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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#881 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Dec 4, 2015 4:03 pm

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TinmanZBoy wrote:there is this question always in my mind
why did not Lin get a MLE deal with the hornets this summer...
if coach clifford, cho really wanted lin, why could not they offer Lin a MLE? tbh, the fact that Lin could not net a MLE contract annoyed me big time, for his own sake, it is a little insulting...


Lin was in a hard spot when the DeAndre Jotdan deal with Mavs fell apart. He expected to go to Dallas it seemed like - from Woj and other reports the Mavs were going after him to run PNR with DeAndre. He has said something like God left one door obviously open for him. And that it was Charlotte.

Charlotte knew probably - because it was so late in free agency when they reached deal with him that Lin would have limited options by then. yeah Cho played hardball with him. But it was business.

//

One thing ... if Lin was going to make a career of moving around the league at least he has played for teams that have been very fun to watch - and underdogs who unexpectedly made the playoffs.

With the exception of Laker, of course. and the Warriors who I don't really count because he was such a different player then.

Farking DAJ...... :-?
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#882 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri Dec 4, 2015 4:23 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:You can't make this **** up: "Charlotte Hornets and Steve Clifford screwing Jeremy Lin"

http://sportige.com/88239-charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lin-getting-screwed-by-steve-clifford-1544/

If you don't want to contribute a click to this drivel, the basic gist is that - as the title says - Jeremy is getting the shaft whether he's healthy or not.

If he's healthy, then Lin was being "screwed" by Clifford by not playing him enough minutes vs. Golden State, especially in light of Brian Roberts getting more minutes than Lin.

If he's injured, then Lin is being "screwed" by Clifford's insistence to play him at all and risking his long term health. I...

Sorry Cliff, you just can't win here.

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:lol: you got trolled, the guy had done this for years since Lin's Rockets days, He would write every article like that... just ignore him in the future...
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#883 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri Dec 4, 2015 4:26 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
steady wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:there is this question always in my mind
why did not Lin get a MLE deal with the hornets this summer...
if coach clifford, cho really wanted lin, why could not they offer Lin a MLE? tbh, the fact that Lin could not net a MLE contract annoyed me big time, for his own sake, it is a little insulting...


Lin was in a hard spot when the DeAndre Jotdan deal with Mavs fell apart. He expected to go to Dallas it seemed like - from Woj and other reports the Mavs were going after him to run PNR with DeAndre. He has said something like God left one door obviously open for him. And that it was Charlotte.

Charlotte knew probably - because it was so late in free agency when they reached deal with him that Lin would have limited options by then. yeah Cho played hardball with him. But it was business.

//

One thing ... if Lin was going to make a career of moving around the league at least he has played for teams that have been very fun to watch - and underdogs who unexpectedly made the playoffs.

With the exception of Laker, of course. and the Warriors who I don't really count because he was such a different player then.

Farking DAJ...... :-?


my feeling is even DAJ stayed in Dallas, lin signing with them would not be a sure thing... Lin signing was actually pretty early in free agency, i guess he would not want to wait which is understandable..
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#884 » by bws94 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:16 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:You can't make this **** up: "Charlotte Hornets and Steve Clifford screwing Jeremy Lin"

http://sportige.com/88239-charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lin-getting-screwed-by-steve-clifford-1544/

If you don't want to contribute a click to this drivel, the basic gist is that - as the title says - Jeremy is getting the shaft whether he's healthy or not.

If he's healthy, then Lin was being "screwed" by Clifford by not playing him enough minutes vs. Golden State, especially in light of Brian Roberts getting more minutes than Lin.

If he's injured, then Lin is being "screwed" by Clifford's insistence to play him at all and risking his long term health. I...

Sorry Cliff, you just can't win here.

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:lol: you got trolled, the guy had done this for years since Lin's Rockets days, He would write every article like that... just ignore him in the future...



Check Chris Baldwin too. Same thing. Way too Lin-centric for a wider perspective.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#885 » by 13th Man » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:48 pm

bws94 wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:You can't make this **** up: "Charlotte Hornets and Steve Clifford screwing Jeremy Lin"

http://sportige.com/88239-charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lin-getting-screwed-by-steve-clifford-1544/

If you don't want to contribute a click to this drivel, the basic gist is that - as the title says - Jeremy is getting the shaft whether he's healthy or not.

If he's healthy, then Lin was being "screwed" by Clifford by not playing him enough minutes vs. Golden State, especially in light of Brian Roberts getting more minutes than Lin.

