Fun with Stats!!!

[EwingSweatsALot]

Oladipo is in a slump, last season he averaged 43.6% shooting and his rookie year he shot 42%. and i believe he plays defense, which is something Kemba seems to have forgotten how to do.

Obviously only year three, but it is a small sample size for his third year. He has shown improvement and is very good at one thing, defense. Kemba doesn't show much improvement at all, still can't shoot, and isn't very good at anything except building mansions and team chemistry.

[catsfan]

Kemba looks a great deal like Victor Oladipo.

However, the coverage and commentary here on this board of both players swings to polar opposite extremes. One gets trashed, the other is an emerging star.

http://www.fantasypros.com/nba/compare/kemba-walker-victor-oladipo.php

one is a shooting guard and the other is the point guard. if kemba were wade's size, he would be all league.

Of course PG and SG have a size disparity yet Kemba's counting stats and rate stats are identical to Oladipo's. Now either Kemba is being mistreated by his own fans or hornets fans are overrating Oladipo.

Put another way, Kemba is able to impose himself on offense at the same level as Oladipo despite a distinct size disadvantage.

probably hornets fans being to hard on kemba. that tend to happens, you are harshest on the one's closest to you often unfairly, so in terms of dipo vs kemba you are correct. in terms of overall value to a basketball team, a high usage pg not playing well will impact the team much more than a shooting guard when you are talking about players the caliber of kemba and dipo.

[Yit]

Updating after Game 11

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G1---G2---G3---G4---G5---G6---G7---G8---G9---G10---G11
KW15 ---36--- 26---39--- 25---30--- 51---18--- 21---39--- 26-----49
JL7 ------33---28--- 26---38--- 20---31--- 38---46--- 15--- 15-----28
BR22 ----21---NA---NA---UR---UR---UR---UR--NA---NA --- UR----NA
NB5 ----- 19---30---38--- 33--- 23---23--- 28---38--- 50--- 47-----10
JL3 ------NA---42---33--- 37---32--- 10--- 40---35--- 28--- 30-----36
TD30 ----NA---NA---NA--UR---UR---UR---NA---NA---UR----NA-----NA
AH9 -----NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA----NA-----NA
MW2 ----25---33--- 30---19--- 38--- 21---21--- 21--- 27----21----- 7
PJH19 -- 10---10---19--- 24---12--- 14---25--- 16--- 20----UR-----NA
MKG14--NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---- NA-----NA
CZ40 ----24---18---20--- 20---31--- 9---33--- 30---NA---- 10------21
FK44 ----NA---23---UR---18---UR---UR---UR---UR---18----NA------12
TH50 ---NA---NA---NA---UR---UR---UR---NA---NA---NA----NA------NA
AJ25 ----43---30---30--- 32--- 60--- 30---20---16--- 20---- 49------29
SH00 ----23---31---12--- 29--- 6--- 15--- 9--- 9--- 11-----11------47

Not all players have gathered enough stats for a 10 Game average - but here are the figures for players that has reach the point where a 10-game average could be computed:
NB5 - 33 +/- 10
AJ25 - 33 +/- 14
KW15 - 31 +/- 10
JL7 - 29 +/- 10
MW2 - 26 +/- 6
SH00 - 15 +/- 9
JL3 - 32 +/- 9
CZ40 - 21 +/- 8

[Yit]

Updating after Game 12

Contribution Points of Players Per Game
Player---G1---G2---G3---G4---G5---G6---G7---G8---G9---G10---G11---G12
KW15 ---36--- 26---39----25---30--- 51---18--- 21---39--- 26-----49----36
JL7 ------33---28--- 26---38--- 20---31--- 38---46--- 15--- 15-----28-----27
BR22 ----21---NA---NA---UR---UR---UR---UR--NA---NA --- UR----NA-----NA
NB5 ----- 19---30---38--- 33--- 23---23--- 28---38--- 50--- 47-----10-----32
JL3 ------NA---42---33--- 37---32--- 10--- 40---35--- 28--- 30-----36-----17
TD30 ----NA---NA---NA--UR---UR---UR---NA---NA---UR----NA-----NA----NA
AH9 -----NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA----NA-----NA----NA
MW2 ----25---33--- 30---19--- 38--- 21---21--- 21--- 27----21----- 7-----28
PJH19 -- 10---10---19--- 24---12--- 14---25--- 16--- 20----UR-----NA-----NA
MKG14--NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---NA---- NA-----NA----NA
CZ40 ----24---18---20--- 20---31--- 9---33--- 30---NA---- 10------21----- 8
FK44 ----NA---23---UR---18---UR---UR---UR---UR---18----NA------12------24
TH50 ---NA---NA---NA---UR---UR---UR---NA---NA---NA----NA------NA----NA
AJ25 ----43---30---30--- 32--- 60--- 30---20---16--- 20---- 49------29-----36
SH00 ----23---31---12--- 29--- 6--- 15--- 9--- 9--- 11-----11------47----34

