Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[Ruzious]

And while MCW has obvious offensive issues, he's one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. And they do have other players capable of being outstanding defenders in Giannis and Henson. It's a matter of using them in the best ways, and I think Kidd is feeling his way around there.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't care about Cousins' temper; I don't see it as a big deal. I don't have a problem w/ his "character" at all -- he has a personality, and he's passionate.

I care about his ability to put up numbers -- not just *some* numbers but across the board, because that's the way it is in basketball. Everyone does everything (some things more some less of course), and all of it influences wins and losses the same way no matter who is doing it. I.e. I don't worry about a quarterback's ability to tackle, but I do worry about a point guard's rebounding.

It's too few minutes to matter, but Cousins is *not* having "his best season." He's had some monster games, you bet. He'll have more too, because he's unbelievably gifted. But...

...though he's added the 3, and is shooting it well, his 2 pt. % is down. Overall, his TS% is .55 -- it was .54% last year. That's a little better, yes, and his turnovers are down some too -- also better. But his defensive rebounds, steals, blocks and assists have all dropped. Overall, using any measure but PER, he's actually a little down off of last year. His PER is up very very slightly (0.8).*

* Keep in mind that PER rewards volume shooters for their misses as well as their makes. E.g. look at Cousins' numbers vs. for example DeAndre Jordan. Leaving aside shooting, Jordan does most everything better. More rebounds, way fewer fouls, way fewer turnovers, almost as many steals, way more blocks, etc. But, every 40 minutes, Cousins makes 13+ more points shooting the ball than Jordan.

Yet, to do that, he has to take 17+ extra shots! That's 39% on the extra shots -- awful, but those misses *help* rather than hurt his PER. Even w/ Jordan's horrendous FT shooting, his TS% is .60 to Cousins' .56. And, he's better at everything else. Still, his PER is 18 to Cousins' 25

Pif, Cousins never was asked to be a stretch four. Now he's killing it from three.

Cousins never played with Rondo, who has had several triple doubles. (Lower rebounds percentage explained).

Cousins never played with two viable Cs, Koufos and Willie Cauley Stein. (He's being effected by other bigs like Nene effects Gortat when both bigs are on the court.)

Your aversion to Cousins is noted. Twelve games of stats with him injured and with roster flux explains all.

IMO you're wrong as heck. Cousins is better than ever.




John Wall or Demarcus Cousins+Derrick Favors?

Five years it takes at to be correctly understood.

The compelling case against DMC: BOOGIE COUSINS' REAL FEUD IS WITH MATH

Consider last year's Kings. Cousins attempted 18.1 field goals per game, the highest number on a team that averaged 80.7 field goal attempts per game. Cousins also missed 23 games, in which Sacramento averaged 79.9 field goal attempts. When a player is removed from a roster, all the shots that player was taking don't vanish. They just get taken by someone else.

This is why scoring totals are a poor player evaluation tool, and why shooting efficiency is so important. Is a star player actually better at scoring than the guys who otherwise would be taking his shots? If not, he isn't much of a "star."

Historically, the average player at Cousins' position posts an effective field goal percentage of 49.2 percent. Yet for his career, Cousins has only had an effective field goal percentage of 46.4 percent. He's scoring points, but using the shots he's taking from his teammates inefficiently. That's not helping the Kings!

fishercob, I taught algebra to middle schoolers in AL about 10 years ago. FEUD ... WAR ... Cognitive dissonance ... cultural relevancy in question.

I haven't read the above but I will.

[barelyawake]

CCJ, It's senseless to argue Cousins would do well here because we know the arguments on both sides:

Us: Wall would put the ball in a better place for Cousins to score, and stabilize him emotionally because of touches, friendship and wins.

Them: Players play the same no matter whom they play with.

Us: Cousins' emotional fire is actually a good sign.

Them: Look at his tech rate to date.

Us: The games actually change during playoffs, thus regular season stats don't determine winners.

Them: Everything changed after Golden State.

Us:,We have a pretty damn good track record of predicting these things over a decade, despite the stats.

Them: Stats...

It's the same argument over and over. It's fairly easy to body slam a guy like Pif who can't think a creative thought that doesn't end in 1 or 0, or string together a semi-witty phrase to save his life that doesn't make everyone groan in sympathy, but to what end?

Yes, we need Cousins. There is close to no path to a championship without him. See you folks in another few months...

[TGW]

LOL there's no path to a championship without cousins?

Yea...just go back into hiding.

[montestewart]

It's fairly easy to body slam a guy like Pif who can't think a creative thought that doesn't end in 1 or 0

All thoughts end in 1 or 0.

[AFM]

It's fairly easy to body slam a guy like Pif who can't think a creative thought that doesn't end in 1 or 0

All thoughts end in 1 or 0.

