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TinmanZBoy · Post #401 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:58 am

seriously, why the Cavs paid J.R. after he opted out and had nowhere to go, but they would not pay Delly?
I would pay more to Delly than J.R. in any team...

HornetJail · Post #402 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:06 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:seriously, why the Cavs paid J.R. after he opted out and had nowhere to go, but they would not pay Delly?
I would pay more to Delly than J.R. in any team...

because Delly still re-signed for the minimum. Why pay more than you have to? *looks at tristan thompson's contract and giggles*

Braggins · Post #403 » by **Braggins** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:11 am

I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

HornetJail · Post #404 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:11 am

Mystical Apples wrote:Lin + Hawes + Marvin and a 1st for Majo, MCW, and Henson. It may sound funny but they'd surely be interested in Hawes who would be valuable as a backup to space things for Giannis and Parker.

PG - Kemba, MCW
Wings: Batum, Lamb, MKG, Majo if he resigned
Bigs: Henson, Frank, Cody

If Batum signs that's still a young team all under long term deals and cap space to pursue a FA. MKG is going to get heavy run as a PF with Frank next year so he might be a "big"

MCW makes no sense at all for this roster. He can't shoot, is a mediocre playmaker, not a great defender, and has a ridiculous TOV%. Regardless, I probably do this deal for Henson, and move MCW for whatever I can get. The Bucks passed on the Lakers' pick to get MCW, so hopefully he's still got some value around the league.

I don't think Milwaukee does this deal at all though. Maybe they do if that pick ended up being top 10, but if it did, we wouldn't do this deal.

HornetJail · Post #405 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:12 am

Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

Not watching the game, but based on the last couple seasons, I'd agree with you.

Braggins · Post #406 » by **Braggins** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:14 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

Not watching the game, but based on the last couple seasons, I'd agree with you.

In the first half he has 7 rebounds, 3 blocks, 1 steal, 1 assist, and is the only starter with a positive +/-.

edit: Nevermind, his +/- is -2, but he is the least negative of any starter.

TinmanZBoy · Post #407 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:16 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:seriously, why the Cavs paid J.R. after he opted out and had nowhere to go, but they would not pay Delly?
I would pay more to Delly than J.R. in any team...

because Delly still re-signed for the minimum. Why pay more than you have to? *looks at tristan thompson's contract and giggles*

If they threw Delly a 18m/3 years deal, Delly probably would have signed and they could lock him up for three years... now I don't think they can lock up delly with this price...
I would have played hard ball with J.R., 2 millions/year or you walk, he had nowhere to go any way...

HornetJail · Post #408 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:18 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:seriously, why the Cavs paid J.R. after he opted out and had nowhere to go, but they would not pay Delly?
I would pay more to Delly than J.R. in any team...

because Delly still re-signed for the minimum. Why pay more than you have to? *looks at tristan thompson's contract and giggles*

If they threw Delly a 18m/3 years deal, Delly probably would have signed and they could lock him up for three years... now I don't think they can lock up delly with this price...
I would have played hard ball with J.R., 2 millions/year or you walk, he had nowhere to go any way...

JR would make more than that in China. They paid what they needed to in order to keep the group together, nothing more. Delly making $6M a year is just stupid, and it would cost them somewhere near $25M in luxury tax.

mademan · Post #409 » by **mademan** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:25 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:seriously, why the Cavs paid J.R. after he opted out and had nowhere to go, but they would not pay Delly?
I would pay more to Delly than J.R. in any team...

because Delly still re-signed for the minimum. Why pay more than you have to? *looks at tristan thompson's contract and giggles*

If they threw Delly a 18m/3 years deal, Delly probably would have signed and they could lock him up for three years... now I don't think they can lock up delly with this price...
I would have played hard ball with J.R., 2 millions/year or you walk, he had nowhere to go any way...