If he's injured, then Lin is being "screwed" by Clifford's insistence to play him at all and risking his long term health. I...

Sorry Cliff, you just can't win here.

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:lol: you got trolled, the guy had done this for years since Lin's Rockets days, He would write every article like that... just ignore him in the future...



Check Chris Baldwin too. Same thing. Way too Lin-centric for a wider perspective.


Yep, these hack writers are writing outlandish articles for hits.
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Post#886 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Dec 4, 2015 7:51 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:You can't make this **** up: "Charlotte Hornets and Steve Clifford screwing Jeremy Lin"

http://sportige.com/88239-charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lin-getting-screwed-by-steve-clifford-1544/

If you don't want to contribute a click to this drivel, the basic gist is that - as the title says - Jeremy is getting the shaft whether he's healthy or not.

If he's healthy, then Lin was being "screwed" by Clifford by not playing him enough minutes vs. Golden State, especially in light of Brian Roberts getting more minutes than Lin.

If he's injured, then Lin is being "screwed" by Clifford's insistence to play him at all and risking his long term health. I...

Sorry Cliff, you just can't win here.

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you got trolled, the guy had done this for years since Lin's Rockets days, He would write every article like that... just ignore him in the future...

Found it on twitter being discussed by a couple Lin fans. Really have no idea of the writer.

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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#887 » by gafun » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:05 pm

Kemba Walker's Effect on Jeremy Lin -
Lin with Walker: 3-for-9 (33.3%) on FG from 3-to-16 feet
Lin without Walker: 13-for-20 (65.0%) on FG from 3-to-16 feet

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/04/charlotte-hornets-kemba-walkers-effect-on-jeremy-lin/

Kemba is comfortable playing with AL. When Kemba shares the court with Lin, Lin seems much less effective. I think Clifford should keep BF1 intact, or let Lin play PG when he plays with Kemba. It might make both of them more effective.
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Post#888 » by 13th Man » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:12 pm

gafun wrote:Kemba Walker's Effect on Jeremy Lin -
Lin with Walker: 3-for-9 (33.3%) on FG from 3-to-16 feet
Lin without Walker: 13-for-20 (65.0%) on FG from 3-to-16 feet

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/04/charlotte-hornets-kemba-walkers-effect-on-jeremy-lin/

Kemba is comfortable playing with AL. When Kemba shares the court with Lin, Lin seems much less effective. I think Clifford should keep BF1 intact, or let Lin play PG when he plays with Kemba. It might make both of them more effective.


Or have Lin sub in at the same time as Lamb. So Kemba goes from 34 mins to 30, big deal. The team could possibly become more effective and efficient. Not that I think this would happen anytime soon or at all but I think it'd be worth a try.
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Post#889 » by bws94 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:32 pm

If Kemba goes colder and Lin heats up, Lin may just play through all of the 2nd and 4th. But him coming in earlier, I'm not sure. Clifford is pretty consistent in keeping Lin in that 2 or under in the 1st and 3rd quarter rotation. Lamb he's inching in earlier.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#890 » by steady » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:59 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
steady wrote:
Lin was in a hard spot when the DeAndre Jotdan deal with Mavs fell apart. He expected to go to Dallas it seemed like - from Woj and other reports the Mavs were going after him to run PNR with DeAndre. He has said something like God left one door obviously open for him. And that it was Charlotte.

Charlotte knew probably - because it was so late in free agency when they reached deal with him that Lin would have limited options by then. yeah Cho played hardball with him. But it was business.

//

One thing ... if Lin was going to make a career of moving around the league at least he has played for teams that have been very fun to watch - and underdogs who unexpectedly made the playoffs.

With the exception of Laker, of course. and the Warriors who I don't really count because he was such a different player then.

Farking DAJ...... :-?


my feeling is even DAJ stayed in Dallas, lin signing with them would not be a sure thing... Lin signing was actually pretty early in free agency, i guess he would not want to wait which is understandable..


I guess it depends on how you define early. Free agency started on midnight June 30 - that is, that is when teams could start talking to players.

Lin signed with Hornets on Thursday, July 9. By that point, most free agency decisions had been made.

July 8 was when the Clippers descended on DeAndre's house to make sure he signed with Clippers on midnight that night - the start of when players could begin signing contracts in free agency.

