Game 19: Phoenix Suns (8-10) @ Detroit Pistons (9-9)

Post #421 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:38 am

jeff2020 wrote:Last 2 nights were the first 2 full games I've been able to watch in about a week. I remember why I wasn't missing anything lol

You were missing out on the chance of developing an ulcer.

kennydorglas · Post #422 » by **kennydorglas** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:39 am

We were rolling them when Drummond was forced to guard a floor stretcher. Our lead vanished in the moment Jeff put Tucker back in and SvG made the move to put Drummond on him.

That's what happened tonight. SvG countered our move and Hornacek couldnt do nothing until was too late.
Playing b2b against a well coached team is tough, you dont have much room for errors.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #423 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:39 am

There's no standards in this organisation, I know McDonough has been involved in a championship and brought in Chandler for that mentality, but tonight you could see they couldn't influence anything from off-court.

MrTwister · Post #424 » by **MrTwister** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:39 am

Man that Bledsoe/Knight backcourt reminded me on glorious Monta/Jennings days in Milwaukee, i think nobody but them took shots in OT.They lost you guys this game by themselves, with their endless chucking.They totally made wrong decisions by going away from other shooters and straight up ignoring hot guys like Booker,Leuer and Teletovic(he hit that bailout 3 for Bledsoe though).

Saberestar · Post #425 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:39 am

With every game we play it's more and more clear that Hornaceck has failed. He doesn't have any confidence in Warren or Len...DO WE HAVE DURANT AND COUSINS STARTING FOR US??? Tucker is a good hustle player, but he doesn't need to play 30 minutes or more every single game, it's ridiculous when we have Warren on the bench. Hornacek destroys the confidence, Warren was playing his best basketball with 28 points on one of them and 15p / 11r on the next one and then....2 games with less than 20 minutes. And he played well those minutes.

Len yesterday played really well 14p 13r 3b...today he was playing great, but fouling....and he plays 15 minutes. 15 minutes! Where is his confidence now?? Yes, Len doesn't have that now.

Fire Hornacek, PLEASE.

Post #426 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:42 am

Glad to see Booker and Warren both get over 20 minutes, though they should have both gotten over 30.

Grots · Post #427 » by **Grots** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:42 am

Gorilla Warfare wrote:
Grots wrote:trade Kieff + whatever for Oubre, trade PJ, and tank for Ben Simmons

Oubre is better than Markieff...and better looking. They won't get of his baby face.

Even a pouty, no-trying Keef is better than Oubre right now. He's a super raw prospect.

The Wiz are desperate. They just lost to the Lakers, which is almost as embarrassing as what the Suns just did.

JMac1 · Post #428 » by **JMac1** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:43 am

Trying really hard not to wish bad on Hornacek...........just fire him already. Our team is better than 8-11.

RaisingArizona · Post #429 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:44 am

Step 1: Trade Kieff
Step 2: Trade Tucker
Step 3: Fire Jeff
Step 4: Profit

Mulhollanddrive · Post #430 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:45 am

Washington, Memphis, Chicago (away)
Orlando, Portland, Minnesota (home)
Dallas, GSW (away)

That takes us past December 15, record could dictate some moves by then.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #431 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:45 am

Washington, Memphis, Chicago (away)
Orlando, Portland, Minnesota (home)
Dallas, GSW (away)

That takes us past December 15, record could dictate some moves by then.

RaisingArizona · Post #432 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:56 am

What's worse: Our team or RealGM's servers?

Post #433 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:59 am

Grots wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:
Grots wrote:trade Kieff + whatever for Oubre, trade PJ, and tank for Ben Simmons

Oubre is better than Markieff...and better looking. They won't get of his baby face.

Even a pouty, no-trying Keef is better than Oubre right now. He's a super raw prospect.

The Wiz are desperate. They just lost to the Lakers, which is almost as embarrassing as what the Suns just did.

Strange after they just beat Cleveland IN Cleveland by 12. So of course they will be fired up and pissed and Gortat and Dudley will go a combined 40 and 20 and win at the buzzer.

Post #434 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:03 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Washington, Memphis, Chicago (away)
Orlando, Portland, Minnesota (home)
Dallas, GSW (away)

That takes us past December 15, record could dictate some moves by then.

I'm guessing we will be 11-16 by then and we HAVE to trade Markieff and Tucker. At this point if we could just get a decent 3 back. I'm fine with Telly starting and Leuer as backup 4 for the rest of the season.

Post #435 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:05 am

ginobiliflops wrote:What's worse: Our team or RealGM's servers?

The first two times I tried to And1 that I got something called an AJAX error.

Post #436 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:11 am

I agree. I think we need to cut our losses because right now Kieff is not adding any value to this team. I'm more than fine with moving Tucker too for someone younger.

Jdiddy701 · Post #437 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:14 am

Seems like Jeff is all in with leaving with his comments. "It's probably my fault.."

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Post #438 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:19 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I agree. I think we need to cut our losses because right now Kieff is not adding any value to this team. I'm more than fine with moving Tucker too for someone younger.

As good as Booker is already playing, and as good as Leuer and Telly are playing, hell, I don't care if we trade them for picks, even low ones. I'd hope for at least a late first for Kieff. I don't know what kind of value Tucker would have around the league. On a team full of offensive firepower, maybe someone would want him.

But I think since our two starting guards get as many minutes as they do, play start Warren at the 3. As a matter of fact, it might be better to start Booker at the 3, Telly at the 4 and Len, and just have all GREAT shooters in there, and then with TJ and Leuer coming in, they could both create enough offense.

Actually if we could somehow get some kind of PG for Kieff and/or Tucker, even a guy like TJ McConnell who may get squeezed out when Wroten returns (Isaiah Canaan already starting), I'd take it. McConnell, Warren and Leuer would be a decent bench.

Post #439 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:22 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Seems like Jeff is all in with leaving with his comments. "It's probably my fault.."
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Well at least he owns up to it. I mean there were some dumb moves, fouls and turnovers by our guys, and that halfcourt shot at halftime, but when you have a 16 point lead, there is no excuse.

Post #440 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:27 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I agree. I think we need to cut our losses because right now Kieff is not adding any value to this team. I'm more than fine with moving Tucker too for someone younger.

As good as Booker is already playing, and as good as Leuer and Telly are playing, hell, I don't care if we trade them for picks, even low ones. I'd hope for at least a late first for Kieff. I don't know what kind of value Tucker would have around the league. On a team full of offensive firepower, maybe someone would want him.

But I think since our two starting guards get as many minutes as they do, play start Warren at the 3. As a matter of fact, it might be better to start Booker at the 3, Telly at the 4 and Len, and just have all GREAT shooters in there, and then with TJ and Leuer coming in, they could both create enough offense.

Actually if we could somehow get some kind of PG for Kieff and/or Tucker, even a guy like TJ McConnell who may get squeezed out when Wroten returns (Isaiah Canaan already starting), I'd take it. McConnell, Warren and Leuer would be a decent bench.

I've always felt Tucker is a guy many contending teams want but not willing to give up much assets for. I think it's best to trade them separately. A late 1st might be possible for Kieff but I'm not sure we'll get much more for that. The market on him is super low right now and whoever trades for him will look like a genius if he starts playing even marginally better.

I love TJ off the bench. I think he's less reliant on plays to get him shots so that role would work well for him.

Didn't McConnell play on our summer league or was being scouted by us? He's been playing decent on a pretty shart-worthy Sixers team.