Trade Idea Thread II

mattd13 · Post #1621 » by **mattd13** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:20 pm

I see the clips making some moves at the deadline. however I am sure most of you are seeing what I am seeing. cp3 and blake are constantly getting beat to the basket plus dj is just not playing hard all the time. he makes one espn play then 2 bonehead plays. before the team can get it right those 3 guys have to look in the mirror.

Ranma · Post #1622 » by **Ranma** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:52 pm

David Thorpe in the TrueHoop TV video segment linked below noted that agents are telling him the Clippers are looking to make a trade.

TucsonClip · Post #1623 » by **TucsonClip** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:17 pm

Too many guards and not enough wings or point guards. Makes sense.

Quake Griffin · Post #1624 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:05 pm

I've wanted Gallo for years.

please let him be our guy.

nickhx2 · Post #1625 » by **nickhx2** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:25 pm

gallo = RINGZ

but we don't have enough assets to get that dude.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #1626 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:00 pm

You know what this could be? A superstar trade.

Either James Harden (a native L.A. guy who went to my high school - Artesia Pioneers!) or Dwight Howard (sending DeAndre Jordan home to Houston). Both are superstars who defeated Doc's teams, but Howard holds a greater weight in that he defeated Doc's teams in the playoffs TWICE (once as a Magic versus Celtics, second is last year).

If what David Thorpe said is true, then the whole purpose of retaining Jordan was because of a CBA footnote. Had Doc sign-and-traded DeAndre, they would have had a hard cap that limited their avenues to improving their roster. They needed to go over the cap in order to make a superstar trade, which is what Brooklyn did to get Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce in the 2013-14 season.

If this superstar trade goes down for either Howard or Harden (or both, if Doc wants to go crazy with his trade pieces), Doc thinks the Clipper's hopes will be restored. A superstar trade was how Doc won his first title. No doubt he's trying to re-create how he won his first title.

But is Doc willing to give up somebody he truly loved in Jordan just to win a title?

Quake Griffin · Post #1627 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:30 pm

nickhx2 wrote:gallo = RINGZ

but we don't have enough assets to get that dude.

you realize I'm past the point where the Big 3 (namely DeAndre) is untouchable right?

nickhx2 · Post #1628 » by **nickhx2** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:44 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:gallo = RINGZ

but we don't have enough assets to get that dude.

you realize I'm past the point where the Big 3 (namely DeAndre) is untouchable right?

i don't disagree about jordan but i don't see them trading gallo + nurkic for jordan + our anything

Quake Griffin · Post #1629 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:00 pm

I'm more interested in getting multiple firsts back for this guy than Gallo specifically even though Gallo would be a dream.
The only hiccup is that someone is going to have to be thrown in to match his salary to a certain percentage right?

Whatever. This is all predicated on Doc not being at the helm.
He'd burn the extra draft picks on bringing Kendrick Perkins here or something.

nickhx2 · Post #1630 » by **nickhx2** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:29 pm

firsts wouldn't really do anything for us though unless you were trying to reset the age of the core, in which case you're better off trading cp3. but then if you trade a cp3 to a team like boston they're gonna start competing hard and those 1sts will be pretty bad (non-lotto).

Quake Griffin · Post #1631 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:11 pm

nickhx2 wrote:firsts wouldn't really do anything for us though

?????

And I want to get younger on the wings/ be more flexible to make deals for younger players.
I don't want to trade CP3. I want him to retire a Clipper.

nickhx2 · Post #1632 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:36 am

if you trade away jordan you're trading away championship contention for hit or miss rookies. i mean sure if you trade jordan away and get the next winslow/porzingis sign me the eff up. but hitting on contribute now/future star rookies all at once is a gigantic gamble.

so when you trade jordan away you're basically minimizing cp3's championship window. he needs something to work with and it's not like we have an up and coming star off the bench for dj.

besides, doc has a propensity to not really play his youth, especially in favor of his, well, favorites.

nickhx2 · Post #1633 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:45 am

btw i wouldn't actually have a problem trading jordan away if cp3 were closer to blake's age. it'd be similar to okc trading harden away and not really feeling like they lost championship equity because even if the flubbed (which they kinda did), their dudes would be young enough to weather a lost year or two and still be very good.

with this team if you trade jordan and treadmill for a couple years, cp3's now a pretty good pg at 32 but still older and that window is now much smaller. just not worth the risk.