Delly's not making 6 mill per year. He's perfect for the Cavs, but he's ridiculously limited. You need a 2guard/point forward to play with him and theres only a few of those in the league. Not to mention how deep the pg spot is in the league

Mystical Apples · Post #410 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:29 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Lin + Hawes + Marvin and a 1st for Majo, MCW, and Henson. It may sound funny but they'd surely be interested in Hawes who would be valuable as a backup to space things for Giannis and Parker.

PG - Kemba, MCW
Wings: Batum, Lamb, MKG, Majo if he resigned
Bigs: Henson, Frank, Cody

If Batum signs that's still a young team all under long term deals and cap space to pursue a FA. MKG is going to get heavy run as a PF with Frank next year so he might be a "big"

MCW makes no sense at all for this roster. He can't shoot, is a mediocre playmaker, not a great defender, and has a ridiculous TOV%. Regardless, I probably do this deal for Henson, and move MCW for whatever I can get. The Bucks passed on the Lakers' pick to get MCW, so hopefully he's still got some value around the league.

I don't think Milwaukee does this deal at all though. Maybe they do if that pick ended up being top 10, but if it did, we wouldn't do this deal.

So you're saying its not a slam dunk then (like most trades). Let me rework that then:

Roberts, PJ and a second for Majo and Henson. Happy?

Regarding MCW he would have value as a backup. Hes essentially a young version of Beverley, who was fine as a "point guard" when playing with Harden. The same idea would would apply with Batum and Lamb, where MCW would be great as a team defender and not relied upon to run a team. He's shooting ok from 3 this year and is showing improvement

Besides thinking MCW wouldn't fit with Charlotte kind of ignores the type of roster Cho is assembling.

Mystical Apples · Post #411 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:42 am

A second unit with MCW, Batum, Lamb, Frank, and Cody would be good on both ends. MCW wouldn't have to make all the plays, or many for that matter. Livingston is a "Pg" getting 20 minutes a game but his usage is 12% because the other guys can handle the rock and make plays.

TinmanZBoy · Post #412 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:51 am

MA, who the hell is Majo?
it is Mayo

Post #413 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:09 am

Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

He is great if (a) you need help on the boards and (b) you play an iso heavy offense and are fine running four on five on offense.

Biz is completely ignored on offense. Gortat has abandoned him all game, yet the only FGA he has in this game was waived off because he bowled into Gortat and was called for the charge.

We don't need his help on the boards and he is antithetical to the spacing and ball movement oriented offense we are gunning for.

HornetJail · Post #414 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:12 am

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

He is great if (a) you need help on the boards and (b) you play an iso heavy offense and are fine running four on five on offense.

Biz is completely ignored on offense. Gortat has abandoned him all game, yet the only FGA he has in this game was waived off because he bowled into Gortat and was called for the charge.

We don't need his help on the boards and he is antithetical to the spacing and ball movement oriented offense we are gunning for.

What about the other 50% of the game that we suck at? I hear that big athletic guys with 12-foot arms and great timing tend to help on that end.

Could also argue that his screen setting would help our ball movement and ability to get open looks more than whatever Al is doing these days.

Mystical Apples · Post #415 » by **Mystical Apples** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:17 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:MA, who the hell is Majo?
it is Mayo

What, you don't like flair?

Post #416 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:23 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

He is great if (a) you need help on the boards and (b) you play an iso heavy offense and are fine running four on five on offense.

Biz is completely ignored on offense. Gortat has abandoned him all game, yet the only FGA he has in this game was waived off because he bowled into Gortat and was called for the charge.

We don't need his help on the boards and he is antithetical to the spacing and ball movement oriented offense we are gunning for.

What about the other 50% of the game that we suck at? I hear that big athletic guys with 12-foot arms and great timing tend to help on that end.

At some point you need to recognize that the data doesn't support you on this.

We have the 11th best defense in the NBA by DRTG and defensive efficiency.

