What's Phillies outlook if they get Ben Simmons?

[samfisher83]

So they would have 4 pf/c? What would you do with okafor?

[eagereyez]

Man why even talk about landing Simmons. Even if PHI ends up with the worst record there's still a chance they land outside the top 3. How awful would it be if they landed the 4th pick and the Lakers ended up with the 1st.

[Domejandro]

Are you a doctor?

Because Joel's doctor says his outlook is great. Wondering why you think otherwise.

I am not a physician, no, but I do have a PHD in deductive-reasoning. I'll filter myself on the rest of the snark, but I do not see why I should simply accept a report out of Philadelphia to be objective about his healing process, especially given how massive the setback was. I will believe it once I see it, but the outlook, in all objectivity, is not good.

No one is saying you accept it. But the counter is that you instead seem convinced by nothing but your own unsupported opinion. If you're not going to accept the news report, which again is fine, you'd think you just have no opinion and wait and see. But I understand that wouldn't fit your narrative.

I have to say it bluntly, the defensiveness is astonishing given that my take was relatively objective.

In addition, the outlook on Joel Embiid's foot is not good, he is too unreliable to bank on for the future.

Read it, and then read it again. Then, just to make sure, read it one last time. I will break it down.

he is too unreliable to bank on for the future.

too unreliable to bank on

If you guys are convinced that his foot will be fine due to Philadelphia news outlets, then I need to tell you guys about my property in Sante Fe. Sure it is hot, but don't worry, the property is beach-front!

To put it in less condescending terms, given that Joel Embiid has missed two seasons due to a fractured navicular bone (an injury I personally sustained on October first of last year and have to get surgery on on the fourth of December, over fourteen months later!), I am highly, highly doubtful of him making a long-term stay in the NBA.

As a side-note, the "you're all out to get us" mentality is silly, there are legitimate criticisms as well as illegitimate criticisms; all because the later exists does not render the former nonexistent. It is perfectly reasonable to disagree with the criticisms that are thrown out, as many can very well be invalid, but painting every comment one makes in debate as being immediately agenda-driven is a very poor tactic for getting people to consider your point-of-view.

[FrontPageNews]

They better play him at PF because he can't shoot

[BullyKing]

I am not a physician, no, but I do have a PHD in deductive-reasoning. I'll filter myself on the rest of the snark, but I do not see why I should simply accept a report out of Philadelphia to be objective about his healing process, especially given how massive the setback was. I will believe it once I see it, but the outlook, in all objectivity, is not good.

No one is saying you accept it. But the counter is that you instead seem convinced by nothing but your own unsupported opinion. If you're not going to accept the news report, which again is fine, you'd think you just have no opinion and wait and see. But I understand that wouldn't fit your narrative.

I have to say it bluntly, the defensiveness is astonishing given that my take was relatively objective.

In addition, the outlook on Joel Embiid's foot is not good, he is too unreliable to bank on for the future.

Read it, and then read it again. Then, just to make sure, read it one last time. I will break it down.

he is too unreliable to bank on for the future.

too unreliable to bank on

If you guys are convinced that his foot will be fine due to Philadelphia news outlets, then I need to tell you guys about my property in Sante Fe. Sure it is hot, but don't worry, the property is beach-front!

To put it in less condescending terms, given that Joel Embiid has missed two seasons due to a fractured navicular bone (an injury I personally sustained on October first of last year and have to get surgery on on the fourth of December, over fourteen months later!), I am highly, highly doubtful of him making a long-term stay in the NBA.

As a side-note, the "you're all out to get us" mentality is silly, there are legitimate criticisms as well as illegitimate criticisms; all because the later exists does not render the former nonexistent. It is perfectly reasonable to disagree with the criticisms that are thrown out, as many can very well be invalid, but painting every comment one makes in debate as being immediately agenda-driven is a very poor tactic for getting people to consider your point-of-view.

Too unreliable to bank on is fine. Saying the outlook on his foot is not good connotes a conclusion supported by basis. That is what people object to and for which you have no explanation.

[Ferulci]

- I dont see why he should be a PF. He has the speed and handles for the SF position and could create huge mismatches (like KD and Lebron did)
- For the shooting, let's wait a little more. We can be sure that he wont be Kyle Korver this year but nothing says that he'll shoot like Tony Allen.
- To answer the question, it's very hard to predict what they would do. In my opinion they would keep the team more or less the same for one more year to see if BS is really a transcendent superstar and give a chance to see how Noel/Saric/Embiid/Okafor fit together. After that, trade to build around the superstar (if it's Embiid, bye Okafor. If it's Okafor, bye Noel. If it's Simmons, I guess bye Okafor/Embiid.)

[Unbreakable99]

The 6ers have an organizational problem. In other words, same ole same ole

There is no organizational problem with the Sixers. We are much better than previous years.

[Patsfan1081]

Simmons is the first pick of the draft, but I'm not sold on him being levels above guys like Murray, Ellison, and Skal. That being said, even with Simmons they have a long way to go to contention.

