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Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8)

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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#261 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:02 am

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1UPZ wrote:Suns should move Warren to the starting lineup now.... trade Morris....maybe Tucker too.

Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#262 » by PackSuns » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:03 am

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1UPZ wrote:Suns should move Warren to the starting lineup now.... trade Morris....maybe Tucker too.

Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:


If this becomes the norm then it doesn't matter who starts. However, this has not been the norm and this is the most TJ has played. He needs to be on the court.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#263 » by Qwigglez » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:05 am

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWfy1-Y3p4Q[/youtube]
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#264 » by batsmasher » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:06 am

Nothing like a Warriors game to bring out the droners.

It's a shame the crowd had so much Dubs support, but after watching them royally wang the Suns I spose you can't blame em.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#265 » by Qwigglez » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:07 am

1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns should move Warren to the starting lineup now.... trade Morris....maybe Tucker too.

Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.


You normally want your best players on the court to set the tone early. You don't see the Warriors rolling out with Ian Clark & LB to start do you?
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#266 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:11 am

Qwigglez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.


You normally want your best players on the court to set the tone early. You don't see the Warriors rolling out with Ian Clark & LB to start do you?

Obviously we need to start Warren and he has to play more than 30 minutes per game. I have said that for weeks...he is our best player after Bledsoe, better than Knight, Markieff or whoever. Just put the guy on the **** floor.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#267 » by GMATCallahan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:59 am

1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns should move Warren to the starting lineup now.... trade Morris....maybe Tucker too.

Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.



... not sure about the part in bold. Warren's jumper has clearly improved, but he is not a "shooter" per se and teams will still help off him often enough. Warren, however, knows how to make them pay through the lost of art of cutting and movement.

Tucker is clearly a backup-level player, and Warren will be starting for Phoenix sooner or later. Tucker "puts up the effort," though. He just lacks the athleticism and the skill level.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#268 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:25 am

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1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.



... not sure about the part in bold. Warren's jumper has clearly improved, but he is not a "shooter" per se and teams will still help off him often enough. Warren, however, knows how to make them pay through the lost of art of cutting and movement.

Tucker is clearly a backup-level player, and Warren will be starting for Phoenix sooner or later. Tucker "puts up the effort," though. He just lacks the athleticism and the skill level.

I think it's not about being a shooter, it's more about being an scorer off the ball. When you defend a player that is a good scorer with the ball and even better without the ball you can not make help defense or stay away of your man...that is what people do when defend Tucker.

I really like MotherTucker, but he is better coming of the bench like an energy/defense guy and playing 20 minutes per game. Not more than that.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#269 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:05 pm

If Suns can get Barnes in the off season i would run Warren and Barnes as the forwards...

Hence you have 4 players who can score the ball next to Chandler. Itll be closer to how Warriors run their offense.

Warren has also shown improvement in his 3pt shot... Im surprised he has done that so quickly.
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Post#270 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:24 pm

1UPZ wrote:If Suns can get Barnes in the off season i would run Warren and Barnes as the forwards...

Hence you have 4 players who can score the ball next to Chandler. Itll be closer to how Warriors run their offense.

Warren has also shown improvement in his 3pt shot... Im surprised he has done that so quickly.

That would be great. Unfortunately GSW is gonna match every offer for Barnes....they are one of the best teamns in the history of the game.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#271 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:31 pm

FA forwards who can play small ball PF...
- Durant
- Parsons
- Barnes

Others might be possible through trades this season.
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Post#272 » by NavLDO » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:55 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I hope we trade PJ Tucker with Kieff for Nene just so we can have some more cap room next summer. I want Warren to start. We'd have three guys who can all average over 20 points a game in the starting lineup. Hell, the wizards don't even need to give us a pick, actually we can make it more fair for the Suns by giving them Weems for Dudley also.


