Official Draft Thread 2015-16

FakeScreenName123 · Post #321 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:15 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Don't you think he's a 4 in today's NBA?

Free yer mind from positions, young padawan.

Post #322 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:24 pm

Ben Simmons is Lamar Odom without the drug problem. I'd take the shot on his combination of talent/skill/athleticism every chance I had. He may never develop the killer instinct, but if he does, he's EASILY a top 5 player for the next 10 years. Guys like him don't come around often.

Post #323 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:27 pm

truth18 wrote:From the Sixers forum:

Sportfan73 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I'm absolutely fatigued. But I'm not surprised. Once I Okafor's name called I knew what was coming. Noel wasn't going to be able to play with him and he was going to be Brook Lopez part 2. Three years of tanking and all we have to show for it is Noel, Covington, the European Luke Walton and the hope that we can flip Okafor later, to some GM that's sleeping.

Okafor for smart and Brooklyn pick.

I think about it. Okafor could be a really special player.

He's got a -27 on-off rating on the season. He made an 18 win team significantly worse on both ends.

I'm not closing the book on him, but I'm not in a hurry to trade our two best assets for him until he proves himself to be something better than a lazier Big Al.

Post #324 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:34 pm

Fischella wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
24istheLAW wrote:I'm no shooting coach but I binge-watched video of Simmons playing a few months ago, and his shooting woes (assuming he hasn't changed in this regard) are really troubling imo. Watching him attempt jumpers, he shoots with his hands, and the way his body twists towards his guide hand when he takes a shot makes the release inconsistent. He isn't "pushing" the ball straight out of his jumper, he pushes it a little to the right as he jumps and compensates to the left with his guide hand. Its hard enough to correctly gauge the distance of a shot - Simmons doesn't have repeatable mechanics lining up his jumper to begin with.

One wonders if him being ambidextrous (which makes him a great ballhandler and finisher) contributed to him developing that habit but he looks to me like his shot is more in the "broke as hell" category than in the "work in progress" category.

He's about the same size as Blake Griffin - might be the guy to model his game after.

He has not even near the in-game athleticism Griffin has, plus Blake's touch and shot are terrific, he has always been a better one on one player, better body control and hops.

I was think more of the way that Blake rebounds, handles and facilitates from the PF spot without having opponents respecting his J.

Phoenix era Boris Diaw would be another example.

I just don't think it makes sense to peg a 6'10 240lb teenager with a sketchy J as a SF. If he can defend PF 1-on-1, it makes sense to put him there to get the most out of his defensive quickness on pick and roll as well as his rebounding ability.

Post #325 » by **darrendaye** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:45 pm

It's very early, but of the expected top 3-5, I'm probably going to favor Ingram. I worry about his motor primarily. But despite the short and relatively unproductive play against Kentucky, I like that he appears to be a willing teammate and accepting of a supporting role while still showing he can be aggressive. It will be interesting to see how his shooting numbers evolve during the season.

Another guy whom I haven't been able to watch but who might be in the top 10 mix is Thomas Bryant of Indiana. Seems to already be firing up 3's, is a shot blocker, and reputedly has a strong motor.

As for Bender, my fear with him is his assertiveness. Seems to be a mark on many of the scouting reports I've read. Whereas I loved both Nurkic and Portzingis coming over, much of it was due to their aggressive nature. Again, it's still early and I look forward to tracking his progress and viewing as much youtube as I can on the guy, I have trepidation.

Post #326 » by **165bows** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:25 pm

^^Good call on Bryant. He, Zimmerman and/or Rabb may end up leaping some of the current guys mocked top 10.

No-Man · Post #327 » by **No-Man** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:10 am

Rabb is mocked top10 all around.
Zimmerman looks a bit like Cody Zeller out there,

mloyko · Post #328 » by **mloyko** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:15 am

Watched the Cal game tonight to see Jaylen Brown and 5-Star Freshman PF Ivan Rabb stole the show. He looks like a legit talent. I know he was once ranked as a possible top 5 pick and then slipped, but he looks like he's gained some weight and his athleticism was on display tonight. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

Post #329 » by **165bows** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:16 am

@deanondraft: Rabb has been absolutely torching soft defenses. Can't wait to see how it translates to a real D vs San Diego State on Thanksgiving

Murta · Post #330 » by **Murta** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:13 am

The thing with ranking Rabb is that he was dominant in high school before the U18 Worlds 2014 where he was completely underwhelming and raw. And he continued to be dominant in HS after it. Even if he vastly improved in those last 15 months, you can't just rank him higher outright because his production in HS was about the same. He wasn't even invited for U19 Worlds 2015.

Post #331 » by **165bows** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:55 pm

Fischella wrote:Rabb is mocked top10 all around.
Zimmerman looks a bit like Cody Zeller out there,

He's not in ESPN's top 10. Draft Express has him #22 in 2017.

Serious question: is Rabb possibly better than Skal?

No-Man · Post #332 » by **No-Man** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:56 pm

Remains to be seen, he certainly looks more complete and promising in terms of rebounding and athleticism.
Doesnt have Skal's touch or jumper, Rabb is anywhere between Ed Davis and Jermaine, we shall see, but he looks like a top10 pick.

ddb · Post #333 » by **ddb** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:27 pm

Fischella wrote:Remains to be seen, he certainly looks more complete and promising in terms of rebounding and athleticism.
Doesnt have Skal's touch or jumper, Rabb is anywhere between Ed Davis and Jermaine, we shall see, but he looks like a top10 pick.

funny you say Jermaine O'Neal as a comp for Rabb...I was watching parts of the Cal game last night and was thinking the same exact thing. He's A LOT like a young JO'Neal.