[Winter]

Even if they get #1 and #4 picks in 2016, they still looking at play off in 2020 the quickest in MHO. They seems try to find a corporation cornerstone through draft stage first. By looking at they draft MCW and traded him for more picks. And by just drafting infinite big man best available in the draft position.

I have not see any indication to they have any training on any of the young players. And at this moment, seems like at least one of Noel or Okafor is no longer in main core. not sure any of current players will be, it usually took few years to see how players train themselves, go through good time and bad time to see if a player has it takes. By that time, most of current players are in the end of their rookie contract, and need to think really hard on their own future, and they went through the dark age for years, will they willing to wait, and knowing they may not be the 1st option in the team? If not, they just leave this team for good. If that happens, it just be Orlando team loss Shaq and Howard.

I got they try to build the team from bottom, then maybe get hope, and get a little bit off peak or on the peak star to joint the team. But you do need to develop them at certain point. And sometimes, you may get talent that out of the whole generation that can immediately see, but usually, these players need time to improve what they have best and correct what they are bad at. If you don't have training program set up, basically, you just say all the current drafted players are not worth it. And there is no Guarantee Ben Simmons can be worth it.

Not closely pay any attention to this team, maybe they do have a good big man coach there already. But players may all have flaw, just depends on if you can get players to best suit for them to work together, the less flaw you need to cover, or the easy compliment player you can find, the better, but you can still field good team without an once in a generation player. And without field team, you just always look at player from their own ability instead of them try to led a team.

[DrCoach]

Man why even talk about landing Simmons. Even if PHI ends up with the worst record there's still a chance they land outside the top 3. How awful would it be if they landed the 4th pick and the Lakers ended up with the 1st.

Because the have the best chance of getting him, he is the best player in college and he plays a position of need?

[DrCoach]

So they would have 4 pf/c? What would you do with okafor?

There are 96 minutes at that position,

[ReasonablySober]

If and when the Sixers decide to worry about fit, there's a long list of teams that gladly offer nice packages for Noel, Okafor, Saric or Embiid.

[sam-hinkie]

It's the sixers so the discussion won't be productive look at how the narrative changed with okafor once he became a sixer now all of a sudden it's a bad pick cause of advanced stats the NBA better pray we don't get Simmons plus the la pick


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[Higga]

I'm not sold on Simmons being an instant savior type.

[Ballerhogger]

Oakfor and simmons. So lottery?

[Manute Lol]

It's the sixers so the discussion won't be productive look at how the narrative changed with okafor once he became a sixer now all of a sudden it's a bad pick cause of advanced stats the NBA better pray we don't get Simmons plus the la pick

You consider things like TS%, TRB% and TOV% "advanced stats", eh?

[IggyStardust]

One of my biggest issues so far in Philadelphia's rebuild has been their disregard how pieces fit together, and this would continue that trend. Though the individual players are terrific, the spacing of that team is just brutal at almost every position (other than Robert Covington and the streaky Canaan). In the hypothetical of Ben Simmons joining the team, I think Nerlens Noel would become completely ineffective.

In addition, the outlook on Joel Embiid's foot is not good, he is too unreliable to bank on for the future.

I personally am not a major fan of Dario Šarić, but that is just an opinion of course.

So the way I see it, Jahlil Okafor and Ben Simmons would make two great building blocks, and Robert Covington could definitely be a fourth to fifth starter, but they are going to need another year (at least) of tanking to properly piece things together. I am concerned about a long term cycle that could formulate.

That said, if they get that Lakers pick at four, they could potentially be set in the long run after the aforementioned one year; I feel a lot banks in that pick panning out.

I know that was brutally negative, but I don't think it is just a "get Simmons and watch the Championships roll in"-type situation, it will take more than that.

Are you a doctor?

Because Joel's doctor says his outlook is great. Wondering why you think otherwise.

I am not a physician, no, but I do have a PHD in deductive-reasoning. I'll filter myself on the rest of the snark, but I do not see why I should simply accept a report out of Philadelphia to be objective about his healing process, especially given how massive the setback was. I will believe it once I see it, but the outlook, in all objectivity, is not good.

abductive reasoning

[Domejandro]

Are you a doctor?

Because Joel's doctor says his outlook is great. Wondering why you think otherwise.

I am not a physician, no, but I do have a PHD in deductive-reasoning. I'll filter myself on the rest of the snark, but I do not see why I should simply accept a report out of Philadelphia to be objective about his healing process, especially given how massive the setback was. I will believe it once I see it, but the outlook, in all objectivity, is not good.

abductive reasoning

Dang, you're right. I didn't sleep last night, so my smart-ass remarks aren't up to par, haha.

[Jables]

If he ends up a PF they might trade Okafor, but if they've been this patient so far they may as well give it a year two to see who doesn't gel well with who and how Saric and Simmons project. Simmons, Okafor, Noel, Embiid, Saric, FA, package one or two in deals for decent guards, if they get Simmons the tank may finally end. Which will make it all the more hilarious when they get pick 4.

[Dan Z]

If they get Simmons I think they should try to trade for a guard or sign a few veterans (or both).

Would Atlanta trade Schroder? If so, what would Philly give up? Picks? Something else?