Hennigan should be fired if...

[epics2002]

The draft this year wasnt Hennigans fault. Orlando won 25 and there were 3 franchise players at the top of the draft and
the dumb lakers who took Russell. If Orlando had tanked like the Knicks/Sixers you guys would probaly have KP
but you need to sell tickets too. Look at the bowls in Philly, no one goes to the games anymore. Its a slippery slope.

[flying_mollusk]

If the Magic are a bottom 5 by All-Star break, Henny most definitiley be fired. No questions asked.

And if they aren't bottom, youll stop harping on him?

Im pretty sure they wont be bottom 5.

Lakers, Nets and 76ers will def be bottom 5 locks. That means we just need to outpace 2 teams.

I think we are on pace for 32 wins or more. Vegas has us at 34.5. Nate Silver at 37 wins. If we we win 32, that would put us in the 9-10 worst record range.

9-10 worst record range is, in my opinion, worse than being in the bottom 5 because we don't get playoffs and we don't get a good draft pick.

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

[ezzzp]

Tell me what universe where an Owner in a Billion dollar industry keeps management of a team with the worst record in the league over a 4 year period!

Jesus Christ. Get real, man.

The one where the owner specifically hired the GM to do a sustainable ground up rebuild - not a win as you rebuild strategy - but a bottom out and reinvent the franchise type identity change. Which you should know is at minimum a 4-6 year plan - always is.

More importantly, you do not know how RH is performing with his fiscal responsibilities. Aside from building a team, RH was also responsible for turning around a top 3 luxury-tax paying roster into a long term sustainable one.

While attendance might have dropped, the payroll also massively dropped - so much so that the Magic had to pay the fine for not reaching the salary cap floor last season. How the lost revenue from attendance balances out with a massively lower payroll, luxury tax benefit distribution and ownership's cut of NBA's BRI distribution is unknown to all fans and even NBA players.

The one fact we do know is that the Devos family just gave Rob Hennigan a shiny new contract this summer, so that should answer your question. Do you think its a coincidence that his tenure has been contractually secured to last 6 years - the length of nearly all NBA ground up rebuilds?

[Orlwillbeback]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

[OrlandoNed]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

Oladipo wouldn't be riding the bench if he wasn't playing like crap this season and getting out played by Fournier. Gordon and Hezonja are both 20 year old players who need more seasoning before they are thrown into the deep end in front of the more experienced and proven prospects, Harris and Fournier, on the team.

[Orlwillbeback]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

Oladipo wouldn't be riding the bench if he wasn't playing like crap this season and getting out played by Fournier. Gordon and Hezonja are both 20 year old players who need more seasoning before they are thrown into the deep end in front of the more experienced and proven prospects, Harris and Fournier, on the team.

Thats bull and you know it is. We suffered three AWFUL seasons to get these players, they better **** play. You see other rookies like KP winslow and johnson playing minutes on BETTER teams. You see second and third year guys like cj mccollum and KCP playing and starting big minutes despite being taken wayyyy after dipo. Wht did we tank in the first place if these guys arent even playing FOUR years later? How patient do we have to be?

[Skin]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

Not so much mad about Dipo as he's currently being outplayed by Fournier.

But yeah... your frustration is the exact reaction that I'm thrilled to see. I expected we would run into this the moment we drafted Hezonja. Many including you LOVED the Hezonja pick, but I knew his impact and playing time would be minimal for us, especially this year. All that talk about how he was NBA ready was a joke.

Plus, Henny obviously knew he wanted to resign Tobias before he drafted Hezonja. So now we have 3 6'9 players, none of which can dominate at the 4, so we have a nice cozy spot on the bench for our young draft picks to stay underdeveloped since our highest paid player is obviously not gonna sit.

The problem isn't that we tanked... It's that we didn't tank hard enough!

[OrlandoNed]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

Oladipo wouldn't be riding the bench if he wasn't playing like crap this season and getting out played by Fournier. Gordon and Hezonja are both 20 year old players who need more seasoning before they are thrown into the deep end in front of the more experienced and proven prospects, Harris and Fournier, on the team.

