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Post #381 » by **fatlever** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:02 am

Raps playing well with Biz starting. Two big wins this week. Glad to see him making a difference for them. I just can't bring myself to root against him just because we didnt resign him and just because I was completely OK with us going in a different direction. Biz was my favorite Hornet because he's just a great dude. Go kick some ass Biz. Oh, and I picked him up in my other fantasy league. Was dying for some rebounds and blocks.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #382 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:11 pm

I find myself rooting for Biz too. The interesting thing to me last night was the lack of blocks. I'm willing to bet that off the bench he was told to bring energy and protect the rim, but that as a starter he's trying to play more within their system.

Post #383 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:03 am

The Warriors - and especially Curry - went NUTS against the Suns in the 1st half of their game tonight.

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amcoolio · Post #384 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:03 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I find myself rooting for Biz too. The interesting thing to me last night was the lack of blocks. I'm willing to bet that off the bench he was told to bring energy and protect the rim, but that as a starter he's trying to play more within their system.

He hasn't blocked many shots at all this season. Been rebounding well, but also fouling a lot as well.

Roy Tarpley · Post #385 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:41 pm

Eastern Conference better than expected

Charlotte
NYK
Orlando

Worse than Expected

Milwaukee - I never understood why people thought the Bucks were good
Washington - Overrated team, including John Wall

Post #386 » by **fatlever** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:12 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:Eastern Conference better than expected

Charlotte
NYK
Orlando

Worse than Expected

Milwaukee - I never understood why people thought the Bucks were good
Washington - Overrated team, including John Wall

Would you put the Pacers in the better than expected group? They look like they could finish top 4-5. At the beginning of the year I'd have put them in the group with us fighting for the 8th seed. I think the Pacers have the look of a team that has separated themselves from the dogfight pack and joined the playoff lock group.

My Early Power Rankings
1. Cavs
2. Heat
3. Bulls
4. Hawks
5. Pacers
6. Raptors

Dogfight
Hornets, Celtics, Pistons, Magic, Bucks, Wizards, Knicks

14. Nets
15. Sixers

Roy Tarpley · Post #387 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:23 pm

You're probably right. I think the Pacers are slightly better than I thought they'd be.

Liver_Pooty · Post #388 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:00 pm

I don't know how Sam Hinkie still has a job.

Mystical Apples · Post #389 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:06 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I don't know how Sam Hinkie still has a job.

LP you're not trusting the process.

SWedd523 · Post #390 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:13 pm

That bucks team really made a mistake sending Knight out for MCW. I really like the talent they have on that team but I'd be much more excited if they had Knight moving forward. He's been making those Kemba vs Knight comparisons look bad in the past year or so.

TinmanZBoy · Post #391 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:54 pm

SWedd523 wrote:That bucks team really made a mistake sending Knight out for MCW. I really like the talent they have on that team but I'd be much more excited if they had Knight moving forward. He's been making those Kemba vs Knight comparisons look bad in the past year or so.

but with MCW, their defense was scary good last season, I was really high on them before the season (top 4 in east)... all their starters are freaking long athletes, young and talented... I have not watched a single game of them this year though, dont know what's wrong with them...i certainly wont write them off...

Mystical Apples · Post #392 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:13 pm

SWedd523 wrote:That bucks team really made a mistake sending Knight out for MCW. I really like the talent they have on that team but I'd be much more excited if they had Knight moving forward. He's been making those Kemba vs Knight comparisons look bad in the past year or so.

I do wonder if they would still make that trade. They knew it would make them temporarily worse but I doubt this much. It was all about salary cap management to resign their players while keeping cap space for FA this summer and beyond. Had they kept Knight signing Monroe would've been off the table and IMO it was sound logic.

They were a playoff team last year but the FO has been building for the future, not the present. From an asset collection standpoint the question is the value of MCW + Monroe vs the value of Knight. Either way it's a near certainty they make a trade during the season for a couple floor spacers.

