Game 14: Phoenix Suns (7-6) @ San Antonio Spurs (10-3)

KLEON · Post #241 » by **KLEON** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:00 am

blacksun wrote:Knight is a two guard plain and simple. He was a deer in headlights tonight. You can clearly see he knows he has to dominate with the ball with Bledsoe not here, and it kinda got to him.

R u talking about the former BUCK

Jdiddy701 · Post #242 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:00 am

One thing I do wanna say is that Mirza is actually playing okay. Defense is getting better. That's a relief.

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TeamTragic · Post #243 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:01 am

bwgood77 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I did not watch the second half but it appears the Suns were getting blown out, made a run to get back in the game, and then got blown out again. There were also bad calls apparently which is to be expected when the Suns play the Spurs. Anyway, is 14 games enough of a sample size for you guys to know what kind of team this is? It is for me. .500 team obviously. 7-7. When will the Suns just bite the bullet and start from scratch. The fans are already gone. The team is going nowhere. They do not compete with the good teams in the league. Fans will not be disappointed if Sarver blows up the team and bottoms out with rookies. Go for a top pick. The worst position to be in is 14th pick every single year. There is no shame in starting over.

I think you made this post last night. Sarver is not going to blow up the team and these are mostly young guys anyway (the core group) so you might want to accept that Sarver is just not going to do that. I'm not agreeing that it isn't smart, but draft picks are a crapshoot....2011 draft for example...Kawhi mid first round, Jimmy Butler 30th.

If you really hate this team so much don't watch. Re-watch our good years and make posts about that. I think most people understand where we are...in the third year of a rebuild...ahead of many other teams that started theirs about the same time. Yeah, it sucks to lose, and I'm guessing we will be below 500 in the near future...if we are not I will be happy, but I'm guessing we will be.

What happens after we hit 5 years with the current squad, no star players via FA and continue hovering around .500?

RaisingArizona · Post #244 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:01 am

at the blow it up comments

Post #245 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:04 am

GoranTragic wrote:What happens after we hit 5 years with the current squad, no star players via FA and continue hovering around .500?

A few posters go postal, get on the FBI's most wanted, and we continue to hope that things turn around.

TeamTragic · Post #246 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:06 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:What happens after we hit 5 years with the current squad, no star players via FA and continue hovering around .500?

A few posters go postal, get on the FBI's most wanted, and we continue to hope that things turn around.

Are you content with the above happening bwgood77?

SunsRback4Good · Post #247 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:10 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:What happens after we hit 5 years with the current squad, no star players via FA and continue hovering around .500?

A few posters go postal, get on the FBI's most wanted, and we continue to hope that things turn around.

As a mod it is your duty to not allow that.

SunsRback4Good · Post #248 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:12 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:One thing I do wanna say is that Mirza is actually playing okay. Defense is getting better. That's a relief.

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Im just going to say one thing. You can get mad at me buto it needs to be said.

TELLYGONNATELLY!!!

I await your response.

Funky Tut · Post #249 » by **Funky Tut** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:13 am

bottom line is this team is so inconsistent. You will not go far as a club being inconsistent...

Oh well, hello .500 season and no playoffs and a 12-15 pick.

Saberestar · Post #250 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:15 am

Right now, being a .0500 team with 7W - 7L we are seventh in the West. We have a goal, and it is to be a playoff team this year, gain experience and in another year or two to be a contender. That is just the plan.

Cutter · Post #251 » by **Cutter** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:16 am

To be realistic, the Spurs played scary good perimeter defense tonight. That, and turnovers, killed us tonight. Last night against the Pelicans the Suns attempted 36 three point shots. Tonight we attempted only 19 three point shots. Spurs held us to half the three point attempts as the Pelicans. Maybe Bledsoe would have made a big difference, probably not enough for us to win.

Two tough games on the road, on back to back nights are hard to win. Keep fighting, Go Suns.

letsgosuns · Post #252 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:18 am

I guess I am just looking at the overall big picture.

1. Hornacek is barely playing Len and Goodwin at all. Goodwin had those two good games when he got real playing time of 29 and 25 minutes. Since then he has played a total of 17 minutes in four games. I am not going to pretend I know why. It does not matter. I am not the coach.

2. The Suns are playing Tucker huge minutes. He is blocking other players' development. All he does is hustle but he has virtually no talent. Everyone says he is so important to the team and I just laugh. Important to what team? A lottery team every year? C'mon.