Thats bull and you know it is. We suffered three AWFUL seasons to get these players, they better **** play. You see other rookies like KP winslow and johnson playing minutes on BETTER teams. You see second and third year guys like cj mccollum and KCP playing and starting big minutes despite being taken wayyyy after dipo. Wht did we tank in the first place if these guys arent even playing FOUR years later? How patient do we have to be?

Oh, please. They'd play more if we didn't have better prospects ahead of them.

Fournier is better overall than Oladipo right now and Harris is better overall than a raw Gordon and a rookie Hezonja. Just because they were traded for doesn't mean they automatically have to take a back seat to the guys we drafted.

You want to win or develop and tank? If you want to win, you play your better players more minutes than the mistake prone or inefficient or less skilled ones who have to earn more playing time. That's a faster way to win now than give a ton of minutes to Gordon who can't f*cking score outside of point blank range to save his life or Hezonja who turns the ball over constantly or Oladipo who couldn't throw the ball in a lake this year. Tanking more isn't going to do sh*t for your patience. You can't have both.

The reason the guys you mentioned get minutes is because their teams don't have anybody better to play than them. Orlando has options.

[Ducklett]

And if they aren't bottom, youll stop harping on him?

Im pretty sure they wont be bottom 5.

Lakers, Nets and 76ers will def be bottom 5 locks. That means we just need to outpace 2 teams.

I think we are on pace for 32 wins or more. Vegas has us at 34.5. Nate Silver at 37 wins. If we we win 32, that would put us in the 9-10 worst record range.

9-10 worst record range is, in my opinion, worse than being in the bottom 5 because we don't get playoffs and we don't get a good draft pick.

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

[OrlChamps2030]

9-10 worst record range is, in my opinion, worse than being in the bottom 5 because we don't get playoffs and we don't get a good draft pick.

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

also the bucks and suns

plenty of other examples out there as well im sure

[flying_mollusk]

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

also the bucks and suns

plenty of other examples out there as well im sure

The Bucks have the 6th worst record in the league right now. We just killed them. Suns have 10th worst and didnt make the playoffs last year. Twolves are only 8-8. Its a long season. They arent major playoff contenders yet. You act like those teams have become the Spurs. They are still in their transitory rebuild. They are all terrible examples of teams turning it around in 1 year.

Do you really want us to be a bottom 5 team? Look at the 76ers. It's embarrassing.

[OrlChamps2030]

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

also the bucks and suns

plenty of other examples out there as well im sure

The Bucks have the 6th worst record in the league right now. We just killed them. Suns have 10th worst and didnt make the playoffs last year. Twolves are only 8-8. Its a long season. They arent major playoff contenders yet.

I was talking about when the Bucks went from 15-67 and worst in the conference to 41-41 the following year. The Suns went from 25-57 and worst in the conference to 48-34 the following year. The bucks were the 6th seed and the Suns missed the playoffs by 1 game IIRC.. you wouldnt consider those teams going from botto 5 to playoff contenders?

[MagicFan101]

Gee, im sure glad we tanked for Mario, AG and Dipo so they could ride the **** bench!

Oladipo wouldn't be riding the bench if he wasn't playing like crap this season and getting out played by Fournier. Gordon and Hezonja are both 20 year old players who need more seasoning before they are thrown into the deep end in front of the more experienced and proven prospects, Harris and Fournier, on the team.

Hang on. Fournier is far more efficient than Dipo on getting the ball in the basket so far this season but Dipo is much more of a complete player.

If Dipo could get to the line more and / or hit jump shots slightly better, he would be a fringe all-star. Sadly I don't have faith that Dipo will ever become a great shooter but he absolutely has the ability to get to the free throw line and earn points that way; he just doesn't force contact at the rim.

[flying_mollusk]

also the bucks and suns

plenty of other examples out there as well im sure

The Bucks have the 6th worst record in the league right now. We just killed them. Suns have 10th worst and didnt make the playoffs last year. Twolves are only 8-8. Its a long season. They arent major playoff contenders yet.