Not all players have gathered enough stats for a 10 Game average - but here are the figures for players that has reach the point where a 10-game average could be computed:
NB5 - 33 +/- 10
AJ25 - 33 +/- 14
KW15 - 31 +/- 10
JL7 - 29 +/- 10
MW2 - 26 +/- 6
SH00 - 15 +/- 9
JL3 - 32 +/- 9
CZ40 - 21 +/- 8[/quote]

[yosemiteben]

After 12 games: Hornets ranked 5th in offensive efficiency, 10th in 3PT%, 6th in 3PTA, 8th in TS%. Offensively, this is a team that is leaps and bounds better than anything we've seen in the last 20 years here in Charlotte.

Let's see how we are sticking to our fundamentals: 1st in DRB%, 1st in TOs per game (i.e., least number of TOs per game), 13th in defensive efficiency

Honest question - is there a single person on this forum that still wants Clifford fired after this season?

[JDR720]

im sticking to if we make the playoffs and have a good series both Cho and Clifford will be back. but if we miss the playoffs both will be gone.

[Mystical Apples]

I posted a little information over on Kemba's thread but I really started looking at the relative strengths of the first and second units. The good news is the second unit has been crushing it the last 6 games with a top 4 offensive rating and a top 3 defensive rating. Overall they are 2nd to San Antonio with a +14.8.

Obviously a small sample size with games against weak benches (Portland, Brooklyn), but also Chicago which has the third best net bench rating and 2 games against the Knicks who have an average bench.

[Mystical Apples]

Here are the starting units for the last 6 games. Charlotte's starters are -3.2 which places them 23rd out of the 30 teams. Offensively they're 14th but 24th in defensive rating. The defensive rating is particularly worrisome since it was 2 games against an average Knicks unit, a depleted T-Wolves, and Brooklyn. Even the Bulls starters have a bad rating the last 6 games.

[Mystical Apples]

Finally, the +/- for the first/second units for every NBA team their last 6 games. For example, the Hornets starters are -3.2 and the second unit is +14.8 so their differential is 18. Keep in mind starters generally play starters and second units play against benches, so this isn't to say the bench is 18 points better than the starters. But relative to the other 29 teams the bench has had an over-sized contribution the last 6 games.

Good news for the starters: in 24 hours they get a crack at the historically bad 76ers starting unit. Time to get healthy.

[Braggins]

Honest question - is there a single person on this forum that still wants Clifford fired after this season?

He has my approval so far. Its honestly hard to fathom our offensive transformation. I dont think it can all be boiled down to better players. I really think Cliff has just done a much better job this season (in a lot of areas).

[TinmanZBoy]

Honest question - is there a single person on this forum that still wants Clifford fired after this season?

He has my approval so far. Its honestly hard to fathom our offensive transformation. I dont think it can all be boiled down to better players. I really think Cliff has just done a much better job this season (in a lot of areas).

coach clifford is a student of the game, you can tell from his interviews, he dissected the game really well, his words make sense... he is also pretty supportive to his players, he seems to have good interpersonal skills...
a coach knows x and o's and is still improving, a good communicator, likable person... what's more can you ask for, seriously...

[HornetJail]

Honest question - is there a single person on this forum that still wants Clifford fired after this season?

He has my approval so far. Its honestly hard to fathom our offensive transformation. I dont think it can all be boiled down to better players. I really think Cliff has just done a much better job this season (in a lot of areas).

If Clifford has Braggins' approval, I think it's pretty much a consensus.

Clifford has done what we've been imploring him to do for two years, and that's removing players when they are not playing well (namely Albus), and to feed the hot hand. Also the fact we're not a bottom 3 defensive team with this roster is very impressive.

[Braggins]

Honest question - is there a single person on this forum that still wants Clifford fired after this season?

He has my approval so far. Its honestly hard to fathom our offensive transformation. I dont think it can all be boiled down to better players. I really think Cliff has just done a much better job this season (in a lot of areas).

If Clifford has Braggins' approval, I think it's pretty much a consensus.

