Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[TTNN]

As for Lin, his role is all over the place as intended by Clifford who sees him as a versatile player that could play the 1 or the 2 and with whomever when needed. I don't quite agree with this at this moment because he hasn't proven that type of effectiveness this season. He's not Manu or Jamal Crawford, I'd rather see him get settled into a steady role and get acclimated with the players around him. I'm not making excuses for Lin, just don't think he's that adaptive yet. Sometimes overcomplicating things or being too creative isn't the best solution. Keep it simple, let him play the conventional backup pg role imo.

totally agree. I'd prefer Lin get more defined role first. I think switching back and forth from different roles could mess up his mind. Could totally understand the team will sometimes needs him in different places, just hope he could at least have some degree of stability.

Like when he start, he need to play that defensive role and would have less offensive touches, but when he is running the second unit, they should try to keep that 2nd unit intact, so at least he will have some time in his old familiar role.

[steady]

3pt shooting

28% for the season
22% last 11 games
18% last 9 games
14 % last 5 games

Those are some Lance Stephenson type numbers.

His PER is still 16.6 compared to Lance's avg of 8.8 last year

Besides I don't think his box score numbers are going to be the best marker of Lin's success this season. Like Igoudala at GS, Lin's greatest contribution to team will be more about whether he can help make a functioning unit out of the bench. If the second unit is doing well .

Sacrifice and willingness to do some of the thankless work will be part of his heroics this year.

And ... yeah also ... those numbers are going to get a lot better. I think

[spaceballer]

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[Teddyb]

I don't really care about Lins TO's...gonna happen.What Im concerned with is his inability to make a shot....his numbers will improve i think....

[Teddyb]

also I prefer Lin off the bench with the ball in his hands

[ChokeFasncists]

New shooting form, he'll get better real soon.

Lin's gotten better at playing SG, it's nice to see.

[JMAC3]

Everything I find online about Jeremy Lin contract has him signed for next year with no player option. Is he guaranteed to be on the team? It seems like everyone on here is under the assumption he is free to leave at end of the year. Please advise haha

[Liver_Pooty]

Everything I find online about Jeremy Lin contract has him signed for next year with no player option. Is he guaranteed to be on the team? It seems like everyone on here is under the assumption he is free to leave at end of the year. Please advise haha

He has a player option after this year.

[JMAC3]

Everything I find online about Jeremy Lin contract has him signed for next year with no player option. Is he guaranteed to be on the team? It seems like everyone on here is under the assumption he is free to leave at end of the year. Please advise haha

He has a player option after this year.

I can not find any proof of that. Every where I look (hoopshype and basketball reference) have him listed as under contract with no specific options. Can we clear this up?

[spaceballer]

Everything I find online about Jeremy Lin contract has him signed for next year with no player option. Is he guaranteed to be on the team? It seems like everyone on here is under the assumption he is free to leave at end of the year. Please advise haha

Eric Pincus, reporter for the LA Times and writer for Basketball Insiders, up to date on most contract details, has reported that it's a player option.

https://twitter.com/ericpincus/status/619552501084192768

It's also listed as a player option on salary websites like Spotrac.

[jtsmith]

also spotrac has it listed as player option
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/jeremy-lin/

[Roy Tarpley]

A pro-Lin article from Vice Sports.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-redemption-of-jeremy-lin

At the end, it points to an important question that Lin will need to address:

Is he okay being a 6th man/backup PG in a good team environment, like the Hornets right now?
Or does he want to find another environment where he can be the main PG?

Given that the Hornets, while a good team, don't have real potential to advance far in the playoffs (right now, they're a 1st round team at best, and may only get to second round even with a FA acquisition), I think Lin would choose another environment IF he (1) can be guaranteed the starting PG position; and (2) has a coach/management that he trusts and they believe in him. I don't even think team talent matters at this point -- there's so much parity in the league that there's not much separation between the 8th best team and the 8th worst team.

Again, there aren't too many options I can think of right now -- a team would have to gamble on him or there would have to be an injury situation.

[yosemiteben]

If he wanted to be the main PG, he probably shouldn't have picked CHA. I feel like he answered that when he signed here, unless you think he changed his mind since then. I doubt his performance so far this season has more teams thinking he's a starting caliber PG than already thought that this past offseason.

[Roy Tarpley]

If he wanted to be the main PG, he probably shouldn't have picked CHA. I feel like he answered that when he signed here, unless you think he changed his mind since then. I doubt his performance so far this season has more teams thinking he's a starting caliber PG than already thought that this past offseason.

I think he was fine with 6th man/backup PG this year but who knows next year? That's the question he'll have to answer. I agree that there is nothing he's done this year that increases his leverage or value. But again, even at his current value, if a team is willing to gamble or is desperate or if there is an injury or if D'Antoni comes back and needs a PG, then that's a different situation.

[Teddyb]

If he wanted to be the main PG, he probably shouldn't have picked CHA. I feel like he answered that when he signed here, unless you think he changed his mind since then. I doubt his performance so far this season has more teams thinking he's a starting caliber PG than already thought that this past offseason.

