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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#601 » by Dcebucks11 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:18 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:He's shooting 75% from the line - that's a lot better than Griffin did at Oklahoma, Odom at Rhode Island, Green at MSU, and on par with AD at UK or Bosh at GT.


Free throws haven't been a problem, the problem is that he hasn't made one jumper this season yet I think..
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#602 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:11 pm

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Slartibartfast wrote:He's shooting 75% from the line - that's a lot better than Griffin did at Oklahoma, Odom at Rhode Island, Green at MSU, and on par with AD at UK or Bosh at GT.


Free throws haven't been a problem, the problem is that he hasn't made one jumper this season yet I think..


Anyone know whats up with ESPN saying he went 1/2 from 3 point against Charleston?
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#603 » by Dcebucks11 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:34 pm

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Slartibartfast wrote:He's shooting 75% from the line - that's a lot better than Griffin did at Oklahoma, Odom at Rhode Island, Green at MSU, and on par with AD at UK or Bosh at GT.


Free throws haven't been a problem, the problem is that he hasn't made one jumper this season yet I think..


Anyone know whats up with ESPN saying he went 1/2 from 3 point against Charleston?


I guess he did make a jumper, I didn't watch that game.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#604 » by Jables » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:34 pm

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Dcebucks11 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:He's shooting 75% from the line - that's a lot better than Griffin did at Oklahoma, Odom at Rhode Island, Green at MSU, and on par with AD at UK or Bosh at GT.


Free throws haven't been a problem, the problem is that he hasn't made one jumper this season yet I think..


Anyone know whats up with ESPN saying he went 1/2 from 3 point against Charleston?

He made a three in the first few seconds of the game, then on the next shot airballed it and had his worst game finishing wise, definitely a mental thing. His mechanics looked below average but hardly MKG like.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#605 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:35 pm

Dcebucks11 wrote:
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Dcebucks11 wrote:
Free throws haven't been a problem, the problem is that he hasn't made one jumper this season yet I think..


Anyone know whats up with ESPN saying he went 1/2 from 3 point against Charleston?


I guess he did make a jumper, I didn't watch that game.


Ya he made a 3 in that game
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#606 » by The Prodigy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:41 pm

For all the talk about Simmons' ambidexterity, has he even scored with his left hand yet?
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Post#607 » by immortalone23 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:41 pm

The Prodigy wrote:For all the talk about Simmons' ambidexterity, has he even scored with his left hand yet?

He said he's noticed that scoring with his right seems to draw more fouls.
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Post#608 » by The Prodigy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 11:24 pm

immortalone23 wrote:
The Prodigy wrote:For all the talk about Simmons' ambidexterity, has he even scored with his left hand yet?

He said he's noticed that scoring with his right seems to draw more fouls.


I've heard that before and don't buy it. I'd like to see him use his left more, other than when shooting a jumper that is.
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Post#609 » by splendidham » Sun Dec 6, 2015 12:46 am

YouTube him? There are plenty of vids show him dunking with either hand in game


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Post#610 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sun Dec 6, 2015 1:54 am

I said Grant Hill earlier but more n more he looks like Odom with better ballhandling and passing skills. That's not a knock because Odom was expected to be a much better player than he was and anyone at PF that can do what Simmons does should do well in today's NBA. But LeBron lite he is not. LeBron was superior in every way...especially athletically.
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Post#611 » by Spens1 » Sun Dec 6, 2015 12:19 pm

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Paired with Brett Brown... gonna be great, Simmons!


don't you dare take him and put him in your mediocre organisation, mind you he could ruin your tank next season


Not tanking next year! 2016 has always been our target year. And after this week, you cannot call us mediocre! :P

Plus if we get your pick, I'm pretty sure our lineup has more potential than yours.


in all honesty your lineup already does, unfortunately its mostly in the front court (seriously, why did you guys deal MCW)
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Post#612 » by The Prodigy » Sun Dec 6, 2015 4:04 pm

splendidham wrote:YouTube him? There are plenty of vids show him dunking with either hand in game


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OK I saw a video where he dunked with his left once in middle school. I've been proven wrong.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#613 » by EddieJonesFan » Sun Dec 6, 2015 10:04 pm

Yeah, nothing wrong with the Odom comparisons, although Odom did have a better jump shot out of college, so he played more of a perimeter game, but Simmons has a more developed frame.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#614 » by splendidham » Mon Dec 7, 2015 12:08 am

The Prodigy wrote:
splendidham wrote:YouTube him? There are plenty of vids show him dunking with either hand in game


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OK I saw a video where he dunked with his left once in middle school. I've been proven wrong.