Also, one guy that's sorta flying under the radar thus far that I anticipate shooting up draft boards is Stephen Zimmerman. He's an explosive 7 footer. A bit raw, but has all the tools.

ddb · Post #334 » by **ddb** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:31 pm

darrendaye wrote:It's very early, but of the expected top 3-5, I'm probably going to favor Ingram. I worry about his motor primarily. But despite the short and relatively unproductive play against Kentucky, I like that he appears to be a willing teammate and accepting of a supporting role while still showing he can be aggressive. It will be interesting to see how his shooting numbers evolve during the season.

Another guy whom I haven't been able to watch but who might be in the top 10 mix is Thomas Bryant of Indiana. Seems to already be firing up 3's, is a shot blocker, and reputedly has a strong motor.

As for Bender, my fear with him is his assertiveness. Seems to be a mark on many of the scouting reports I've read. Whereas I loved both Nurkic and Portzingis coming over, much of it was due to their aggressive nature. Again, it's still early and I look forward to tracking his progress and viewing as much youtube as I can on the guy, I have trepidation.

IMO, if the BK pick ends up 3-6, Ainge will trade out for an established player.

Shamrock · Post #335 » by **Shamrock** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:45 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtC3d74KoXQ[/youtube]

Edug27 · Post #336 » by **Edug27** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:46 pm

ddb wrote:
darrendaye wrote:It's very early, but of the expected top 3-5, I'm probably going to favor Ingram. I worry about his motor primarily. But despite the short and relatively unproductive play against Kentucky, I like that he appears to be a willing teammate and accepting of a supporting role while still showing he can be aggressive. It will be interesting to see how his shooting numbers evolve during the season.

Another guy whom I haven't been able to watch but who might be in the top 10 mix is Thomas Bryant of Indiana. Seems to already be firing up 3's, is a shot blocker, and reputedly has a strong motor.

As for Bender, my fear with him is his assertiveness. Seems to be a mark on many of the scouting reports I've read. Whereas I loved both Nurkic and Portzingis coming over, much of it was due to their aggressive nature. Again, it's still early and I look forward to tracking his progress and viewing as much youtube as I can on the guy, I have trepidation.

IMO, if the BK pick ends up 3-6, Ainge will trade out for an established player.

Easier said than done. A player worth a top 5 pick has to come available.

brackdan70 · Post #337 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:08 pm

Shamrock wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtC3d74KoXQ[/youtube]

I couldn't agree more.

Post #338 » by **165bows** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:20 pm

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:
darrendaye wrote:It's very early, but of the expected top 3-5, I'm probably going to favor Ingram. I worry about his motor primarily. But despite the short and relatively unproductive play against Kentucky, I like that he appears to be a willing teammate and accepting of a supporting role while still showing he can be aggressive. It will be interesting to see how his shooting numbers evolve during the season.

Another guy whom I haven't been able to watch but who might be in the top 10 mix is Thomas Bryant of Indiana. Seems to already be firing up 3's, is a shot blocker, and reputedly has a strong motor.

As for Bender, my fear with him is his assertiveness. Seems to be a mark on many of the scouting reports I've read. Whereas I loved both Nurkic and Portzingis coming over, much of it was due to their aggressive nature. Again, it's still early and I look forward to tracking his progress and viewing as much youtube as I can on the guy, I have trepidation.

IMO, if the BK pick ends up 3-6, Ainge will trade out for an established player.

Easier said than done. A player worth a top 5 pick has to come available.

That plus really hope this isn't a 2011/2013 type of draft where the #2/#1 picks were available and couldn't get anything of major value. Would really help to have five solid players at the top.

bucknersrevenge · Post #339 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Shamrock wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtC3d74KoXQ[/youtube]

Let's see what happens when he plays a real team...which is not gonna happen until January when conference play begins.

Murta · Post #340 » by **Murta** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:08 pm

Edug27 wrote:
ddb wrote:IMO, if the BK pick ends up 3-6, Ainge will trade out for an established player.

Easier said than done. A player worth a top 5 pick has to come available.

The problem is also that a 3-6 pick won't get you a game changer, Danny would have to attach additional assets to get that type of player.
A quick look through the League to see who we could trade for:
ATL: Horford
CHA: MKG?
CHI: Butler
IND: George
MIA: Dragić?, Whiteside?
NYK: Melo?
ORL: Gordon?, Harris?
PHI: Noel, Embiid?
TOR: DeRozan
WAS: Beal
DAL: Parsons?
DEN: Gallo
GSW: Barnes
MEM: Gasol, Conley?
MIN: Rubio?
NOP: Jrue
OKC: Westbrook?, Ibaka?
PHO: Bledsoe?
SAC: Cousins
UTA: Hayward

BRK, CLE (Kyrie, Love), DET (Drummond), MIA(Winslow) MIL (Parker, Giannis, Middleton), TOR (Valanciunas), HOU, LAC, LAL (Russel, Randle), POR(Lillard, McCollum), SAS (Leonard), UTA (Favors)

Underlined players are free agents to be in 2016, bolded players are ones a 3-6 pick alone would most likely net us, italic are reasonable targets with such pick + sth else but not a lot. Question marks are those in hard to define situations or those in which we would have mild interest. Red are game changers (superstars & M. Gasol). Last row are teams without interesting players or teams that won't trade their interesting players. I don't even try to mention guys like LeBron or Harden.

I don't feel a ton of excitement reading the list.