I think he was fine with 6th man/backup PG this year but who knows next year? That's the question he'll have to answer. I agree that there is nothing he's done this year that increases his leverage or value. But again, even at his current value, if a team is willing to gamble or is desperate or if there is an injury or if D'Antoni comes back and needs a PG, then that's a different situation.

I agree with this. I don't think he has increased his value. He's shot poorly. He has played well but shot poorly. That Im guessing will change. However his value is way above the 2 million he's making now and he will get offers in the off season.....

I think he's happy here in Charlotte

[ChokeFasncists]

Clifford said he absolutely believes Lin will be a starting point guard in the league. "I watch him play and, I mean, it's not like he's not doing anything that he's not going to be able to do consistently," Clifford said. "It's not like you're saying, 'He's made 19 of his last 20 threes,' or something. No. He's a good player."

Clifford noted that Lin's comfort shooting the ball, his improved mobility to the basket with both hands, and his defensive performances are all at the highest level of his career. He's scoring, too; his per-36-minute production is comparable to his Linsanity numbers.

Sounds good, Lin just needs to snap out of his shooting slump now.

[fatlever]

I think if Lin keeps making decisions based on being a starter, then he might just keep jumping from team to team. If he goes to another team next summer, that will be 6 teams in 7 years. At what point does being part of a long-term team and having some consistency in both his personal and professional life become more important than being a starter?

Lets face it, if Lin is your starting PG, then there is a good chance the team will always be looking over their shoulder for a better or younger alternative, either thru the draft or trade. At best Lin would still most likely be in the bottom half of starting PGs in the league. Unless you have a young PG that you are grooming for the future or a guy that you committed a huge sum of money to, then you probably are not going to be content with your PG being in the bottom half at his starting position.

I'd love to see Lin re-sign here this summer on a 3 year deal, paying him a fair salary for an elite back PG/6th man type (hard to guess that number with all the cap craziness that will happen this summer). He could really make this team and city part of his own.

[Roy Tarpley]

I think if Lin keeps making decisions based on being a starter, then he might just keep jumping from team to team. If he goes to another team next summer, that will be 6 teams in 7 years. At what point does being part of a long-term team and having some consistency in both his personal and professional life become more important than being a starter?

Lets face it, if Lin is your starting PG, then there is a good chance the team will always be looking over their shoulder for a better or younger alternative, either thru the draft or trade. At best Lin would still most likely be in the bottom half of starting PGs in the league. Unless you have a young PG that you are grooming for the future or a guy that you committed a huge sum of money to, then you probably are not going to be content with your PG being in the bottom half at his starting position.

I'd love to see Lin re-sign here this summer on a 3 year deal, paying him a fair salary for an elite back PG/6th man type (hard to guess that number with all the cap craziness that will happen this summer). He could really make this team and city part of his own.

WRT to your first question, I think being a starter outweighs consistency IF the consistency is with a team that that doesn't have bright prospects. For example, if Lin had the Livingston/Barbosa role on GSW, then I think he'd want to stay with that team and build a dynasty. But my guess is that he'd prefer being a starter on new Team X than being the backup on the Hornets -- regardless of whether it's his 100th team in 101 years.

I think there are certain scenarios where the team wouldn't have to look over their shoulders for an alternative. For example, if the Spurs decided that Parker/Ginobili are too old and not a part of the newer movement with Aldridge and Leonard, then maybe they'd want a PG in his prime rather than a rookie. Parker and Ginobili aren't in the top 10 stat-wise but they do their jobs extremely well and fit the team.

This is all just some fun crystal balling -- right now, I think Lin is in a good situation, with good teammates, a supportive coach, and the right system. He's even been getting quality playing time as of late. My only gripe is that he needs to start shooting better, and he needs to stop over-helping on defense.

[bws94]

I don't think Lin will outweigh other factors compared to starting. He needs to be with a coach he feels trusts him, where he can play his game to an acceptable extent, a team that doesn't have a ball stopper and one where he'll be able to reasonably contribute. If Lin gets to finish games it is a lot more important that starting.

I agree with fatlever. It would be nice to stay with a group of guys and a coach, know that system, and not keep readjusting to new coaches, systems, players and cities. Lin is more than a backup, he so far is a closer and at times a 6th man so he's got a good place in Charlotte. If he can get with the Spurs as a starter, well, of course he'd go there but he's better off with Charlotte than a really bad team like Phili or a not so great team like the Nets (where he may not take Jacks starting position anyway). Plus, Lin has seen himself as a starter twice go to the bench so even if he were to start, it may not last long.

Lin's shot will fall. If you watched the preseason you saw it fall. Lin will figure that out. I think his biggest problem is he still isn't totally adept at running an NBA offense and needs to fine-tune that. And he just has to handle on the ball dribble pressure better. Defensively, improve the PnR defense and find a way to keep guys in front of him better. And stop roaming so much, especially when guarding a good 3 point shooter.

[bws94]

Lin said on the part 2 of the 2 guys that interviewed him that his signature move is hesitate and go right. I hope he works on that and does it more. But go left or right. Lin's strength is going in a straight line. If he can change direction quicker to add with his elite first step, and then keep working on a step back 2, he opens up his dribble penetration game more and makes it more effective.