Clifford has done what we've been imploring him to do for two years, and that's removing players when they are not playing well (namely Albus), and to feed the hot hand. Also the fact we're not a bottom 3 defensive team with this roster is very impressive.

I think his problem last year may have been that he really is a strict system coach. We weren't even close to having a roster that was going to work with his system but he refused to change our strategy and really didnt have any answers as the season progressed. It would be better imo if he was flexible enough to adapt to our roster, but as long as his preferred system works and we have the players for it there is nothing really to complain about.

I was pretty harsh on Clifford early in the season for his rotation and sub patters because I assumed it would be like last season and he would refuse to experiment or try different things when something wasn't working, but that has been pretty well dismissed at this point. Even when he does something I disagree with now I at least feel comfortable knowing that if it doesn't work that he will see it and try something else. I feel good about our ability to get better as the season progresses and you can see the little things we are working on and ironing out on a game to game basis. Last season just felt hopeless the entire time and we kept doing the same ineffective stuff over and over again.

[fatlever]

@Apples - did you make those charts or were those pulled from another website?

Love seeing how well our bench is doing. We clearly have one of the top benches in the league, which we will need to make the playoffs. Our starting lineup is probably near the bottom. The strength of this team was always going to be the depth. Losing MKG really crushed the defensive potential of that starting unit (I dont think PJ would be in the rotation of MKG wasn't hurt, I think our bench would be the same as it is now). MKG was the only one good enough to cover the glaring defensive hole that is Al Jefferson. There really isn't much difference in the talent level between our starters and bench.

[Mystical Apples]

Here are several team efficiency categories for players on/off the last 6 games. Team performance on/off stats are better than individual stats to measure player impact on a team. The 2 categories should march together but if not it's possible a Braess' Paradox is in play. Again it's 6 games so it's not exactly a sample size I'd extrapolate meaningfully, but it does provide trends and insight into what a coach looks at when making decisions.

Net NetRtg = team offense and defense rating differential for player on/off
Net TS% = team TS% performance for player on/off
Net 3P% = team 3P% for player on/off
Net AST Ratio = team assist ratio player on/off
Net DReb% = team defensive rebounding % player on/off. This is what drives Clifford crazy
Net OPP eFG% = the eFG% of the opponent player on/off. A negative number is good here.
Net OPP FTA Rate = opponent free throw attempt rate player on/off. A negative number is good here.

[Braggins]

Since that chart is obviously super relevant and meaningful then we obviously need more Spencer Hawes and less Batum, Marv, and Kemba. Hopefully Clifford is seeing this.

[Mystical Apples]

@Apples - did you make those charts or were those pulled from another website?

Love seeing how well our bench is doing. We clearly have one of the top benches in the league, which we will need to make the playoffs. Our starting lineup is probably near the bottom. The strength of this team was always going to be the depth. Losing MKG really crushed the defensive potential of that starting unit (I dont think PJ would be in the rotation of MKG wasn't hurt, I think our bench would be the same as it is now). MKG was the only one good enough to cover the glaring defensive hole that is Al Jefferson. There really isn't much difference in the talent level between our starters and bench.

I make the charts. I pulled this data in particular because I noticed the last several games had significant point differential swings that usually coincide with substitution patterns. Cody starting seemed like an interesting decision given that group had only played 3 minutes together up until that point. It's clunky without enough passing and shooting.

The bench is stellar and will only get better considering they rely upon passing an timing. The starting unit is relatively weaker but IMO could be improved by separating Al and Kemba. Kemba has his weaknesses but I think is workable as a shooting guard with Batum, or playing with Frank/Hawes to provide him space to operate. Like I've said before I'd trade Al or buy him out but I have no idea what the front office is weighing.

But I agree on the 2 units - they're about equivalent. I do wonder though if Clifford ever has Marvin and Batum play with the second unit in practice, or if he avoids that rabbit hole altogether.

[fatlever]

Spencer Percy ‏@QCHspencer 3m3 minutes ago

#Hornets shoot 26% during the CLUTCH - that's 2nd worst in NBA. More late game stats in preview for tonight's game. http://queencityhoops.com/blog/game-13-h

[EwingSweatsALot]

Is anybody having issues with coping and pasting from the NBA's website. All of a sudden starting yesterday it pastes offset in excel now. Spaces between lines and player/team info on different lines than the player/team it is from. No idea what happened in the last two days.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Random Stat of the day:

PJ is 8 from 20 from behind the arc when his shot results from anything else besides a pass from Kemba.

When Kemba passes him the ball and he shoots a 3 he is 0-12.