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Post#1281 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:58 pm

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WTF, CCJ? You are saying that Mrs. EFF and Dixon's ex are gold diggers? Which you have what reason to believe? And, although "not all (are) gold diggers" it's only a "maybe" that you are "not accusing... most"?

Maybe the success of some of those men "was made possible" by the support of their wives? Oh, and maybe they are not all "decent, good" men?


Now, in the words of a few presidents, "Let me make this perfectly clear."

"I ain't saying she's a gold digger, but she ain't messing wit no broke broke... Go head girl, go on get down!"

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Post#1284 » by closg00 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:42 pm

JaVale disses the Wiz.
JaVale McGee is trying to make the most of his opportunity with the Dallas Mavericks.

“I’m a lot smarter and I’m a lot more patient in my game,” he said. “In college, I was 38 percent from the 3 [point line], and when I came to summer league with the Wizards, I shot a three and made it. The next game, [coaches said], ‘Don’t shoot no threes. Just rebound and block shots.’

“I’m like, ‘Damn, y’all just limited what I have been doing my whole life.’ ”

McGee does not look back fondly on his years with the Washington Wizards.

“It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”
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Post#1285 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:51 pm

In college, JaVale took a total of 45 threes. He made 16 of them -- 35% (not 38%). He's played a total of 3 games for the Mavs, and he's averaging 10 minutes a game; he hasn't taken any threes. Man, he needs to straighten out those Maverick coaches! (In fairness, he's been very good in those 30 minutes -- rebounding and shooting a high % inside)

I believe the Nuggets are paying JaVale $11.25m this year to play for Dallas; next year, they'll pay him $12m. "I've always been blessed..." he remarks. I'll say he has!
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Post#1286 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:08 pm

closg00 wrote:JaVale disses the Wiz.
JaVale McGee is trying to make the most of his opportunity with the Dallas Mavericks.

“I’m a lot smarter and I’m a lot more patient in my game,” he said. “In college, I was 38 percent from the 3 [point line], and when I came to summer league with the Wizards, I shot a three and made it. The next game, [coaches said], ‘Don’t shoot no threes. Just rebound and block shots.’

“I’m like, ‘Damn, y’all just limited what I have been doing my whole life.’ ”

McGee does not look back fondly on his years with the Washington Wizards.

“It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”

In addition to pif's point...McGee was a pretty unimpressive player in college. Meh production against meh competition. He's been better in the NBA than he was in the NCAA. Maybe there was something to the Wizards telling him not to shoot threes.

Also, he's been a **** jump shooter throughout his pro career. On attempts from 3+ feet, his career FG% is .339. From 10+ feet, his career FG% is .285. On at-rim attempts, he's outstanding -- .678. It would seem smart for his coaches to suggest he avoid jumpers -- at least until he could demonstrate an ability in practice to consistently make them.
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Post#1287 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:39 pm

closg00 wrote:JaVale disses the Wiz.
JaVale McGee is trying to make the most of his opportunity with the Dallas Mavericks.

“I’m a lot smarter and I’m a lot more patient in my game,” he said. “In college, I was 38 percent from the 3 [point line], and when I came to summer league with the Wizards, I shot a three and made it. The next game, [coaches said], ‘Don’t shoot no threes. Just rebound and block shots.’

“I’m like, ‘Damn, y’all just limited what I have been doing my whole life.’ ”

McGee does not look back fondly on his years with the Washington Wizards.

“It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”


When Javale was a Wizard I recall posting that he's more of a tall forward than a post up C. I suggested he's built similar to Pau, so why not allow him to play from the outside in, even letting McGee shoot jumpers.

It wouldn't shock me at all if McGee plays his best basketball from now on in his career.

TheSecretWeapon, my thoughts are McGee would take at most three or four jumpers a game. I would coach bigs like European bigs are coached. Take the jumper in rhythm if you practice and make the shot. Just don't settle.

Treat the guy like any other basketball player. Small need to learn to post up and bigs need to shoot well from the perimeter.

It makes zero sense to me for a guy with limitations like Thomas Robinson not to do what Humphries just did.

When a big takes a jumper it draws an opposing big away from the basket. That opens driving lanes and creates rebounds for smalls.
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Post#1288 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:46 pm

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closg00 wrote:JaVale disses the Wiz.
JaVale McGee is trying to make the most of his opportunity with the Dallas Mavericks.

“I’m a lot smarter and I’m a lot more patient in my game,” he said. “In college, I was 38 percent from the 3 [point line], and when I came to summer league with the Wizards, I shot a three and made it. The next game, [coaches said], ‘Don’t shoot no threes. Just rebound and block shots.’

“I’m like, ‘Damn, y’all just limited what I have been doing my whole life.’ ”

McGee does not look back fondly on his years with the Washington Wizards.

“It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”

In addition to pif's point...McGee was a pretty unimpressive player in college. Meh production against meh competition. He's been better in the NBA than he was in the NCAA. Maybe there was something to the Wizards telling him not to shoot threes.