It's not as if Morris uses his 2" or 15 lbs he has on Warren...but with a virtually identical wingspan and 2" less reach--but with 4" advantage in max Vert, that 2" means jack. Point being, yeah, I'm spoutin' off draft measurements blah, blah, blah, but it's about the attitude, willingness to mix it up, and dare I say it, talent? Warren doesn't need to be 4" taller--he's the same height as guys like Millsap (maybe 20lbs lighter, but still).

Right now, it just seems like this team has an identity problem. Horny just needs to find the right mix--we have a lot of talent at the 1,2,3, and apparently, getting shafted at the 4 and 5? What the heck happened to Chandler and Len this season? These were the two I was looking most forward to.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#273 » by bwgood77 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:26 pm

NavLDO wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I hope we trade PJ Tucker with Kieff for Nene just so we can have some more cap room next summer. I want Warren to start. We'd have three guys who can all average over 20 points a game in the starting lineup. Hell, the wizards don't even need to give us a pick, actually we can make it more fair for the Suns by giving them Weems for Dudley also.


It's not as if Morris uses his 2" or 15 lbs he has on Warren...but with a virtually identical wingspan and 2" less reach--but with 4" advantage in max Vert, that 2" means jack. Point being, yeah, I'm spoutin' off draft measurements blah, blah, blah, but it's about the attitude, willingness to mix it up, and dare I say it, talent? Warren doesn't need to be 4" taller--he's the same height as guys like Millsap (maybe 20lbs lighter, but still).

Right now, it just seems like this team has an identity problem. Horny just needs to find the right mix--we have a lot of talent at the 1,2,3, and apparently, getting shafted at the 4 and 5? What the heck happened to Chandler and Len this season? These were the two I was looking most forward to.


Tyson's been injured. Yes, we are talented at 1 and 2 but if they don't learn how to handle the ball without turning it over it will be tough to count on us to win those close games.
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#274 » by PackSuns » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:28 pm

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1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts? :nonono:



Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.



... not sure about the part in bold. Warren's jumper has clearly improved, but he is not a "shooter" per se and teams will still help off him often enough. Warren, however, knows how to make them pay through the lost of art of cutting and movement.

Tucker is clearly a backup-level player, and Warren will be starting for Phoenix sooner or later. Tucker "puts up the effort," though. He just lacks the athleticism and the skill level.


What makes you think he is not a "shooter"? Seems like he is one of our best "shooters"
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#275 » by PackSuns » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:33 pm

54% FG 45% 3pt 80% ft. Avg 22 mins a game
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Post#276 » by old rem » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:37 pm

I am impressed how good Warren looked. Bledsoe has improved steadily. This game does not say the Suns got much D going... but...when Curry's hitting... nothing works. Suns have a good base now.
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Post#277 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:44 pm

1UPZ wrote:FA forwards who can play small ball PF...
- Durant
- Parsons
- Barnes

Others might be possible through trades this season.


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Post#278 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:46 pm

PackSuns wrote:54% FG 45% 3pt 80% ft. Avg 22 mins a game


Those are top level shooting numbers. Warren is not a volume three point shooter but that is ok with me.


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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#279 » by PackSuns » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:49 pm

If you want to see how TJ compares to other Small Forwards in the league use this link. Some of you will be amazed. Some already Know.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=SF&conference=NBA&year=season_2015&sort=25&qualified=0
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Re: Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8) 

Post#280 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:51 pm

old rem wrote:I am impressed how good Warren looked. Bledsoe has improved steadily. This game does not say the Suns got much D going... but...when Curry's hitting... nothing works. Suns have a good base now.

The problem is that the Pelicans made us 122 and 120 points ....that is the problem. It is not the system only, the players are guilty too.We are not good enough ( like were the Nash teams) to win games without good defense.

Tucker has lost an step defensively ( he is good but not great like the last few years) and Markieff is below average on defense. Teletovic is strictly a bad defender, he tries to defend but his athleticism is horrible. Booker is not there yet, Len is too slow and is not altering shots.....too many poblems defensively.

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