Kings @ Heat | Nov 19, 2015

[City of Trees]

Casspi is good for 2-3 bonehead plays per game.

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[blind prophet]

It's hard to be a Kings fan sometimes.

[Kings2013]

Is Rudy now going to be out in this cursed season?

Will Rondo want to return at this rate? May be better to not think ahead too much

[2Mas]

I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans around, so i try to watch as much Sacto as possible, but my issue is that they seem to just not try that hard.

1- McLemore is stupid athletic, he should not be tryna lay anything in. Should be straight dunks.

But my issue is like every player just seems to not care when they get scored on. It's kinda frustrating. WCS needs to more acive in the paint. I think he's too timid. He needds to be barking, arms up flying around there.

It's just irritating cause there's so much talent on this team. Rondo-Ben-Gay-WCS-Cuz DC-Belli-Casspi-Kofous is a legit 9 man rotation. & There's just these stretches where they loose the game & spend the rest of it clawing back in.

I don't think they're too far away, but it really needs to click asap. & Big Cuz neeeeds to stay on the floor. Enough with the dumb ****.

[Kings2013]

I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans around, so i try to watch as much Sacto as possible, but my issue is that they seem to just not try that hard.

1- McLemore is stupid athletic, he should not be tryna lay anything in. Should be straight dunks.

But my issue is like every player just seems to not care when they get scored on. It's kinda frustrating. WCS needs to more acive in the paint. I think he's too timid. He needds to be barking, arms up flying around there.

It's just irritating cause there's so much talent on this team. Rondo-Ben-Gay-WCS-Cuz DC-Belli-Casspi-Kofous is a legit 9 man rotation. & There's just these stretches where they loose the game & spend the rest of it clawing back in.

I don't think they're too far away, but it really needs to click asap. & Big Cuz neeeeds to stay on the floor. Enough with the dumb ****.

The talent is there but no cohesion yet and an increasing disenchantment with Old George is creeping in amongst the fanbase

[2Mas]

I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans around, so i try to watch as much Sacto as possible, but my issue is that they seem to just not try that hard.

1- McLemore is stupid athletic, he should not be tryna lay anything in. Should be straight dunks.

But my issue is like every player just seems to not care when they get scored on. It's kinda frustrating. WCS needs to more acive in the paint. I think he's too timid. He needds to be barking, arms up flying around there.

It's just irritating cause there's so much talent on this team. Rondo-Ben-Gay-WCS-Cuz DC-Belli-Casspi-Kofous is a legit 9 man rotation. & There's just these stretches where they loose the game & spend the rest of it clawing back in.

I don't think they're too far away, but it really needs to click asap. & Big Cuz neeeeds to stay on the floor. Enough with the dumb ****.

The talent is there but no cohesion yet and an increasing disenchantment with Old George is creeping in amongst the fanbase

Do you guys feel like he does anything?

I feel like he just sits in his chair & doesn't say a word. It's like Rondo's the coach out there more than anyone else.

I was pissed when Rondo went to Sac because of Karl. I get vibes that no one likes him lol. Knew he'd love Gay & Cousins. They seem to have each others back. I'd love to see this Sac with a different coach. Realistically, I don't think they'll ever be good enough to really contend, but I don't see why they couldn't be a 5+seed in the west. **** just has to get together soon.

[Kings2013]

I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans around, so i try to watch as much Sacto as possible, but my issue is that they seem to just not try that hard.

1- McLemore is stupid athletic, he should not be tryna lay anything in. Should be straight dunks.

But my issue is like every player just seems to not care when they get scored on. It's kinda frustrating. WCS needs to more acive in the paint. I think he's too timid. He needds to be barking, arms up flying around there.

It's just irritating cause there's so much talent on this team. Rondo-Ben-Gay-WCS-Cuz DC-Belli-Casspi-Kofous is a legit 9 man rotation. & There's just these stretches where they loose the game & spend the rest of it clawing back in.

I don't think they're too far away, but it really needs to click asap. & Big Cuz neeeeds to stay on the floor. Enough with the dumb ****.

The talent is there but no cohesion yet and an increasing disenchantment with Old George is creeping in amongst the fanbase

Do you guys feel like he does anything?

I feel like he just sits in his chair & doesn't say a word. It's like Rondo's the coach out there more than anyone else.

I was pissed when Rondo went to Sac because of Karl. I get vibes that no one likes him lol. Knew he'd love Gay & Cousins. They seem to have each others back. I'd love to see this Sac with a different coach. Realistically, I don't think they'll ever be good enough to really contend, but I don't see why they couldn't be a 5+seed in the west. **** just has to get together soon.