Says robomonte 3000. Monte "personality of siri" Stewart.

Please don't go in on PIF, that's my job. At least be funny about it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nene + filler for Monroe

Why for Bucks:
The Bucks have buyers remorse after signing Monroe to a big contract only to give up large amounts of points night after night. By trading for the expiring Nene they get out of Monroe's contract and take a crack at free agency again in 2016.

Why for Wiz:
-Monroe is a young offensive center who would come of the bench in Washington to mitigate his poor defensive ability not unlike how OKC uses Kanter. This creates huge mismatches nightly, as Monroe will score on opposing backups easily.
-Rather than wait for free agency next year, we get a big acquisition right away to make a push towards the finals immediately. We also remove the uncertainty of free agency(ie every free agent goes elsewhere and the Wiz are left holding the bag).

I'm not sure Milwaukee has buyer's remorse just yet, but certainly could at the end of the year. At this point I'd rather keep our options open, but Monroe for cap space is a decent Plan C if we can't hook bigger fish (my Plan B is still Melo).

I like Carmelo as plan B, LR.


John Wall or Demarcus Cousins+Derrick Favors?

Five years it takes at to be correctly understood.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's fairly easy to body slam a guy like Pif who can't think a creative thought that doesn't end in 1 or 0

All thoughts end in 1 or 0.

Nerd Alert:

Logic tables, tautology, Boolean algebra, binary, hexadecimal, ....

1 or 0 is like yes or no; in a world of no maybe. Thoughts end like montestewart said.

Maybe...

[deneem4]

We should've traded for ersan

[nate33]

We should've traded for ersan

Why? Humphries is better in every statistical category except he trails slightly in assists.

[J-Ves]

Is Monroe part of the problem defensively in Milwaukee? Absolutely -- they're the defensive version of a Grunfeld draft pick when he's on the floor. But their defense when he's off the floor would still rank 28th in the league. Their defensive issues run WAY deeper than Monroe. For his career, Monroe hasn't been an impact player defensively -- good or bad. His teams have generally been about as good defensively when he's on the floor as they have been when he's off. My guess is that as the sample size expands, we'll see something similar in Milwaukee.

It's early but Detroit goes from 19th in d rating to 5th. Milwaukee goes from 3rd to last. Monroe is a terrible defender and it shows. Milwaukee would do well to get out of that contact.


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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Boogie Cousins won't be traded. He and Karl are buds judging by the Kings after winning at Orlando are 5-4 with Demarcus, and 0-5 without him.

[J-Ves]

Boogie Cousins won't be traded. He and Karl are buds judging by the Kings after winning at Orlando are 5-4 with Demarcus, and 0-5 without him.

I agree, it's pointless to talk DMC trades. He isn't going anywhere.


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[SUPERBALLMAN]

What about our 2016 1st to Bulls for Portis?

He's buried there. They get the pick back, we can use the Martell exemption to take on Portis.

We can throw in Blair to entice them.

[nate33]

What about our 2016 1st to Bulls for Portis?

He's buried there. They get the pick back, we can use the Martell exemption to take on Portis.

We can throw in Blair to entice them.

I think Chicago knows they have a good player in Portis. Gasol, Gibson and Noah are old and/or injury prone. Portis will get playing time eventually - even if they have to wait a year. They're not going to trade him for a future late 1st.

If we want Portis, the only way Chicago considers it is if it's Oubre for Portis. And I don't think they'd even do that.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Any ideas on this roster exemption the Wizards are applying for to fill Webster's spot?


I was thinking David Stockton could be worth picking up. But Henry Sims may be a more practical addition.

Not sure who else is available.

[krii]

Any ideas on this roster exemption the Wizards are applying for to fill Webster's spot?


I was thinking David Stockton could be worth picking up. But Henry Sims may be a more practical addition.

Not sure who else is available.

I'd love to see DStockton here. He fits this up-tempo system (which reminds me a bit of Mark Few's Gonzaga), he is a nice passer and he developed quite nice 3 point shooting. He could contribute (IMO he would be better than Neal).

[Earth2Ted]

Any ideas on this roster exemption the Wizards are applying for to fill Webster's spot?


I was thinking David Stockton could be worth picking up. But Henry Sims may be a more practical addition.

Not sure who else is available.

Byron mullens, anyone? No world beater, but has length, athleticism, and has shown good shooting range from time to time at the center position at the nba level.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Any ideas on this roster exemption the Wizards are applying for to fill Webster's spot?


I was thinking David Stockton could be worth picking up. But Henry Sims may be a more practical addition.

Not sure who else is available.

Jarrid Famous?

[stevemcqueen1]

Ryan Anderson is killing it the past few games. His stroke from three is as good as ever. He looks confident and healthy now, looks like he might finally be back to where he was before the neck injury.