Quake Griffin · Post #1634 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:24 am

We could very well be waisting his prime with a team that is capped out and has to use the MLE every year to get better.

oh yea and the MLE is below the market value of the exact thing we need.

A move like that would be a concerted effort to build the team around Blake, not CP3.
I wouldn't trade Chris because I like him as a PG and a leader…oh and because I want him to retire here. I think he'll be fine into his 30s. Just need a team discount when this deal is up.

nickhx2 · Post #1635 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:16 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:We could very well be waisting his prime with a team that is capped out and has to use the MLE every year to get better.

oh yea and the MLE is below the market value of the exact thing we need.

A move like that would be a concerted effort to build the team around Blake, not CP3.
I wouldn't trade Chris because I like him as a PG and a leader…oh and because I want him to retire here. I think he'll be fine into his 30s. Just need a team discount when this deal is up.

i generally agree. if you make that kind of move you're basically telling cp3 to take a backseat for blake, which is pretty much in the process anyway.

but at the same time that backseat is gonna take at least 2-3 years, and cp3 might not even want to stick around since the team is telling him he's gonna have to sacrifice two or more years of his basketball career for it.

and it's not even counting the fact that you just might not get anything worthwhile in return. it's the whole bird in the hand thing, except with jordan it's more like a turkey in hand. his value to the team is immense compared to intangible first rounders.

Post #1636 » by **QRich3** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:25 am

Nah you don't trade a core piece for unknown picks into the future when you have 3 all-NBA players in their prime. I'm not against gauging the value of Deandre and trading him if we can get good value but not for a couple unknown draft picks from a team like Denver. Those picks have a lot more possibilities to become Trey Lyles and Doug McDermott than the next Kawhi. I'm ok to trade him for a pick or two if there's something specific that makes sense to be a part of the core on draft day, but not for some unknown picks that may or may not have value.

I'd be cool with making the kind of trade at the deadline that will give us more wing athleticism, but it has to be certain, else you're breaking up a fringe contender to be a fully treadmill team, not here neither there. If we're not looking great by February and the Hornets are trying to make a playoff push, I wouldn't be against trading DJ for the injured MKG and a sweetener that we could package for another C of the Biyombo/Mahinmi type. Maybe even try to package another 1st of ours to get Noah or something.

Quake Griffin · Post #1637 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:52 am

But we can't trade picks straight up for DeAndre to begin with right?

SO we'd never just be dealing him for picks any way.

Post #1638 » by **QRich3** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:18 pm

We'd have to take back about $20M in salary, but if taking a few bad contracts helps get a better player/pick in return, I'm sure Ballmer is willing to bite the bullet since we're gonna be over the tax for while anyway.

Problem is there's not a lot of bad contracts left in the league with the new CBA, and specially when next summer everyone and their neighbour is gonna have max capspace for a weak FA class.

I'd much rather deal him for proven young players just out of their rookie contract than unknown draft picks + overpaid veterans, to be honest. Like I said, we're not at the point of breaking up the core for unknown players that may or may not be good in 5 years. The time to rebuild will come, but we're not there yet.

Ranma · Post #1639 » by **Ranma** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:39 pm

Martell Webster won't be available to play this season, but he could be an option to consider in the off-season.

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Post #1640 » by **og15** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:53 pm

I believe he mentioned retiring pretty soon. Healthy Martell Webster would be a good fit at SF for the Clippers, but I don't think that's really happening anymore.

I mentioned in the other thread that C.J Watson wouldn't be a bad guard to add to the team via trade while getting rid of for example, Jamal, but realistically it would be best with no Jamal or Austin and just bringing in a guy like him, so that's not likely.

I agree about not having a problem with trading DJ, I've said that before, but I would want some sort of certaininty in trading him, wouldn't want just draft picks. I like the idea of MKG, but not only is he out this whole season, he's missed a decent amount of time the past two seasons.

Another team to possibly think of is Milwaukee. Their defense is awful, Middleton has been struggling a little bit, though still shooting the three well, so he might be available. I guess at best though you're looking at something like Middleton and Plumlee if you were trading a DJ which is questionable.

The performance of teams about 15 more games down the line will certainly become a factor too.