2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[charliez88PL]

BPA with high lottery picks. We are 0 - 23 since last March. This team has no identity and that will remain the case until (1) we get through the 2016 draft, (2) Sign FA(s) next summer and (3) we see that roster play at least 40 games. Let's consider "FIT" at the 2017 Trade Deadline.

I haven't watched Ben Simmons yet (looking forward to doing so). Based on what I'm reading on our Board, it sounds like Simmons is a more athletic version of Saric. Simmons can defend better on the perimeter but lacks the shooting stroke to provide the spacing you'd like from a SF.

Question: Is Simmons a bigger, playmaking MKG?

Sarić may have lower ceiling, but he's better fit, he's MUCH better shooter than Ben (40% 3pt last year(, he's also good passer, but not playmaker. Sarić is versatile, well trained Euro player with high BB IQ.

Comparison to MKG... no - MKG was/is and will be MUCH better defender, but struggles on scoring/shooting can be similar.

[Sixerscan]

Look at GSW - Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green - every one of them can hit the 3, that is main reason, why they are champions. Spurs - Manu, Parker, Green, Leonard, Bonner, Mills - good 3pt shooters, Heat: Chalmers, James, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Mavs: Dirk, Kidd (one of career best 3pt/spot up 3pt season), Terry, Peja, Butler, Barea and elite D - Marion.

A lot of these guys were below average/crappy outside shooters when they were 19. I'm not going to look through all of them, but off the top of my head: Iggy, Barnes, Green, Parker, Kawhi, James, Wade, Bosh, Kidd (His nickname was Ason Kidd for crying out loud).

You can't look at these young guys like they're finished products. It's something he has to work on, like freshie said.

[freshie2]

Sure, MAGIC would be ok today, but I think he wouldnt be that good as back then. Today 3pt shots are most important ever. Beside it - Magic was PG anyway, Simmons if more point forward to me. For sure - he's unique, but where is his ceiling? Closer to LeBron/Magic, or closer to Odom / Evan Turner? That's huge difference. And as you said - character - often it's more important than some tools. Look and JR Smith and Manu Ginobili

Sure...who knows, but you probably have 3 tiers...unfortunately Turner isn't even close to Odom at this point. Regardless, Simmons has enough tools to be worth the pick and immediately upgrades your team.

MKG comparisons are a bit off...is he really anything other than a defensive presence who happens to be a local kid?? Is he any less a 'bust' (to some) than Turner??

[charliez88PL]

Look at GSW - Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green - every one of them can hit the 3, that is main reason, why they are champions. Spurs - Manu, Parker, Green, Leonard, Bonner, Mills - good 3pt shooters, Heat: Chalmers, James, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Mavs: Dirk, Kidd (one of career best 3pt/spot up 3pt season), Terry, Peja, Butler, Barea and elite D - Marion.

A lot of these guys were below average/crappy outside shooters when they were 19. I'm not going to look through all of them, but off the top of my head: Iggy, Barnes, Green, Parker, Kawhi, James, Wade, Bosh, Kidd (His nickname was Ason Kidd for crying out loud).

You can't look at these young guys like they're finished products. It's something he has to work on, like freshie said.

Yeah, but I'm concerned that if we'll take Simmons we will be stucked with players who don't fit at all - that's extremely poor conditions to get W and develop players. I'm just afraid, that Hinkie will be forced to trade some of our guys before we can evaluate them. Some of them can be allstars, but probably not in Philly.

IF Simmons will be #1 before draft , and we'll finally have that #1 pick - lets be honest - there is no other option - we have to take him. I just have doubts that Simmons is that good. And I think that we should start to create TEAM. Now we have 2 talents @ C who doesnt fit, and one potential superstar @ C, who can't play, one nice talent in Europe in Sarić @ PF.

Anyway... I was thinking. Jahlil Okafor / Klay Thompson trade. We're getting young shooter/scorer, GSW gets lowpost beast... and they have amazing spacing for him. My only doubt - Klay probably would commit suicide...

[Sixerscan]

Look at GSW - Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green - every one of them can hit the 3, that is main reason, why they are champions. Spurs - Manu, Parker, Green, Leonard, Bonner, Mills - good 3pt shooters, Heat: Chalmers, James, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Mavs: Dirk, Kidd (one of career best 3pt/spot up 3pt season), Terry, Peja, Butler, Barea and elite D - Marion.

A lot of these guys were below average/crappy outside shooters when they were 19. I'm not going to look through all of them, but off the top of my head: Iggy, Barnes, Green, Parker, Kawhi, James, Wade, Bosh, Kidd (His nickname was Ason Kidd for crying out loud).

You can't look at these young guys like they're finished products. It's something he has to work on, like freshie said.

Yeah, but I'm concerned that if we'll take Simmons we will be stucked with players who don't fit at all - that's extremely poor conditions to get W and develop players. I'm just afraid, that Hinkie will be forced to trade some of our guys before we can evaluate them. Some of them can be allstars, but probably not in Philly.