I think he's past his prime as a coach. A lot of Kings fans question both the offensive and defensive schemes with our particular roster. I think the team has to become somewhat self policing and or reliant on assistants because Karl doesn't appear the same. Many believe he was hired without Vlade's input and is warming the bench for an obligatory year as it would look bad to fire yet another coach and pay yet another salary

But as of now, when I look at a team who I feel has somewhat comparable talent like Utah in the west, and they have a young vibrant coach who is seemingly more adaptable I feel they have somewhat of an advantage

But these are early impressions

[blind prophet]

I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans around, so i try to watch as much Sacto as possible, but my issue is that they seem to just not try that hard.

1- McLemore is stupid athletic, he should not be tryna lay anything in. Should be straight dunks.

But my issue is like every player just seems to not care when they get scored on. It's kinda frustrating. WCS needs to more acive in the paint. I think he's too timid. He needds to be barking, arms up flying around there.

It's just irritating cause there's so much talent on this team. Rondo-Ben-Gay-WCS-Cuz DC-Belli-Casspi-Kofous is a legit 9 man rotation. & There's just these stretches where they loose the game & spend the rest of it clawing back in.

I don't think they're too far away, but it really needs to click asap. & Big Cuz neeeeds to stay on the floor. Enough with the dumb ****.

The talent is there but no cohesion yet and an increasing disenchantment with Old George is creeping in amongst the fanbase

Do you guys feel like he does anything?

I feel like he just sits in his chair & doesn't say a word. It's like Rondo's the coach out there more than anyone else.

I was pissed when Rondo went to Sac because of Karl. I get vibes that no one likes him lol. Knew he'd love Gay & Cousins. They seem to have each others back. I'd love to see this Sac with a different coach. Realistically, I don't think they'll ever be good enough to really contend, but I don't see why they couldn't be a 5+seed in the west. **** just has to get together soon.

I think he is mentoring one of the coaches to "take over" things down the road when his contract expires, so he lets them handle it. He also said in interviews that he used to try and control everything in the past, but learned to rely on his assistants more as his coaching career evolved.

I don't think he feels the need to say or do much with Rondo running the offense and lets it go.

[City of Trees]

Karl is up and walking around, at least that was the case in Miami... Didn't look like he ever yelled tho... To me it seems he just shakes his head at the ref and softly voices his frustrations... Reality is Karl is a shell of Crazy Karl the coach he USED to be. Kings didn't hire a current record breaking coach, they hired his resume.... which he's no longer capable of duplicating that success... All my opinion of course.

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[benchmobbin02]

So it's your opinion that a coach has to yell and go crazy on his team and the refs to be effective. I'm more of the mind that it is theatrics when Stan Van Gundy or Doc Rivers, for example, blow up on the sidelines. If someone carries them self with integrity and experience then a mature listener will be more likely to hear the message and, in the teams case, follow. You know, sane communication and leadership. Could it be that past mistakes, team dynamic and life and coaching experiences have shown Karl that this team doesn't need the screaming disciplinarian but the wise sensei. All my opinion as well.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, I don't think the issue is Karl not caring, or needing to be more animated. The problem is what has happened off the floor up to this point. The answer lies with Karl and his willingness and ability to adjust. In the games since the "blow up" he has made some adjustments. He's clearly taken some of what was said to heart and that's a good sign.

We all knew this wasn't a classic Karl type of team and it may just prove out that it can't be overcome, but then it still may be. Like I said, it's up to Karl to realize what he has and how to use it properly. I think he can do it and he's already started in some ways.

[City of Trees]

So it's your opinion that a coach has to yell and go crazy on his team and the refs to be effective. I'm more of the mind that it is theatrics when Stan Van Gundy or Doc Rivers, for example, blow up on the sidelines. If someone carries them self with integrity and experience then a mature listener will be more likely to hear the message and, in the teams case, follow. You know, sane communication and leadership. Could it be that past mistakes, team dynamic and life and coaching experiences have shown Karl that this team doesn't need the screaming disciplinarian but the wise sensei. All my opinion as well.

Sure you go ahead and categorize Karl's physical limitations as personal growth. Truth of the matter is personality and coaching style are unique to each coach, Karl is in uncharted territory as far as that goes.

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[City of Trees]

Yeah, I don't think the issue is Karl not caring, or needing to be more animated. The problem is what has happened off the floor up to this point. The answer lies with Karl and his willingness and ability to adjust. In the games since the "blow up" he has made some adjustments. He's clearly taken some of what was said to heart and that's a good sign.

We all knew this wasn't a classic Karl type of team and it may just prove out that it can't be overcome, but then it still may be. Like I said, it's up to Karl to realize what he has and how to use it properly. I think he can do it and he's already started in some ways.

The L's are on the players no doubt

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[Kings2013]

So it's your opinion that a coach has to yell and go crazy on his team and the refs to be effective. I'm more of the mind that it is theatrics when Stan Van Gundy or Doc Rivers, for example, blow up on the sidelines. If someone carries them self with integrity and experience then a mature listener will be more likely to hear the message and, in the teams case, follow. You know, sane communication and leadership. Could it be that past mistakes, team dynamic and life and coaching experiences have shown Karl that this team doesn't need the screaming disciplinarian but the wise sensei. All my opinion as well.