July 5 was when Woj reported that the Mavs were trying to sign Lin - and were exploring sign and trade options with the Lakers so they could pay him more. July 7 I think was when rumors that DeAndre might be starting to rethink his decision to join Mavs began to be floated.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--mavericks-discussing-sign-and-trade-options-for-jeremy-lin-with-lakers-233321414.html
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#891 » by ohhi » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:14 pm

I think we're witnessing the downside to Jeremy Lin's offseason strategy. He decided he'd sign a one year deal at a discount to back up a bottom tier starter at his position and hopefully earn enough minutes (or potentially steal the starting spot by the end of the year) to fully showcase his abilities and raise his stats in a year where the cap is rising more than it ever has in NBA history. Essentially he gambled on himself to be able to increase his stock this season playing under a coach that can maximize his skill set for the first time in years.

The problem is his interests don't align with the teams interests since Clifford signed his extension. Clifford will be with the Hornets for the foreseeable future so he has to give minutes to the players under contract for a long time as well. Unless Lin starts substantially outperforming Kemba, which seems unlikely since they were equals by just about every metric coming into this season, he will have a 9ppg 19mpg season.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#892 » by Vae Victus » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:14 pm

The biggest shame about all of this is that a lot of people, other than the hardcore ultra Linfanatics, just don't care anymore. Lin had his short burst of fame and he couldn't fully capitalize on it. Despite getting better as a player he's becoming more and more marginalized and its looking like he's going straight to journeyman of the likes of Steve Blake and Ramon Sessions. Good solid long respected careers, but nobodies in the end, not something many thought after the way Lin burst onto the scene.

Whether he plays well or not, it really doesn't matter anymore, he's now a bonifide bench player as that's what he's limited himself to and now meekly accepting. If he had any fire in his belly honestly he woulda shown it last year, the way he's just going through the motions this year as his role keeps trending downward just shows he's not the fighter we thought he was. You know, the scrawny ABC who said FU to all the haters and balled out until he finally blew up, now he's just acting like some random fringe NBA player playing scared as if he'll get cut after any mistake.

He's on a 1 year deal being paid crap, hell Roberts and many other 3rd string guards are getting paid more than him. Lin and his agent stupidly thought he could just "show" what he's worth and "earn" more PT. In all professional leagues its all about getting paid and how much you're getting paid is the level of respect you're gonna get. Kemba can go into career worst mode but he'll still get the lion's share of the PT and EVERY chance to turn it around, cuz he's getting paid 12 mil a year for awhile. A team cant marginalize a long term big money piece on the team without suffering consequences like that player getting butthurt and sulking destroying their trade value (the extreme example is Kobe, and boy oh boy has he wrecked my team with his selfishness). THAT's Kemba's power as he can legitimately threaten the team, but he'll still get paid, and he better get the mins he wants OR ELSE. Now of course Kemba seems to be a high character guy and when Lin came on board he rightly took it in as a threat and managed to MASSIVELY up his game to all his credit, nonetheless even if Kemba didn't up his game the FO/coach still couldn't risk pissing him off for a 1 year scrub paid FA in Lin.

Al Jeff was treated with kid gloves last year for obvious reasons, but this year they don't terribly mind marginalizing him as they realize he's not signed past this season and they already in theory drafted his replacement in Kamisky. See Lin's treatment last year on the Lakers, it was almost sad to say but he was prolly the best player on the team until Clarkson's emergence and Scott rightly tried his best to bench him to not win games for the tank and more importantly not piss off Kobe who doesn't like it when others take his shine. Lin was paid ALOT of money last year to the tune of 15 mil, but they treated him like utter crap benching him for the likes of Ronnie Price of all people using the flimsiest of excuses, honestly the D you see today is pretty much what he was doing last year except he had to guard Kobe's guy too and the bigs were even more useless in helping/protecting the paint.

Honestly sucks to be Lin, hopefully he plays better, but id not surprised if his pansy ass just decides to lie down and be all "team" player and let everyone walk all over him.
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Post#893 » by bws94 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:47 pm

^You sound angry at Lin. And what you say sounds premature.
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Post#894 » by tonman » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:04 pm

ohhi wrote:I think we're witnessing the downside to Jeremy Lin's offseason strategy. He decided he'd sign a one year deal at a discount to back up a bottom tier starter at his position and hopefully earn enough minutes (or potentially steal the starting spot by the end of the year) to fully showcase his abilities and raise his stats in a year where the cap is rising more than it ever has in NBA history. Essentially he gambled on himself to be able to increase his stock this season playing under a coach that can maximize his skill set for the first time in years.

