33 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:20 pm

DBC10 wrote:So our old friend Brandon Knight has been an absolute stud to start off for Phoenix. He has been balling, and a scoring guard like himself is exactly what we needed. Thank Joe.

Also, Curry is too good. Best player right now


I saw some of his stats this year and was very surprised. I'm happy he's found a home in Phx. He seemed like a good kid. He deserves his success. Milwaukee should be kicking themselves for trading him.

Curry is just ridiculous now.
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