IF Simmons will be #1 before draft , and we'll finally have that #1 pick - lets be honest - there is no other option - we have to take him. I just have doubts that Simmons is that good. And I think that we should start to create TEAM. Now we have 2 talents @ C who doesnt fit, and one potential superstar @ C, who can't play, one nice talent in Europe in Sarić @ PF.

Anyway... I was thinking. Jahlil Okafor / Klay Thompson trade. We're getting young shooter/scorer, GSW gets lowpost beast... and they have amazing spacing for him. My only doubt - Klay probably would commit suicide...

How many teams keep the same top 5-7 players for longer than a few seasons at a time? Whether or not these guys fit well, trades will be made, other guys will be brought in, etc.

[charliez88PL]

Sure, but we're looking for franchise players now. Guys for 8-10 yrs.

To me Nerlens is the only franchise player in Philly - he fit's almost to everyone, he can play slow, fast, he can defend bigs and guards and may be @ DPOTY level in few years. It's early to say, but Okafor looks worse than Porzingis and KAT, it's hard to build around him, he doesnt fit to BB's uptempo, and most important - he'll never be anchor in D. There is a reason why Al Jefferson is putting 20/10 in borderline PO teams, and why Tyson Chandler is 2nd best player in championship team. Okafor may by better than Big Al, but it looks like they have similiar issues. Big Al can do 10rpg, 2bpg, but still - he's bad defender. I can see Nerlens/Sarić/Simmons on the floor, but still we dont have any good scorer. I the other way - I don't see Okafor/Noel/Simmons on the floor , and I'm damn sure, that Okafor/Sarić/Simmons wont work either. (lack of good D)

[Duke4life831]

You guys can take Ingram off your draft board. Lost his starting spot and continues to look horrible. He is getting abused by college players physicality. He is not even close to be ready for the NBA

[Mik317]

You guys can take Ingram off your draft board. Lost his starting spot and continues to look horrible. He is getting abused by college players physicality. He is not even close to be ready for the NBA

but Grayson Allen doe.


but yeah seems like Ingram needs a few more years. This class' Oubre or James Young guy...hyped going in..rawer than expected..probably falls out of lottery.

[Duke4life831]

You guys can take Ingram off your draft board. Lost his starting spot and continues to look horrible. He is getting abused by college players physicality. He is not even close to be ready for the NBA

but Grayson Allen doe.


but yeah seems like Ingram needs a few more years. This class' Oubre or James Young guy...hyped going in..rawer than expected..probably falls out of lottery.

Grayson has been ridiculous. I think he was just pressing in the UK game. He played really dumb and kept on just putting his head down and driving into the heart of the D. The last 2 games, he's been money with pulling up for mid range jumpers, floaters and dump offs to his big men. He's been scary good

[Mik317]

I haven't watched Simmons (for health and sanity reasons) so I don't know. But as for his jumper or lack thereof...

is his form bad or broken? If so, then its a problem..if not, then its something you can work on.

Does he just avoid taking jumpers due to his advantages? If he is bigger, stronger or faster..or all 3 than his defender..why settle right?

and if he does struggle shooting...him and Noel would create a damn good frontcourt regardless. Okafor is nice and all but can be moved if the idea is to open up room for our number 1 pick. You get the first pick..you take the best player and make it work. The first overall pick should be good enough to dictate who stays and goes IMO. Like I said, I haven;t seen much of dude..but if he is that good..who gives a **** about Okafor or Noel or Saric. Young LeBron would have been a poor fit on this team...you still would have taken him.

[phiphan]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

[Duke4life831]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

Ya I think he is starting to look like the next Justin Jackson. Let's hope he doesn't become the next Quincey Miller

[OleSchool]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

It's early but, so far this draft looks very weak

[Duke4life831]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

It's early but, so far this draft looks very weak

Very. Simmons looks like he is the only one that could have the same impact as some of the rookies are having this year. And we are still waiting to see what Simmons looks like against legit college competition

[Embiid P]

You always take talent over fit when you are at the top of the draft. Draft Simmons and then surround him with guys who will fit. Drafting for fit is how the Blazers passed up on Michael Jordan in favor of Sam Bowie.

[Mik317]

Jordan also totally could have fit with Drexler

[Foshan]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

Well, maybe he drops and we can move up one of our later picks and take him. we'd be the perfect place for him to take some time to develop. Let's say he drops to late lotto... combine that Mia/Okc pick plus take on a little dead money would probably get you close.

[CoreyGallagher]

Eventually there will be risers, there always is.

[freshie2]

The key is as much grabbing the K Leonard as it is not missing with the top 5 picks. There will be solid NBA contributors sprinkled throughout...they just have to find them...

[OleSchool]

I'm bummed that Ingram doesn't look ready. I was high on this draft but now I'm getting nervous.

Well, maybe he drops and we can move up one of our later picks and take him. we'd be the perfect place for him to take some time to develop. Let's say he drops to late lotto... combine that Mia/Okc pick plus take on a little dead money would probably get you close.

The problem with taking on dead money is, with the cap rising there will be less and less players that will need to be moved to make space