3. The Suns are still going forward with an undersized dual point guard lineup. Are they playing well this year? Absolutely. Do I think it is a championship caliber foundation? No.

4. Markieff is still on the team. No need to explain on this one.

5. Are any of the Suns young players capable of superstardom? Who knows. But so many people on here are willing to give up virtually the entire team for DeMarcus Cousins, so how high on these young players can you truly be. Obviously not that high when I see trade suggestions of Len, Goodwin, Markieff, Warren, and two first round picks for Cousins. So honestly, if that is how some of you feel, why would you expect me to buy the "this Suns team is loaded with youth" line. You guys are willing to trade anyone in a split second for a superstar.

Post #253 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:19 am

GoranTragic wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:What happens after we hit 5 years with the current squad, no star players via FA and continue hovering around .500?

A few posters go postal, get on the FBI's most wanted, and we continue to hope that things turn around.

Are you content with the above happening bwgood77?

Of course not, but I may be much higher and hopeful on Warren, Booker and Len than some I suppose. I hope Booker and Warren become our big two, and then we have Bledsoe and Knight as well to be good as well. I didn't expect to beat the Spurs though. Especially without Bledsoe.

sunskerr · Post #254 » by **sunskerr** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:23 am

I agree with Knight being a shooting guard through and through.

We have a young back court and some young supporting cast members who've all shown signs of life. There's no real reason to panic. We're where we should be, at .500. Yes, there are things that we wish would happen, such as Markieff gone and expanding the role of Devin/Archie/TJ/Alex, but that doesn't equate to "we are horrible".

Some people might need to back away from the forums for a few days to calm down before posting their opinions. But hey, that's just like my opinion, man.

Post #255 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:24 am

Funky Tut wrote:bottom line is this team is so inconsistent. You will not go far as a club being inconsistent...

Oh well, hello .500 season and no playoffs and a 12-15 pick.

To me, I enjoy watching this team, and this team has shown me some nice things and some nice fight this year. Also, I'd love to make the playoffs, and for me, I actually would probably be almost as happy missing the playoffs and getting another lottery pick as opposed to getting swept by the Warriors in the first round. I don't have super high expectations for this team, so right now, I don't feel so bad. I kind of expect us to be a few games under 500 after the next 8 games, so if/when that happens, it won't change how I feel. If we do better than that, and remain 500 at that point, I will feel pretty good about where we are at that point.

The thing is, we did blow it up and got rid of our entire team except for a couple players since McD came on, and replaced them with youth.

Post #256 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:24 am

Funky Tut wrote:bottom line is this team is so inconsistent. You will not go far as a club being inconsistent...

Oh well, hello .500 season and no playoffs and a 12-15 pick.

To me, I enjoy watching this team, and this team has shown me some nice things and some nice fight this year. Also, I'd love to make the playoffs, and for me, I actually would probably be almost as happy missing the playoffs and getting another lottery pick as opposed to getting swept by the Warriors in the first round. I don't have super high expectations for this team, so right now, I don't feel so bad. I kind of expect us to be a few games under 500 after the next 8 games, so if/when that happens, it won't change how I feel. If we do better than that, and remain 500 at that point, I will feel pretty good about where we are at that point.

The thing is, we did blow it up and got rid of our entire team except for a couple players since McD came on, and replaced them with youth.

TeamTragic · Post #257 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:30 am

letsgosuns wrote:I guess I am just looking at the overall big picture.

1. Hornacek is barely playing Len and Goodwin at all. Goodwin had those two good games when he got real playing time of 29 and 25 minutes. Since then he has played a total of 17 minutes in four games. I am not going to pretend I know why. It does not matter. I am not the coach.

2. The Suns are playing Tucker huge minutes. He is blocking other players' development. All he does is hustle but he has virtually no talent. Everyone says he is so important to the team and I just laugh. Important to what team? A lottery team every year? C'mon.

3. The Suns are still going forward with an undersized dual point guard lineup. Are they playing well this year? Absolutely. Do I think it is a championship caliber foundation? No.

4. Markieff is still on the team. No need to explain on this one.

5. Are any of the Suns young players capable of superstardom? Who knows. But so many people on here are willing to give up virtually the entire team for DeMarcus Cousins, so how high on these young players can you truly be. Obviously not that high when I see trade suggestions of Len, Goodwin, Markieff, Warren, and two first round picks for Cousins. So honestly, if that is how some of you feel, why would you expect me to buy the "this Suns team is loaded with youth" line. You guys are willing to trade anyone in a split second for a superstar.

