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Wo1verine wrote:polo007 wrote:Aintnohater wrote:also jus got a notification saying bluejays are going after Joakim soria.
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Seriously though, Joakim is projected to be one of the more expensive relief pitchers on the market.
The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
Cyrus wrote:The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
Probably some sort of wink wink deal that carried over from last year. He took just around 1 mill, even though he was projected to make 1.5-2.0 mill last year, but he took less for "more playing time" or something. This is probably the "payback" to the agent.... Other than that, no idea why we would almost pay him double of what he's projected to a position, we don't really need.
Santoki wrote:Cyrus wrote:The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
Probably some sort of wink wink deal that carried over from last year. He took just around 1 mill, even though he was projected to make 1.5-2.0 mill last year, but he took less for "more playing time" or something. This is probably the "payback" to the agent.... Other than that, no idea why we would almost pay him double of what he's projected to a position, we don't really need.
Because it was decided by the arbitration panel. This has nothing to do with wink wink business.
The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
Would the Toronto Blue Jays have signed David Price if Alex Anthopoulos were still making the team’s baseball decisions?
We can’t say it’s terribly likely, because it’s difficult to imagine the Jays matching Boston’s winning bid of $217 million over seven years.
But this much is known: Toronto would have offered Price a contract.
Sources say Anthopoulos began laying the groundwork to do so in August, before Mark Shapiro was named the team’s new president and CEO. Price, sources say, had genuine interest in returning to Toronto.
Ultimately, Anthopoulos rejected a five-year offer to remain the team’s general manager once it became clear he would no longer have the decision-making authority he enjoyed under former club president Paul Beeston.
Subsequently, Shapiro opted not to offer Price a contract. Shapiro determined that the team’s rotation dollars should be spread among multiple starters (Marco Estrada, J.A. Happ and Jesse Chavez) rather than a single ace. Price’s average annual value of $31 million is roughly equivalent to what Estrada, Happ and Chavez will earn in 2016.
Could the Blue Jays have afforded Price? Yes, in theory, they could have. But the Jays chose quantity over quality — and there’s an argument to be made that they were wise in doing so. Toronto ended the season with little rotation depth in the upper minor leagues, and Shapiro wanted to spread the health and performance risk among multiple starters.
Since about August, I think everyone connected with the Jays and those who followed the team closely knew that it was going to take seven years and somewhere in the neighbourhood of $210 million to get Price, that’s just a simple and undeniable fact.
Of course no one is “worth” that kind of money in any reasonable person’s mind but that’s what it cost to play in the upper echelon of baseball, pure and simple.
If you want someone to blame for this situation, if there has to be blame so everyone feels good about themselves, I think you can put it squarely on management and ownership.
Unless we hear Price say something akin to “Toronto made about the same offer but Boston was a better fit and where I wanted to go” I think it’s safe to assume the Rogers beancounters wouldn’t pay the freight and new GM Mark Shapiro wouldn’t go to the wall to keep one of the most dominant pitchers of the last few years.
And that’s their call, entirely.
They knew what the price was going to be in dollars and years and it certainly appears at first blush that they simply didn’t want to pay it.
It won’t sit well with fans, I don’t think, who saw the coffers swell unimaginably during the second half of last season and into the post-season.
But Rogers is in business to make money rather than run a baseball team and they – along with a newly-minted president who either didn’t want to or didn’t try to convince his bosses to make a splash, wouldn’t pay market value.
That’s their call -- I personally think it’s the wrong one – and I think that’s where any anger should be directed. Now, I don’t know if the Blue Jays had gone to Price and said “we’ll do seven years at $210 million and give us chance to think about matching a better offer if you get it” whether he would have come back but that doesn’t matter now.
Skin Blues wrote:Santoki wrote:Cyrus wrote:
Probably some sort of wink wink deal that carried over from last year. He took just around 1 mill, even though he was projected to make 1.5-2.0 mill last year, but he took less for "more playing time" or something. This is probably the "payback" to the agent.... Other than that, no idea why we would almost pay him double of what he's projected to a position, we don't really need.
Because it was decided by the arbitration panel. This has nothing to do with wink wink business.
This was a straight up one year contract offer, they didn't go through an arbitrator. It is double what his projected arbitration value was, which is very unusual.
Randle McMurphy wrote:The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
A dearth of LHBs on the roster and the other 1B on the roster being a guy with not much of a MLB track record (Colabello).
Xaos wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:The_Hater wrote:I don't understand paying $3.9 for smoak, a guy who didn't even start in the playoffs and plays a well covered position. That makes no sense. Spend that money on a another catcher or a bullpen arm. Or both.
A dearth of LHBs on the roster and the other 1B on the roster being a guy with not much of a MLB track record (Colabello).
Why not throw that money and some and go after Chris Davis? Last time I checked he was a lefty and he has a MLB track record.
(L) Ben Revere LF
(R) Josh Donaldson 3B
(R) Jose Bautista RF
(R) Edwin Encarnacion DH
(L) Chris Davis 1B
(R) Troy Tulowitzki SS
(R) Russell Martin C
(L) Devon Travis 2B
(R) Kevin Pillar CF
Deadly! We don't need an ace with this lineup.
Toronto likely needs to add at least one more reliable starting pitcher, a couple of relievers, a utility infielder and a backup catcher. Atkins also must deal with the fact several core members of his roster -- Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion and Brett Cecil, among others -- are set to become free agents at the end of 2016.
Atkins will have to balance that while at the same time overhauling a Minor League system to replace a lot of the talent that has disappeared in recent years. Toronto traded away a lot of its top prospects to facilitate a large number of moves, and the upper levels of the Minors are relatively bare.