SWedd523 · Post #393 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:49 pm

Not signing Monroe is addition by subtraction in my eyes. One of you advanced stats guys should look it up but going by the eye test id say they're a net negative with him on the floor. You have to gameplan around his inability to defend and he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with the athletes on that team

Mystical Apples · Post #394 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:51 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Not signing Monroe is addition by subtraction in my eyes. One of you advanced stats guys should look it up but going by the eye test id say they're a net negative with him on the floor. You have to gameplan around his inability to defend and he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with the athletes on that team

They're about +14 when he plays vs not playing but whether or not they are +14 or -14 with Monroe is probably less important than the long-term big picture. They have to feel great about their cap situation and young tradeable assets locked into longer deals. I view them in the same camp as building teams like Utah, Portland, Philly, Orlando etc...so competing for a playoff spot now is nice but they've been angling for awhile to build for FA the next 2 summers.

It's inevitable though they make a trade sometime soon for shooting and passing. Actually, Charlotte would be a good trade partner or at least a viable candidate in three team deal. Combining the 2 rosters would result in 2, 50+ win teams.

TinmanZBoy · Post #395 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:53 pm

the Monroe signing has not paid off... but MCW trade is not a bad move, I don't think Kidd or people in the league see Knight as a true PG, more a undersized combo guard... Kidd see a lot of himself in MCW...

Braggins · Post #396 » by **Braggins** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:53 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Not signing Monroe is addition by subtraction in my eyes. One of you advanced stats guys should look it up but going by the eye test id say they're a net negative with him on the floor. You have to gameplan around his inability to defend and he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with the athletes on that team

They're about +14 when he plays vs not playing but whether or not they are +14 or -14 with Monroe is probably less important than the long-term big picture. They have to feel great about their cap situation and young tradeable assets locked into longer deals. I view them in the same camp as building teams like Utah, Portland, Philly, Orlando etc...so competing for a playoff spot now is nice but they've been angling for awhile to build for FA the next 2 summers.

It's inevitable though they make a trade sometime soon for shooting and passing. Actually, Charlotte would be a good trade partner or at least a viable candidate in three team deal. Combining the 2 rosters would result in 2, 50+ win teams.

Which of their players did you have in mind for us?

TinmanZBoy · Post #397 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:55 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Not signing Monroe is addition by subtraction in my eyes. One of you advanced stats guys should look it up but going by the eye test id say they're a net negative with him on the floor. You have to gameplan around his inability to defend and he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with the athletes on that team

They're about +14 when he plays vs not playing but whether or not they are +14 or -14 with Monroe is probably less important than the long-term big picture. They have to feel great about their cap situation and young tradeable assets locked into longer deals. I view them in the same camp as building teams like Utah, Portland, Philly, Orlando etc...so competing for a playoff spot now is nice but they've been angling for awhile to build for FA the next 2 summers.

It's inevitable though they make a trade sometime soon for shooting and passing. Actually, Charlotte would be a good trade partner or at least a viable candidate in three team deal. Combining the 2 rosters would result in 2, 50+ win teams.

interesting, how would you do it?

Mystical Apples · Post #398 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:07 pm

Braggins wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Not signing Monroe is addition by subtraction in my eyes. One of you advanced stats guys should look it up but going by the eye test id say they're a net negative with him on the floor. You have to gameplan around his inability to defend and he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with the athletes on that team

They're about +14 when he plays vs not playing but whether or not they are +14 or -14 with Monroe is probably less important than the long-term big picture. They have to feel great about their cap situation and young tradeable assets locked into longer deals. I view them in the same camp as building teams like Utah, Portland, Philly, Orlando etc...so competing for a playoff spot now is nice but they've been angling for awhile to build for FA the next 2 summers.

It's inevitable though they make a trade sometime soon for shooting and passing. Actually, Charlotte would be a good trade partner or at least a viable candidate in three team deal. Combining the 2 rosters would result in 2, 50+ win teams.