Guess he can't do it then since you only saw it once


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Post#615 » by Renegade_H » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:31 pm

Spens1 wrote:
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don't you dare take him and put him in your mediocre organisation, mind you he could ruin your tank next season


Not tanking next year! 2016 has always been our target year. And after this week, you cannot call us mediocre! :P

Plus if we get your pick, I'm pretty sure our lineup has more potential than yours.


in all honesty your lineup already does, unfortunately its mostly in the front court (seriously, why did you guys deal MCW)


MCW could not shoot. In our lineup, we need a PG who can actually be a threat to hit the 3 consistently. That way it gives Okafor and Noel space down below and double teams are not as frequent.

Plus MCW was not on board with the tank. He wasn't a team guy. Noel kinda alluded to that.
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Post#616 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Mon Dec 7, 2015 3:31 pm

One thing that further stands out to me about Simmons is how vocal he is on the court. Always talking to his teammates, telling them where to go. I love that he just takes on that responsibility like its completely natural for him. Yeah, dude has skills galore, but its always the mental part of the game that separates the greats.
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Post#617 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 7, 2015 9:15 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:but its always the mental part of the game that separates the greats.


Might be my favorite part of his game. Calling defensive reads and telling teammates where to pass the ball, where to cut, gives them confidence to take their shots, and even during plays where the timing is off he pulls that player in to better get on the same page with them. I think before the year is over he'll have them working as well together as possible. Whether that means they have enough talent to do something special is yet to be seen. It does look like Ben will have them as well tied offensively as possible though before March comes around.

As much as I loathe his low hands on defense I do like the way he reads and disrupts movement during sets. You'll see him do something as small as recognize a set, see the cutter, and slide in the way to bump that cutter before getting back to his man just to disrupt the timing of the play. You don't get that level of awareness from kids his age. Most of the time you find kids just reacting because of what occurred not reading whats coming and reacting to that.

The IQ he's shown I think speaks to his day one impact potential in the league and I think its a HUGE reason why scouts and coaches in the league are so enamored with him. Every year there are a few genetic lottery winners in the draft. Rarely do you find one with an IQ this high. He'll need less teaching which leaves time for more skill development and should allow him to catch up to the game whilst giving whatever coach he lands with the comfort level to put Ben in the position to play his game.
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#618 » by Spens1 » Tue Dec 8, 2015 2:25 am

Renegade_H wrote:
Spens1 wrote:
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Not tanking next year! 2016 has always been our target year. And after this week, you cannot call us mediocre! :P

Plus if we get your pick, I'm pretty sure our lineup has more potential than yours.


in all honesty your lineup already does, unfortunately its mostly in the front court (seriously, why did you guys deal MCW)


MCW could not shoot. In our lineup, we need a PG who can actually be a threat to hit the 3 consistently. That way it gives Okafor and Noel space down below and double teams are not as frequent.

Plus MCW was not on board with the tank. He wasn't a team guy. Noel kinda alluded to that.


Fair enough then i guess. Its just that Wroten isn't any better really
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Re: Ben Simmons 

Post#619 » by dballislife » Tue Dec 8, 2015 3:51 am

lebron with less guard skills and more big man skills...or blake with more wing skills...either way, he looks special
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Post#620 » by Undefeated » Tue Dec 8, 2015 4:19 am

So I'm going through film and one thing I'm noticing is that most of Ben's assists are being generated in transition. Not saying that he isn't a skilled passer, but it's completely different creating in the half-court which requires a different kind vision to see the weak-side defense when most defensive principles are taught to the help defender to load up on the help-side line and with defenses sagging off of him he's having difficulties really creating for shooters (doesn't help that LSU is missing Hornsby).

Also, Jones has LSU running a lot of Elbow sets (more popular terminology might be Horns) and it's really strange he hasn't put Ben in ball-screen actions at the elbow to combat defenses going under against him like the Zags occasionally do with Sabonis:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy97epowFtY[/youtube]

Instead LSU runs a lot of UCLA action into a rip screen to get Ben into the post which I don't really think is a strength of his currently although he's made some nice reads against the double.

Another thing is that with Ben playing a lot of PF it's going to help him know the P/R coverages in the NBA. With more SFs being shifted into playing PF in small-ball line-ups to help with spacing, most of those guys really struggle to defend the P/R as the screener's defender because they have never been put in that position to call the proper coverage and be in proper defensive stance to contain the ball as the guard tries to recovers. That's what separates an elite defender like Kawhi because he understands how to defend as the screen defender in those situations whether that's hard hedging in high ball-screen actions or sagging off into the wing area against SPNR actions when the guards plays "ICE/Down" defense. I think this is what could make really Ben special as a defensive player in this department with his size and lateral quickness.
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