Official Draft Thread 2015-16

klemen4 · Post #421 » by **klemen4** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:48 pm

Another guard great

He reminds me of Wade

bucknersrevenge · Post #422 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:07 pm

Seriously, how difficult would it be to draft him with the idea of having him and Smart share backcourt duties in the future? Maybe a 3 guard lineup at times if you want RJ coming off the bench. Positionless basketball right?Eventually puts you in a position to move AB and IT later on to upgrade. Agan, just add another option to the million Danny will have going into next offseason.. Meanwhile I'm keeping an eye on this kid. Like his all-around game as much as if not more than Simmons.

Murta · Post #423 » by **Murta** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:02 pm

I feel the need to post this stat in this thread:
Jabari Parker was 4/16 on 3PA in 25 games last season and he is shooting 0/1 in 10 games this season. Yet he was 38/108 in college and was praised for his shooting ability.

Post #424 » by **165bows** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:39 pm

Murta wrote:I feel the need to post this stat in this thread:
Jabari Parker was 4/16 on 3PA in 25 games last season and he is shooting 0/1 in 10 games this season. Yet he was 38/108 in college and was praised for his shooting ability.

Dunn's an upperclassmen with a career 22% TO rate and a 53% TS%. Agree sometimes the hype gets hard to live up to.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #425 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:50 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:Seriously, how difficult would it be to draft him with the idea of having him and Smart share backcourt duties in the future? Maybe a 3 guard lineup at times if you want RJ coming off the bench. Positionless basketball right?Eventually puts you in a position to move AB and IT later on to upgrade. Agan, just add another option to the million Danny will have going into next offseason.. Meanwhile I'm keeping an eye on this kid. Like his all-around game as much as if not more than Simmons.

Avery could be an all-star this year, but let's trade him. :roll:

bucknersrevenge · Post #426 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:19 am

Celtsfan1980 wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Seriously, how difficult would it be to draft him with the idea of having him and Smart share backcourt duties in the future? Maybe a 3 guard lineup at times if you want RJ coming off the bench. Positionless basketball right?Eventually puts you in a position to move AB and IT later on to upgrade. Agan, just add another option to the million Danny will have going into next offseason.. Meanwhile I'm keeping an eye on this kid. Like his all-around game as much as if not more than Simmons.

Avery could be an all-star this year, but let's trade him.

Why don't we calm down just a tad on the "Avery an All-Star" rhetoric. Maybe let's let him I dunno, MAKE the All-Star team. Having said that. Avery is an asset. At what point in his career did he become untradeable? No I'll wait. If you have strength in your guardplay and can use AB to upgrade elsewhere why would you NOT do that.

Post #427 » by **165bows** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:48 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkPorcaro/status/671258854970302465[/tweet]

Consensus top 80 draft prospects chart, by Mark Porcaro.

Post #428 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 12:06 pm

I figured out who Simmons reminds me of-- he's a 6'10 version of Rondo. He will be a triple double machine, but will struggle to hit more than 15-17 PPG in the pros. If you surround him with the right talent, and he'll look like Magic. If you expect him to be like LeBron on the Cavs (first go round, surrounded by less than stellar teammates), you will be disappointed.

He's a very interesting player with tantalizing talent/skill-- would love to see him grow under Stevens, as he fits what we look for in a 4 to a tee.

ddb · Post #429 » by **ddb** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 7:19 pm

Murta wrote:I feel the need to post this stat in this thread:
Jabari Parker was 4/16 on 3PA in 25 games last season and he is shooting 0/1 in 10 games this season. Yet he was 38/108 in college and was praised for his shooting ability.

granted he was injured and is still very young, but I'm not impressed with Jabari at all. Might be a blessing that we missed on the opportunity to draft him. Wiggins looks legit. After that it's possible that we have the next best guy (Smart) moving forward.

I like Randle at #7. Capela is starting to come into his own and looks good. LaVine was a nice risky pick by Minny. Nurik showed a lot of promise last season in Denver. We don't know anything about how Saric or Embiid will do in the league yet. Aaron Gordon is eh...Donte Exum has shown flashes, and is now injured. Long story short, it's too early to tell, but I think Danny did fairly well with the Smart pick at #6. I don't think Marcus will ever be a big stats guy, but he looks like a real winner/difference maker.

ddb · Post #430 » by **ddb** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 7:23 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Celtsfan1980 wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Seriously, how difficult would it be to draft him with the idea of having him and Smart share backcourt duties in the future? Maybe a 3 guard lineup at times if you want RJ coming off the bench. Positionless basketball right?Eventually puts you in a position to move AB and IT later on to upgrade. Agan, just add another option to the million Danny will have going into next offseason.. Meanwhile I'm keeping an eye on this kid. Like his all-around game as much as if not more than Simmons.

Avery could be an all-star this year, but let's trade him.

Why don't we calm down just a tad on the "Avery an All-Star" rhetoric. Maybe let's let him I dunno, MAKE the All-Star team. Having said that. Avery is an asset. At what point in his career did he become untradeable? No I'll wait. If you have strength in your guardplay and can use AB to upgrade elsewhere why would you NOT do that.

it would be really dumb to trade a 25 year old averaging 16ppg on 42% 3pt shooting and 46% FG who also happens to be an excellent defender, and is on a team friendly contract. O, and he's actually a good person as well. The ONLY way I trade Avery is as a piece to a trade to acquire a Star. I pitched the idea of Bradley/Young and 2 1st for Beal this offseason, but that's probably a price that's too steep for Ainge to sacrifice.
I've always liked Bradley. His form on his shot was really good...he needed repetition and experience. now he's worked his way into an awesome NBA player. Would you rather have Bradley at 8 million per year, or Wes Matthews 17.5 million. hahahaha what a **** contract Dallas gave him

ddb · Post #431 » by **ddb** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 7:25 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:I figured out who Simmons reminds me of-- he's a 6'10 version of Rondo. He will be a triple double machine, but will struggle to hit more than 15-17 PPG in the pros. If you surround him with the right talent, and he'll look like Magic. If you expect him to be like LeBron on the Cavs (first go round, surrounded by less than stellar teammates), you will be disappointed.

