Sweater Vest Thread #9: Magic 110 - Celtics 91

[j-ragg]

Frankly I am spurred by the vote. Orlando did not need Oladipo's FTs to win (they would have won by ~15 instead of 20). The Boston guards had good games, so Oladipo's defense was not A+. In stark contrast, not only did Vučević had the best _+/- of the team, not only did he have the best FG% of the team, not only did he ave a double-double, he held Boston's Centers to horrible stat lines. That last is why Vučević got my vote.

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He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

[Optimus_Steel]

Frankly I am spurred by the vote. Orlando did not need Oladipo's FTs to win (they would have won by ~15 instead of 20). The Boston guards had good games, so Oladipo's defense was not A+. In stark contrast, not only did Vučević had the best _+/- of the team, not only did he have the best FG% of the team, not only did he ave a double-double, he held Boston's Centers to horrible stat lines. That last is why Vučević got my vote.

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He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

Vuc played well.

[JBSouthpaw]

last year, it took a great game by a player to get a win. Now, because more than 1 player has average games we are winning. During this 3 game streak, we've held teams 91,90,91. DEFENSE!

[Blue_and_Whte]

Frankly I am spurred by the vote. Orlando did not need Oladipo's FTs to win (they would have won by ~15 instead of 20). The Boston guards had good games, so Oladipo's defense was not A+. In stark contrast, not only did Vučević had the best _+/- of the team, not only did he have the best FG% of the team, not only did he ave a double-double, he held Boston's Centers to horrible stat lines. That last is why Vučević got my vote.

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He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

Huh? Vuc ate their lunch. I thought he played really well.

[OrlandO]

Frankly I am spurred by the vote. Orlando did not need Oladipo's FTs to win (they would have won by ~15 instead of 20). The Boston guards had good games, so Oladipo's defense was not A+. In stark contrast, not only did Vučević had the best _+/- of the team, not only did he have the best FG% of the team, not only did he ave a double-double, he held Boston's Centers to horrible stat lines. That last is why Vučević got my vote.

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He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

As if you'd ever give him credit for a good game.
He's had bad games, but this was not one of them... scored 14 pts in the paint and helped build leads every time he was in. It was too easy for him. He also limited Sullinger to 1/7 fg and his 10 boards helped us out-rebound Boston by 20, so quit your whining.

[j-ragg]

Frankly I am spurred by the vote. Orlando did not need Oladipo's FTs to win (they would have won by ~15 instead of 20). The Boston guards had good games, so Oladipo's defense was not A+. In stark contrast, not only did Vučević had the best _+/- of the team, not only did he have the best FG% of the team, not only did he ave a double-double, he held Boston's Centers to horrible stat lines. That last is why Vučević got my vote.

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He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

As if you'd ever give him credit for a good game.
He's had bad games, but this was not one of them... scored 14 pts in the paint and helped build leads every time he was in. It was too easy for him. He also limited Sullinger to 1/7 fg and his 10 boards helped us out-rebound Boston by 20, so quit your whining.

No one is whining... you Vuc supporters just look at stats and see a double double and think he does no wrong. That wasn't a very good game to me, all he did was take jumpers. He had two field goals in the paint I can remember (both nice moves). But I watched the game, he couldnt even back down Amir Johnson and certainly couldn't move Sullinger.

If 0 FTA and sub 50% shooting is your guys' idea of a great game I think you have low standards.

[OrlandoNed]

He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

As if you'd ever give him credit for a good game.
He's had bad games, but this was not one of them... scored 14 pts in the paint and helped build leads every time he was in. It was too easy for him. He also limited Sullinger to 1/7 fg and his 10 boards helped us out-rebound Boston by 20, so quit your whining.

No one is whining... you Vuc supporters just look at stats and see a double double and think he does no wrong. That wasn't a very good game to me, all he did was take jumpers. He had two field goals in the paint I can remember (both nice moves). But I watched the game, he couldnt even back down Amir Johnson and certainly couldn't move Sullinger.

If 0 FTA and sub 50% shooting is your guys' idea of a great game I think you have low standards.

Vuc did not take nothing but jumpers last night. He took 9 and made 3. 33% was just an off night, he normally makes that shot about 50% of the time. He still did work in the paint with 10 shots, making 6.

