andyhop wrote:trex_8063 wrote:
I'm fuzzy on how to interpret the FFAPM data. Is his Reb rating of 42 bad? I get the gist of the "Four Factors", but I don't quite understand what those numbers are telling me (and his defensive FFAPM is still good---though not elite).
However, the data on bbref is again at odds with your above claim that Jordan had a NEGATIVE impact on his team's defensive rebounding last year:
'15 Clips DREB% with Jordan on court: 76.2%
'15 Clips DREB% with Jordan off court: 74.7%
The 42 is his defensive rebounding FF score which they then convert into percentile rankings.
OK, so the 42 means 42nd percentile (like better than 42% of league, worse than 58%), is that correct?
andyhop wrote:Your on court/off court numbers don't show that Jordan didn't have negative impact on the Clippers defensive rebounding they show that the team got a higher percentage of defensive rebounds when he was on court than when he was off court which isn't the same thing.
I'm having a hard time reconciling this statement. From a defensive rebounding standpoint, the goal is to obtain the defensive rebound/prevent the opposing team from getting the offensive rebound. So getting a higher % of the defensive rebounds is, in essence, "doing better" on the defensive boards.
Thus, the way I'm interpreting your above statement is: Jordan has a negative impact on their defensive rebounding, but their defensive rebounding is better when he's on the court.
These assertions seem at odds with each other.
Now it could be that the rebounding rates of his four teammates on the court go down when he steps on to the court (i.e. his rebounds are coming mostly at the expense of his teammates). That is often the case of many (if not most) high-volume rebounders, I should think. Perhaps more so with Jordan than with others, idk.
But still, if he's grabbing so many boards as an individual (even if many of them are at the expense of his teammates) that the team defensive rebounding rate goes up, I don't understand how that can be labeled a net negative impact on their defensive rebounding.
It could be that if he was blocking out instead of "chasing" boards, that the TEAM defensive rebounding rate would be even better (even if his
individual defensive rebounding rate was a little worse) when he's on the court; but that's not the same thing as having a negative impact.
So I'm still kinda confused by your above statement. Perhaps you could elaborate for me.
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