Sure you go ahead and categorize Karl's physical limitations as personal growth. Truth of the matter is personality and coaching style are unique to each coach, Karl is in uncharted territory as far as that goes.

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Not only physical.. The untradeable thing showed psychological detachment towards the etiquette of the job

We are lucky to have so many vets on this team now that can take up a leadership void if there are any

[benchmobbin02]

...personality and coaching style are unique to each coach, Karl is in uncharted territory as far as that goes.

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Obviously a person's personality and style is unique to them.

What do you mean by, "Karl is in uncharted territory" in relation to his own personality and style?

[City of Trees]

...personality and coaching style are unique to each coach, Karl is in uncharted territory as far as that goes.

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Obviously a person's personality and style is unique to them.

What do you mean by, "Karl is in uncharted territory" in relation to his own personality and style?

Meaning......... His physical limitations have left him searching for a new way to be effective as a coach.

I'm not saying Karl has no shot at winning games but what I am saying is he's not the same coach who won all those games in the past.

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[benchmobbin02]

...personality and coaching style are unique to each coach, Karl is in uncharted territory as far as that goes.

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Obviously a person's personality and style is unique to them.

What do you mean by, "Karl is in uncharted territory" in relation to his own personality and style?

Meaning......... His physical limitations have left him searching for a new way to be effective as a coach.

I'm not saying Karl has no shot at winning games but what I am saying is he's not the same coach who won all those games in the past.

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But he still has the knowledge, skill set and experience that won all those games backed by personal growth and insight from having survived his bout with cancer. It's a mater of speculatory opinion whether that makes him a better coach.

I'm of the mind that it makes him a better coach for this team. Patience, understanding, steadfast optimism, calming nature, maturity and wisdom. These are things, I believe, he has brought to this team and I think it has helped him a great deal with the constant challenges he has faced, one being doubters who question his temperament on the basis of a small batch of sideline footage.

Plus he has a group of trusted assistant coaches (Iske, Welch and Walberg) that he has molded to handle more and more responsibility. He isn't doing it alone. You look at any great coach and you will find great assistants (Carter, Williamson and Lieberman) that have been thru wars on the court and on their own and who help present a complete picture of the teams path going forward.

[Kings2013]

Obviously a person's personality and style is unique to them.

What do you mean by, "Karl is in uncharted territory" in relation to his own personality and style?

Meaning......... His physical limitations have left him searching for a new way to be effective as a coach.

I'm not saying Karl has no shot at winning games but what I am saying is he's not the same coach who won all those games in the past.

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But he still has the knowledge, skill set and experience that won all those games backed by personal growth and insight from having survived his bout with cancer. It's a mater of speculatory opinion whether that makes him a better coach.

I'm of the mind that it makes him a better coach for this team. Patience, understanding, steadfast optimism, calming nature, maturity and wisdom. These are things, I believe, he has brought to this team and I think it has helped him a great deal with the constant challenges he has faced, one being doubters who question his temperament on the basis of a small batch of sideline footage.

Plus he has a group of trusted assistant coaches (Iske, Welch and Walberg) that he has molded to handle more and more responsibility. He isn't doing it alone. You look at any great coach and you will find great assistants (Carter, Williamson and Lieberman) that have been thru wars on the court and on their own and who help present a complete picture of the teams path going forward.

His best player didn't want to talk to him all summer and the players mutinied on him within two weeks of the regular season. Half the fanbase question the fits of the schemes with these players. It's not a "small batch", a lot of fans don't like what they've seen from him on the sideline.

It is early though, and if Vlade publically proclaimed him coach for rest of the year he will get the opportunity. We've had a tough schedule and a lot of new players to integrate, so perhaps George can pull it together.

[benchmobbin02]

DMC not talking to him was a lot more complicated than any of us know and it would be irresponsible to say that that perceived friction has carried over to what we see on the court now.

The players didn't mutiny and to suggest that they did puts you in the camp of the national media that we all despise for always taking a negative slant on anything happening in SAC.

And how many fans know the inner workings of the team or the strategy? Just because you don't like what you have seen doesn't mean it is Karl's doing. It doesn't mean that if he had been in the players faces and calling them out that things would be different. Or if he had a different game plan or sub rotation that we'd have won more games.

Just maybe this is a team with a transcendent if not temperamental star, a new floor general, a bevy of new player pieces that have to learn to play together and trust one another, some young guys looking to find their way in the league, a new system they are still learning in stages and getting better at, inopportune injuries to important linchpins in said system and lastly new coaches that are learning their players. Maybe it's gonna take some time to get things right.

I know adjustment have to be made. That is the case with any new leader with a new team in any field. But to put the all the weight of the early transitions on Karl is wrong in my opinion. Maybe we can be more patience.