Which of their players did you have in mind for us?

Hadn't put a ton of thought into it but they are mirrors of each other without MKG playing. Was only thinking about taking both rosters and having a 2 team draft.

But on a individual trade level Charlotte would drool over the idea of a Henson/Kaminsky front court for the next 4 years. Henson is a really bad fit with the current Milwaukee roster. MCW as a backup PG wrecking things on defense (not playing with MKG) is more suited for his talents. He's actually been OK this year from 3 (33%) and fits Cho's mold of long inter-changeable parts defensively. MCW, Lamb, and Batum have very complimentary second unit skillsets.

Braggins · Post #399 » by **Braggins** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:48 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
Braggins wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
They're about +14 when he plays vs not playing but whether or not they are +14 or -14 with Monroe is probably less important than the long-term big picture. They have to feel great about their cap situation and young tradeable assets locked into longer deals. I view them in the same camp as building teams like Utah, Portland, Philly, Orlando etc...so competing for a playoff spot now is nice but they've been angling for awhile to build for FA the next 2 summers.

It's inevitable though they make a trade sometime soon for shooting and passing. Actually, Charlotte would be a good trade partner or at least a viable candidate in three team deal. Combining the 2 rosters would result in 2, 50+ win teams.

Which of their players did you have in mind for us?

Hadn't put a ton of thought into it but they are mirrors of each other without MKG playing. Was only thinking about taking both rosters and having a 2 team draft.

But on a individual trade level Charlotte would drool over the idea of a Henson/Kaminsky front court for the next 4 years. Henson is a really bad fit with the current Milwaukee roster. MCW as a backup PG wrecking things on defense (not playing with MKG) is more suited for his talents. He's actually been OK this year from 3 (33%) and fits Cho's mold of long inter-changeable parts defensively. MCW, Lamb, and Batum have very complimentary second unit skillsets.

Henson seems nice. I've also always been intrigued by OJ Mayo for us. Mayo could fill in as our starting SG until MKG comes back and then afterwards really solidify our bench. I wonder how available Mayo is at this point. Henson could probably be had for a reasonable price as it doesn't seem they really play him much. Getting both of them in a package could be pretty sweet.

Mystical Apples · Post #400 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:52 am

Braggins wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
Braggins wrote:Which of their players did you have in mind for us?

Hadn't put a ton of thought into it but they are mirrors of each other without MKG playing. Was only thinking about taking both rosters and having a 2 team draft.

But on a individual trade level Charlotte would drool over the idea of a Henson/Kaminsky front court for the next 4 years. Henson is a really bad fit with the current Milwaukee roster. MCW as a backup PG wrecking things on defense (not playing with MKG) is more suited for his talents. He's actually been OK this year from 3 (33%) and fits Cho's mold of long inter-changeable parts defensively. MCW, Lamb, and Batum have very complimentary second unit skillsets.

Henson seems nice. I've also always been intrigued by OJ Mayo for us. Mayo could fill in as our starting SG until MKG comes back and then afterwards really solidify our bench. I wonder how available Mayo is at this point. Henson could probably be had for a reasonable price as it doesn't seem they really play him much. Getting both of them in a package could be pretty sweet.

Majo I'm sure is totally obtainable he's on an expiring. Problem though is Milwaukee needs shooters and he's one of the couple they have. They're so hard up for shooting Bayless is getting 30 minutes a game. Any deal for Majo they would want shooters in return.

Lin + Hawes + Marvin and a 1st for Majo, MCW, and Henson. It may sound funny but they'd surely be interested in Hawes who would be valuable as a backup to space things for Giannis and Parker.

PG - Kemba, MCW
Wings: Batum, Lamb, MKG, Majo if he resigned
Bigs: Henson, Frank, Cody

If Batum signs that's still a young team all under long term deals and cap space to pursue a FA. MKG is going to get heavy run as a PF with Frank next year so he might be a "big"