He's a very interesting player with tantalizing talent/skill-- would love to see him grow under Stevens, as he fits what we look for in a 4 to a tee.

I absolutely love Ben Simmons and have for awhile now. I actually like the Rondo comp. And if you think about it, if Rondo was 6'10 he'd be a generational talent! Even without the shot. But imagine if Simmons improves his shot, which I think he will? Holy Sh&t! If he develops a respectable shot he's LeBron

24istheLAW · Post #432 » by **24istheLAW** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 7:38 pm

His shooting struggles remind me of Rajon. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread he isn't merely a bad shooter, he's a broken shooter like Rajon was. His guide hand is way too involved in his shot - like Rondo once was. His body torques all the way through his release. He lacks balance as a shooter like Rajon because every shot is a little different and he uses both hands. He needs the rebuild that Rondo never got/never attempted.

Like I said before I'm no shooting coach, but I suspect it can be hard for highly ambidextrous and coordinated players to shoot a basketball well because its a JUMP shot, not a THROW shot. Both players have a tremendous touch for making a basketball move the way they want it to, and you need them to step back and stop relying on their coordination at some point and just repeat the mechanics. You need to get them to not use their natural talent in a way.

Rajon relied on his coordination and natural skill at every level to get the right outcome, so he never learned the process. I see that in Simmons (who can be a great wing) as well. If we are fortunate enough to pick at the top of the draft and get him I think we will need to accept a year or two of him not shooting in games and focusing on a role while we try to build his shot like the Spurs have done with Kawhi.

ddb · Post #433 » by **ddb** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 11:45 pm

klemen4 wrote:Another guard great

He reminds me of Wade

good comp. as a ceiling of course. more then likely he doesn't approach Wade-like levels

Curmudgeon · Post #434 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 11:52 pm

24istheLAW wrote:His shooting struggles remind me of Rajon. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread he isn't merely a bad shooter, he's a broken shooter like Rajon was.

Not at the free throw line, where Simmons shoots nearly 80%.

DarkAzcura · Post #435 » by **DarkAzcura** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 11:58 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
24istheLAW wrote:His shooting struggles remind me of Rajon. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread he isn't merely a bad shooter, he's a broken shooter like Rajon was.

Not at the free throw line, where Simmons shoots nearly 80%.

He's dropped to 69%.

Curmudgeon · Post #436 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 12:16 am

DarkAzcura wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
24istheLAW wrote:His shooting struggles remind me of Rajon. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread he isn't merely a bad shooter, he's a broken shooter like Rajon was.

Not at the free throw line, where Simmons shoots nearly 80%.

He's dropped to 69%.

Small sample size. He was 77% in HS.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'm not convinced that his shot is broken like Rondo's.

DarkAzcura · Post #437 » by **DarkAzcura** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 12:17 am

Curmudgeon wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Not at the free throw line, where Simmons shoots nearly 80%.

He's dropped to 69%.

Small sample size. He was 77% in HS.

I'm not saying he's a good shooter, but I'm not convinced that his shot is broken like Rondo's.

I made the same arguments earlier in this thread, but I'm still going to be cautious. Can you source his FT% from high school? I heard it was in the 50-60% range.

Curmudgeon · Post #438 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 12:34 am

HS: 69% http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/

I was wrong about the 77%, not sure where I saw that number.

LSU: 69% so far http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ben-simmons-1.html

bucknersrevenge · Post #439 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 12:36 am

ddb wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Celtsfan1980 wrote:Avery could be an all-star this year, but let's trade him.

Why don't we calm down just a tad on the "Avery an All-Star" rhetoric. Maybe let's let him I dunno, MAKE the All-Star team. Having said that. Avery is an asset. At what point in his career did he become untradeable? No I'll wait. If you have strength in your guardplay and can use AB to upgrade elsewhere why would you NOT do that.

it would be really dumb to trade a 25 year old averaging 16ppg on 42% 3pt shooting and 46% FG who also happens to be an excellent defender, and is on a team friendly contract. O, and he's actually a good person as well. The ONLY way I trade Avery is as a piece to a trade to acquire a Star. I pitched the idea of Bradley/Young and 2 1st for Beal this offseason, but that's probably a price that's too steep for Ainge to sacrifice.
I've always liked Bradley. His form on his shot was really good...he needed repetition and experience. now he's worked his way into an awesome NBA player. Would you rather have Bradley at 8 million per year, or Wes Matthews 17.5 million. hahahaha what a **** contract Dallas gave him

Exactly.

That's all we're talking about here. Managing assets. That's all it is. This is not new news here. If we were to draft a guy like Kris Dunn who potentially could be an upgrade on a lower salary, if that puts us in a position to upgrade a frontcourt spot it would be foolish not consider it. That's all. Who knows if we end up with Dunn. Who knows if Dunn ends up being all that. But if we do, and he is, not sure what the problem is here.

brackdan70 · Post #440 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Dec 2, 2015 4:14 am

21 year old junior, 6'5" with a 6'10 wing span. 230 lbs, strong and fairly athletic. FG% 0.540, 3pt% 0.580, 17ppg, 3 assists, 3 boards and a steal per game. was highly touted as a freshman, considered a lottery pick potential out of high school, disappointed as a freshman and sophomore, but lighting it up now. Anybody still interested in this guy?