I really don't understand the infatuation with Tucker and we play better without Kieff. Both are expendable players and to be honest you can add Hornacek to that list.

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Funky Tut · Post #258 » by **Funky Tut** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:33 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Funky Tut wrote:bottom line is this team is so inconsistent. You will not go far as a club being inconsistent...

Oh well, hello .500 season and no playoffs and a 12-15 pick.

To me, I enjoy watching this team, and this team has shown me some nice things and some nice fight this year. Also, I'd love to make the playoffs, and for me, I actually would probably be almost as happy missing the playoffs and getting another lottery pick as opposed to getting swept by the Warriors in the first round. I don't have super high expectations for this team, so right now, I don't feel so bad. I kind of expect us to be a few games under 500 after the next 8 games, so if/when that happens, it won't change how I feel. If we do better than that, and remain 500 at that point, I will feel pretty good about where we are at that point.

The thing is, we did blow it up and got rid of our entire team except for a couple players since McD came on, and replaced them with youth.

The 12-15th picks in the NBA are just so "meh". There is a chance (although rare) that you could catch lightening in a bottle but most likely not. I just have not been excited about this team for a long time and I wish that could change.

Post #259 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:34 am

letsgosuns wrote:I guess I am just looking at the overall big picture.

1. Hornacek is barely playing Len and Goodwin at all. Goodwin had those two good games when he got real playing time of 29 and 25 minutes. Since then he has played a total of 17 minutes in four games. I am not going to pretend I know why. It does not matter. I am not the coach.

2. The Suns are playing Tucker huge minutes. He is blocking other players' development. All he does is hustle but he has virtually no talent. Everyone says he is so important to the team and I just laugh. Important to what team? A lottery team every year? C'mon.

3. The Suns are still going forward with an undersized dual point guard lineup. Are they playing well this year? Absolutely. Do I think it is a championship caliber foundation? No.

4. Markieff is still on the team. No need to explain on this one.

5. Are any of the Suns young players capable of superstardom? Who knows. But so many people on here are willing to give up virtually the entire team for DeMarcus Cousins, so how high on these young players can you truly be. Obviously not that high when I see trade suggestions of Len, Goodwin, Markieff, Warren, and two first round picks for Cousins. So honestly, if that is how some of you feel, why would you expect me to buy the "this Suns team is loaded with youth" line. You guys are willing to trade anyone in a split second for a superstar.

Goodwin is not playing because he simply isn't an nba caliber player, particularly for a contender. If you are saying Bledsoe and Knight can't be part of one, how the hell do you think Archie can be? PJ absolutely could be. If you want us to really suck, which I guess is what you are suggesting, perhaps we should bench PJ, but our owner wants us to make the playoffs with who we have. You can't tell me Goodwin gives us a better chance than Tucker does.

I accept the fact that the owner is all about competing, and that is how the Suns have ALWAYS operated, and if free agents don't choose to sign with us, there isn't much we can do about that. We seem to have made some pretty good efforts though. Booker and Warren are playing quite a bit, which is encouraging and it seems like it should be to those who want to blow it up and go young. But then we play them and don't win, people complain that we are only a 500 team. Do you think anyone really likes being a 500 team? No, none of us do. But other teams have had FAR worse and longer stretches than we have right now. That doesn't make it excusable, but the biggest thing that set us back was Sarver replacing Amare with Warrick, Turk and Childress, and then later getting Beasley and drafting Marshall.

Since then, we have simply been collecting assets and young players (Len, Knight, Bledsoe, Warren, Booker and Goodwin if you consider him an asset). Telly and Leuer seem to have been nice players to sign for the price too...they make nothing (in the nba world).

Post #260 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:35 am

sunskerr wrote:I agree with Knight being a shooting guard through and through.

We have a young back court and some young supporting cast members who've all shown signs of life. There's no real reason to panic. We're where we should be, at .500. Yes, there are things that we wish would happen, such as Markieff gone and expanding the role of Devin/Archie/TJ/Alex, but that doesn't equate to "we are horrible".

Some people might need to back away from the forums for a few days to calm down before posting their opinions. But hey, that's just like my opinion, man.

Luckily, some already have.