We as a franchise give up the fewest FGAs in the league from within six feet (by %, not just raw).

We are an elite rebounding team, currently bumped down to second in the league by SAS.

TinmanZBoy · Post #417 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:34 am

poor wizard, John Wall missed two free throws then got killed by a buzzer beater

Liver_Pooty · Post #418 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:00 am

Vonleh not only appears to be raw, but he's just freaking awful. We got Batum at a bargain.

Braggins · Post #419 » by **Braggins** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:20 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I'm watching the Raptors/Wiz game and I truly believe that Biz is better than any big on our team.

He is great if (a) you need help on the boards and (b) you play an iso heavy offense and are fine running four on five on offense.

Biz is completely ignored on offense. Gortat has abandoned him all game, yet the only FGA he has in this game was waived off because he bowled into Gortat and was called for the charge.

We don't need his help on the boards and he is antithetical to the spacing and ball movement oriented offense we are gunning for.

I dont agree that he causes you to play 4 on 5 offense or that he hurts ball movement. There were a couple situations when the Wiz used some creative help off Biyombo when Derozen/Lowry had the ball in the corners, but they weren't completely ignoring him all game. They ran tons of pick and rolls with him and he got Lowry and Joseph a lot of open shots. They actually were respecting Biz's rolls to the rim, which is why he only had one field goal attempt. Gortat would not have been in position to take that charge had he been ignoring him as you say. He is more useful on offense than Al, outside of the rare games where Al is on fire. He also isnt much more ignorable than Zeller or Hawes. Zeller is the only big on our roster that is arguably a more useful player than Biz. Also, Biz isn't even a full year older than Frank. In hindsight, our offseason was overall fantastic, but letting Biz walk was plain dumb. It probably needed to happen because Clifford was going to do everything he could to avoid playing him. I have no doubt that Hawes useless ass would be above him in the rotation if we kept him. My only problem with Cliff at this point is that he doesn't know what to do with players that don't fit perfectly into his system.

Braggins · Post #420 » by **Braggins** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:28 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:Lin + Hawes + Marvin and a 1st for Majo, MCW, and Henson. It may sound funny but they'd surely be interested in Hawes who would be valuable as a backup to space things for Giannis and Parker.

PG - Kemba, MCW
Wings: Batum, Lamb, MKG, Majo if he resigned
Bigs: Henson, Frank, Cody

If Batum signs that's still a young team all under long term deals and cap space to pursue a FA. MKG is going to get heavy run as a PF with Frank next year so he might be a "big"

MCW makes no sense at all for this roster. He can't shoot, is a mediocre playmaker, not a great defender, and has a ridiculous TOV%. Regardless, I probably do this deal for Henson, and move MCW for whatever I can get. The Bucks passed on the Lakers' pick to get MCW, so hopefully he's still got some value around the league.

I don't think Milwaukee does this deal at all though. Maybe they do if that pick ended up being top 10, but if it did, we wouldn't do this deal.

So you're saying its not a slam dunk then (like most trades). Let me rework that then:

Roberts, PJ and a second for Majo and Henson. Happy?

Regarding MCW he would have value as a backup. Hes essentially a young version of Beverley, who was fine as a "point guard" when playing with Harden. The same idea would would apply with Batum and Lamb, where MCW would be great as a team defender and not relied upon to run a team. He's shooting ok from 3 this year and is showing improvement

Besides thinking MCW wouldn't fit with Charlotte kind of ignores the type of roster Cho is assembling.

Henson has a poison pill contract. Guess who works straight up for Mayo + Henson? Hint, its Al! Al doesn't really fit their team at all, but it might be possible that they would be interested in picks and cap relief and they could always use Al as a backup for the season. I would probably do that deal and throw in a lottery protected first and one of our extra seconds.

Kemba/Lin/Roberts
Mayo/Lamb/Daniels
Batum/PJ
Marv/Frank
Henson/Zeller/Psycho