[OrlandO]

He scored 18 points on 19 shots, definitely didn't have the best FG%. Didn't even take one free throw. Continually got bodied and boxed out by Johnson and Sullinger. This was not a good game for him.

As if you'd ever give him credit for a good game.
He's had bad games, but this was not one of them... scored 14 pts in the paint and helped build leads every time he was in. It was too easy for him. He also limited Sullinger to 1/7 fg and his 10 boards helped us out-rebound Boston by 20, so quit your whining.

No one is whining... you Vuc supporters just look at stats and see a double double and think he does no wrong. That wasn't a very good game to me, all he did was take jumpers. He had two field goals in the paint I can remember (both nice moves). But I watched the game, he couldnt even back down Amir Johnson and certainly couldn't move Sullinger.

If 0 FTA and sub 50% shooting is your guys' idea of a great game I think you have low standards.

You "watched" the game, but can only remember 2 out of the 7 made field goals in the paint? Perfectly exemplifies why you are a hater. "Ignored it so doesn't count." You are only looking for reasons to rag on him. You don't want him to succeed, you want him to fail. I wouldn't care about criticism if you were fair to him. You are not.

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[drsd]

you Vuc supporters just look at stats and see a double double and think he does no wrong.

The question here is who gets the vest. Oladipo and Vučević both had warts to their games against Boston. My argument is that Orlando wins this even if Oladipo does not put up his stat line, and that the game is in question if Vučević does not put up his.

This is why my Vest-vote went to Vučević. And why I am surprised that a very pedestrian stat line from Oladipo leads him to run away with this poll. Frankly, stat-wise, Harris and Nicholson might deserve a vest over Oladipo in this one, as he shot 41%, had a TO and caused 4 fouls. Look at Nicholson as an example: he shot 66% for 14 points and had zero TOs and zero personal fouls, which went with a solid 8 rebounds.

Someone answer me this: why is Oladipo winning this poll so easily?


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[tooler]

I understand the point you're trying to make, and I recognize his FTAs were to close out the game and probably weren't necessary. On the other hand, aren't we looking for a closer?! I was worried enough with a 12 point lead and all those streaky gunners out there for Boston! I appreciated Oladipo's simple moves to draw fouls and keep the offense moving at the end of the game.

I thought he defended IT pretty well during a good stretch, though I can't remember exactly so I'm a terrible person. You can't ignore his 6 assists, and he was the only guard that played well. If none of our guards play well, that's usually a death sentence.

No one stood out so we're definitely grasping at straws. In voting systems like this, that doesn't necessarily mean the vote will be close.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Vuc had a good game. Vic dominated them off the bench. Celtics are all hype. Next.

[JBSouthpaw]

you Vuc supporters just look at stats and see a double double and think he does no wrong.

The question here is who gets the vest. Oladipo and Vučević both had warts to their games against Boston. My argument is that Orlando wins this even if Oladipo does not put up his stat line, and that the game is in question if Vučević does not put up his.

This is why my Vest-vote went to Vučević. And why I am surprised that a very pedestrian stat line from Oladipo leads him to run away with this poll. Frankly, stat-wise, Harris and Nicholson might deserve a vest over Oladipo in this one, as he shot 41%, had a TO and caused 4 fouls. Look at Nicholson as an example: he shot 66% for 14 points and had zero TOs and zero personal fouls, which went with a solid 8 rebounds.

Someone answer me this: why is Oladipo winning this poll so easily?


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I'll take a stab.

1st, not sure how you say VO stat line doesn't matter but Vuc's does? (this is in no way taking away from what Vuc did). who would have replaced these guys? Smith for Vuc, a hurt Evan or Mario for VO. You point to VO's 4 fouls and ignore that Vuc fouled out. Vuc also had 2 TOs to VO 1.
After a VUC tech foul & a made Bos basket, the lead is 12 with 4:28 left in the game. VO fouled, and he makes both. IF he didn't, Bos could have gotten it under 10.

I just went thru the play by play, and neither player actually had a super hot run. Both played pretty well in the 3rd while in together.
In review, you may be more right about AN, He was in during the bigger spurts.