Also, he's been a **** jump shooter throughout his pro career. On attempts from 3+ feet, his career FG% is .339. From 10+ feet, his career FG% is .285. On at-rim attempts, he's outstanding -- .678. It would seem smart for his coaches to suggest he avoid jumpers -- at least until he could demonstrate an ability in practice to consistently make them.


I usually go along with your stats but I believe he's similar to Demarcus Cousins.

I think the paucity of previous attempts and virtually all of his previous attempts essentially being taken under duress have rendered his percentages non-representative of his shooting.

Just like Humphries and Cousins just let the guy shoot threes and watch him make a bunch. Once teams respect his three McGee will get easier dunks.

The one thing he has done so far in Dallas is rebound well. I hope McGee plays well.

He visited Hawaii with other NBA players with the USO tour during the lockout. He made himself very available to military families. My sons got his autograph.

They like Javale a lot. I think he's a nice young man.
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Post#1289 » by TheSecretWeapon » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:56 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
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closg00 wrote:JaVale disses the Wiz.

In addition to pif's point...McGee was a pretty unimpressive player in college. Meh production against meh competition. He's been better in the NBA than he was in the NCAA. Maybe there was something to the Wizards telling him not to shoot threes.

Also, he's been a **** jump shooter throughout his pro career. On attempts from 3+ feet, his career FG% is .339. From 10+ feet, his career FG% is .285. On at-rim attempts, he's outstanding -- .678. It would seem smart for his coaches to suggest he avoid jumpers -- at least until he could demonstrate an ability in practice to consistently make them.


I usually go along with your stats but I believe he's similar to Demarcus Cousins.

I think the paucity of previous attempts and virtually all of his previous attempts essentially being taken under duress have rendered his percentages non-representative of his shooting.

Just like Humphries and Cousins just let the guy shoot threes and watch him make a bunch. Once teams respect his three McGee will get easier dunks.

The one thing he has done so far in Dallas is rebound well. I hope McGee plays well.

He visited Hawaii with other NBA players with the USO tour during the lockout. He made himself very available to military families. My sons got his autograph.

They like Javale a lot. I think he's a nice young man.

I hope McGee plays well too. My guess is that him trying to shoot jumpers will undercut significantly other positives he might bring. His shooting form on jumpers was atrocious, and his FT% (often an indicator of base shooting ability) is low as well. Knowing Rick Carlisle a little, I think they're going to try and keep McGee focused on playing inside -- not trying to become a 3pt shooter.

Not sure where you're going with the Cousins comparison. Cousins actually does shoot lots of jumpers. His percentages on jumpers has been decent throughout his career -- probably 10-12% points better than McGee. Unfortunately, "decent two-point jump shooter" is a dubious distinction because the shot is so inefficient. Cousins' persistence in shooting so many two-point jumpers has done exactly what I'd be concerned about with McGee -- undercut his many positives.
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Post#1290 » by nate33 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:33 am

McGee has always been way worse than his numbers. He scores with decent efficiency, rebounds and blocks shots; but he plays terrible defense, he doesn't box out, he doesn't rotate well, and he always wants to do the flashy thing rather than the nuts-and-bolts stuff that helps teams win games.

His on/off numbers have been horrific every year of his entire career except his 3rd season when his backups were the equally horrific Kevin Seraphin and Yi Jianlian.

He was just as bad in Denver so it's laughable for him to be criticizing the Wizards organization when he hasn't improved one iota in his 3-1/2 years away from Washington.
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Post#1291 » by montestewart » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:21 am

nate33 wrote:McGee has always been way worse than his numbers. He scores with decent efficiency, rebounds and blocks shots; but he plays terrible defense, he doesn't box out, he doesn't rotate well, and he always wants to do the flashy thing rather than the nuts-and-bolts stuff that helps teams win games.

His on/off numbers have been horrific every year of his entire career except his 3rd season when his backups were the equally horrific Kevin Seraphin and Yi Jianlian.

He was just as bad in Denver so it's laughable for him to be criticizing the Wizards organization when he hasn't improved one iota in his 3-1/2 years away from Washington.

Wizards always seem to have a little dysfunction going on, so it's easy for ex-Wizards to legitimately point out organizational shortcomings if they're so inclined, but McGee doesn't seem to show much humility or accountability. By the end of his current contract, he will have earned $50 million in the NBA, almost all of that paid on potential. He might have easily doubled or even tripled that had he tried to grow his game.

McGee's failure to live up to potential seems very similar to Blatche's failure, both of them envisioning themselves as effective away from the basket, while coaches (and the stat sheet) saw them more effective protecting the rim, getting rebounds and high percentage scores close in. Had they accepted and committed to learning that role, both would have been better off.Alternatively, had either of them developed a deadly 3 pointer, able to hit 40% on high volume…but that never happened.

Maybe, as CCJ hopes, he might still find himself, as he still has the raw skills, but he's on his third team. How much more situation shopping can he do? I always thought he was a nice guy, if a bit of a lunkhead, so I wish him well, and I still think he should have won that dunk contest.
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Post#1292 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:15 am

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TheSecretWeapon wrote:In addition to pif's point...McGee was a pretty unimpressive player in college. Meh production against meh competition. He's been better in the NBA than he was in the NCAA. Maybe there was something to the Wizards telling him not to shoot threes.