The problem is his interests don't align with the teams interests since Clifford signed his extension. Clifford will be with the Hornets for the foreseeable future so he has to give minutes to the players under contract for a long time as well. Unless Lin starts substantially outperforming Kemba, which seems unlikely since they were equals by just about every metric coming into this season, he will have a 9ppg 19mpg season.


Batum will be a free agent.
Marvin will be a free agent.
Al will be a free agent.
Roberts will be a free agent.
Hairston will be a free agent.

Lin has a "longer" contract than any of these players being a players option with the 2nd year.

You meant that Lin might not be in the long term plans for the Hornets and I think that is the stupidest notion out there considering we still haven't decided whether Kemba is the long term plan despite 3 more years. Last year we were lucky Mo Williams was on the team and what was our record?
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Post#895 » by bws94 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:16 pm

The Clifford/Lamb have signed contracts therefore affecting how Lin is used is a common theme for some Lin fans. I don't agree with it.
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Post#896 » by ohhi » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:36 pm

bws94 wrote:The Clifford/Lamb have signed contracts therefore affecting how Lin is used is a common theme for some Lin fans. I don't agree with it.


I'm far from a Lin fan that is coming up with conspiracy theories. I just think it's a no brainier if you have two nearly identical players from a skill perspective to play the guy with the many years left on a big contract more minutes and try to increase his value and confidence. Just makes sense from an asset management perspective. If Cliff only had one year left his objective is simply to maximize his win % and would be more likely to play the hot hand in different situations.
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Post#897 » by Braggins » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:37 pm

Seriously guys, relax lol. Lin has been playing through injuries and illness. Everyone including Clifford wants to get more out of Lin. Al is injured now which means more scoring opportunities for everyone including Lin. I fully expect that if Lin is healthy he'll average at least 25mpg while Al is out. I actually kind of expect him to average that for the rest of the season but it is hard to say.
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Post#898 » by 13th Man » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:18 pm

ohhi wrote:I think we're witnessing the downside to Jeremy Lin's offseason strategy. He decided he'd sign a one year deal at a discount to back up a bottom tier starter at his position and hopefully earn enough minutes (or potentially steal the starting spot by the end of the year) to fully showcase his abilities and raise his stats in a year where the cap is rising more than it ever has in NBA history. Essentially he gambled on himself to be able to increase his stock this season playing under a coach that can maximize his skill set for the first time in years.

The problem is his interests don't align with the teams interests since Clifford signed his extension. Clifford will be with the Hornets for the foreseeable future so he has to give minutes to the players under contract for a long time as well. Unless Lin starts substantially outperforming Kemba, which seems unlikely since they were equals by just about every metric coming into this season, he will have a 9ppg 19mpg season.


One of the basic principles in sales and marketing is to never devalue your worth unless absolutely necessary. Lin took a gamble but I think it was also a statement due to frustration from previous years, not being on the same page with the coaches.

It's still early so we'll see how the rest of the season pans out. All he can do is try to play to his potential to help the team win.
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Post#899 » by tonman » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:42 pm

13th Man wrote:
ohhi wrote:I think we're witnessing the downside to Jeremy Lin's offseason strategy. He decided he'd sign a one year deal at a discount to back up a bottom tier starter at his position and hopefully earn enough minutes (or potentially steal the starting spot by the end of the year) to fully showcase his abilities and raise his stats in a year where the cap is rising more than it ever has in NBA history. Essentially he gambled on himself to be able to increase his stock this season playing under a coach that can maximize his skill set for the first time in years.

The problem is his interests don't align with the teams interests since Clifford signed his extension. Clifford will be with the Hornets for the foreseeable future so he has to give minutes to the players under contract for a long time as well. Unless Lin starts substantially outperforming Kemba, which seems unlikely since they were equals by just about every metric coming into this season, he will have a 9ppg 19mpg season.


One of the basic principles in sales and marketing is to never devalue your worth unless absolutely necessary. Lin took a gamble but I think it was also a statement due to frustration from previous years, not being on the same page with the coaches.

It's still early so we'll see how the rest of the season pans out. All he can do is try to play to his potential to help the team win.


so David West devalued himself?
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Post#900 » by HornetJail » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:49 pm

tonman wrote:so David West devalued himself?

this is probably his last season. for a guy who's already made $90 million in his career, I guess he just felt like he had enough money and wanted to win a ring. Lin isn't exactly at that stage where he can afford to de-value his worth yet.
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