I was talking about when the Bucks went from 15-67 and worst in the conference to 41-41 the following year. The Suns went from 25-57 and worst in the conference to 48-34 the following year. The bucks were the 6th seed and the Suns missed the playoffs by 1 game IIRC.. you wouldnt consider those teams going from botto 5 to playoff contenders?

He said he would rather us be a bottom 5 team than miss the playoffs and be in the 9-10 range. I took that to mean he would rather us tank for a star than be a mediocre one year team. Being a 1st round exit team is no different than being 9-10, ie trying but missing the playoffs vs first round founder. The Suns example doesnt work because they missed the playoffs (so had an even worse draft pick).

What I should have said is that you dont go from bottom five to title contender.

But even if we are talking about bottom 5 to 41+ wins, the Bucks and Suns are rare. And neither the Knicks nor the Twolves have done that yet.

[OrlChamps2030]

The Bucks have the 6th worst record in the league right now. We just killed them. Suns have 10th worst and didnt make the playoffs last year. Twolves are only 8-8. Its a long season. They arent major playoff contenders yet.

I was talking about when the Bucks went from 15-67 and worst in the conference to 41-41 the following year. The Suns went from 25-57 and worst in the conference to 48-34 the following year. The bucks were the 6th seed and the Suns missed the playoffs by 1 game IIRC.. you wouldnt consider those teams going from botto 5 to playoff contenders?

He said he would rather us be a bottom 5 team than miss the playoffs and be in the 9-10 range. I took that to mean he would rather us tank for a star than be a mediocre one year team. Being a 1st round exit team is no different than being 9-10, ie trying but missing the playoffs vs first round founder. The Suns example doesnt work because they missed the playoffs (so had an even worse draft pick).

What I should have said is that you dont go from bottom five to title contender.

But even if we are talking about bottom 5 to 41+ wins, the Bucks and Suns are rare. And neither the Knicks nor the Twolves have done that yet.

ah... well i can definitely agree that you dont go from bottom five to title contender

[AshBlackstone]

9-10 worst record range is, in my opinion, worse than being in the bottom 5 because we don't get playoffs and we don't get a good draft pick.

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

Uh, tell that to us? Aren't we a bottom 5 team from a year ago that is now a playoff contender?

[AshBlackstone]

Teams dont go from being bottom 5 to playoff contenders in one year.

Tell that to the Timberwolves and the Knicks.

also the bucks and suns

plenty of other examples out there as well im sure

Why aren't we using our own team as an example? Oh that's right, because that doesn't fit the "our world is crashing down everyone panic" argument.

We are as good or better than all of the teams being referenced here.

[Orlwillbeback]

The draft this year wasnt Hennigans fault. Orlando won 25 and there were 3 franchise players at the top of the draft and
the dumb lakers who took Russell. If Orlando had tanked like the Knicks/Sixers you guys would probaly have KP
but you need to sell tickets too. Look at the bowls in Philly, no one goes to the games anymore. Its a slippery slope.

Im not really convined anybody who came out in 2015 is really a franchise changing superstar. Towns has the best chance but he doesnt have the physical profile typical of a player like that. Dont get me wrong he could be damn good all star maybe best center in the league all around but for example Whiteside has dominated him in the paint both times he has faced him because he is bigger, stronger and a better athlete.

Kristaps will probably be the best player overall but i cant really see a team designing an offense around him. He is more like the ultimate complimentary player.

Okafor doesnt play defense and has lapses in judgement such as extracurricular stuff but offensively in the half court i could see him being the best post player for years to come.

I have no idea what Russell is all about. The range of potential outcomes for his career is incredibly vast.

Mario i know at least can contribute with his shooting. Hell be able to do that for any team. I think the rest of his game will follow once he learns how to dribble. I have been encouraged by his defense so far.

Mudiay looks blah.

Everyone else looks like a good role player imo. The 2015 draft could be remembered as the year the best player was taken out of the lottery.