Also, he's been a **** jump shooter throughout his pro career. On attempts from 3+ feet, his career FG% is .339. From 10+ feet, his career FG% is .285. On at-rim attempts, he's outstanding -- .678. It would seem smart for his coaches to suggest he avoid jumpers -- at least until he could demonstrate an ability in practice to consistently make them.


I usually go along with your stats but I believe he's similar to Demarcus Cousins.

I think the paucity of previous attempts and virtually all of his previous attempts essentially being taken under duress have rendered his percentages non-representative of his shooting.

Just like Humphries and Cousins just let the guy shoot threes and watch him make a bunch. Once teams respect his three McGee will get easier dunks.

The one thing he has done so far in Dallas is rebound well. I hope McGee plays well.

He visited Hawaii with other NBA players with the USO tour during the lockout. He made himself very available to military families. My sons got his autograph.

They like Javale a lot. I think he's a nice young man.

I hope McGee plays well too. My guess is that him trying to shoot jumpers will undercut significantly other positives he might bring. His shooting form on jumpers was atrocious, and his FT% (often an indicator of base shooting ability) is low as well. Knowing Rick Carlisle a little, I think they're going to try and keep McGee focused on playing inside -- not trying to become a 3pt shooter.

Not sure where you're going with the Cousins comparison. Cousins actually does shoot lots of jumpers. His percentages on jumpers has been decent throughout his career -- probably 10-12% points better than McGee. Unfortunately, "decent two-point jump shooter" is a dubious distinction because the shot is so inefficient. Cousins' persistence in shooting so many two-point jumpers has done exactly what I'd be concerned about with McGee -- undercut his many positives.


I was thinking about Cousins shooting threes. Same with McGee.

In the earlier post McGee was quoted as saying after hitting a three he was told not to shoot them.

Nobody should shoot bad twos.
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Post#1293 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:19 am

nate33 wrote:McGee has always been way worse than his numbers. He scores with decent efficiency, rebounds and blocks shots; but he plays terrible defense, he doesn't box out, he doesn't rotate well, and he always wants to do the flashy thing rather than the nuts-and-bolts stuff that helps teams win games.

His on/off numbers have been horrific every year of his entire career except his 3rd season when his backups were the equally horrific Kevin Seraphin and Yi Jianlian.

He was just as bad in Denver so it's laughable for him to be criticizing the Wizards organization when he hasn't improved one iota in his 3-1/2 years away from Washington.


I had to accept that his numbers were very bad. Consistently so on defense.

Yet, I recall one playoff where McGee played very effectively.

Seems to me if any coach will use him effectively Rick Carlisle will. Also, playing next to even old Dirk will be a good thing for Javale.
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Post#1294 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:23 am

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nate33 wrote:McGee has always been way worse than his numbers. He scores with decent efficiency, rebounds and blocks shots; but he plays terrible defense, he doesn't box out, he doesn't rotate well, and he always wants to do the flashy thing rather than the nuts-and-bolts stuff that helps teams win games.

His on/off numbers have been horrific every year of his entire career except his 3rd season when his backups were the equally horrific Kevin Seraphin and Yi Jianlian.

He was just as bad in Denver so it's laughable for him to be criticizing the Wizards organization when he hasn't improved one iota in his 3-1/2 years away from Washington.

Wizards always seem to have a little dysfunction going on, so it's easy for ex-Wizards to legitimately point out organizational shortcomings if they're so inclined, but McGee doesn't seem to show much humility or accountability. By the end of his current contract, he will have earned $50 million in the NBA, almost all of that paid on potential. He might have easily doubled or even tripled that had he tried to grow his game.

McGee's failure to live up to potential seems very similar to Blatche's failure, both of them envisioning themselves as effective away from the basket, while coaches (and the stat sheet) saw them more effective protecting the rim, getting rebounds and high percentage scores close in. Had they accepted and committed to learning that role, both would have been better off.Alternatively, had either of them developed a deadly 3 pointer, able to hit 40% on high volume…but that never happened.

Maybe, as CCJ hopes, he might still find himself, as he still has the raw skills, but he's on his third team. How much more situation shopping can he do? I always thought he was a nice guy, if a bit of a lunkhead, so I wish him well, and I still think he should have won that dunk contest.


As far as I'm concerned McGee made his money. He hasn't run afoul of the law. He's been the butt of jokes. God didn't give everyone great intellect. Just like many of us have emotional or even psychological problems.


He is what he is, but his athletic ability minus any injury is practically off the chart.
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Post#1295 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:53 am

Seraphin had a nice game. Four blocks, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 14 points in the Knicks OT loss to Houston.
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Post#1296 » by gambitx777 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:37 am

Kevin will always and forever be a kind of ok - ish player on a bad team.
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Post#1297 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:39 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Kevin will always and forever be a kind of ok - ish player on a bad team.

He hasn't been that good.
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Post#1298 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:26 pm

Javale is still in the league?

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Post#1299 » by tontoz » Tue Dec 1, 2015 2:53 pm

Javale played his best basketball with us. The only time he gets any notice nationally is on Shaqtin a Fool.
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